Should Alberto Gonzales be fired?

[Slobrain]

Well listening to CNN today they are really slamming little Alberto G. for the firing of 8 federal prosecutors.

Sources say though the firing was the doing of none other than Mr. Carl Rove. Devil in disguise?

Reason for the firing was poor job performance but sources said that it was really the doing from Rove because these prosecutors were not being hard on the Democrats and this was in bad interest for the Republican Party.

Sounds like dirty pool to me, just my opinion. Don't get upset Casy73

OK ampagers, Lets here your thoughts ;)

Roving reporter slobrain :cool:

[TD_Madden]

actually, it's pretty common for prosecutors to be replaced, they are political appointees after all....however, it was unfair to say that it was for poor performance.

[oldtone]

There are 93 U.S. Attorneys in the country. In 1993 Pres. Clinton fired all of them. Senator Bill Bradley intervened on behalf of one of them and saved his job. That man was Tom Chertoff, current Homeland Security head. These attorneys serve at the "pleasure" of the President and can be fired for no reason. There was no Congressional inquiry when Clinton axed the 92.

[TD_Madden]

yeah, I read that yesterday, but had already forgotten the details....thanks.

[TD_Madden]

of course, the historical information regarding the previous firings was conveniently left out of CNN's reporting...without that I'd guess most folks would think they were elected officials.

[oldtone]

My apologies to Mr. Chertoff, his name is Michael, not Tom!

[spiffpeters]

Another point of fact that some are leaving out is that traditionally, when a president from the opposing party comes into the WH, the US attorneys usually tender their resignations.

Nixon 'fired' them. Carter 'fired' them. Reagan 'fired' them. Clinton 'fired' them. Bush 'fired' them. And fired some more.

The question of significance is what was the motivation behind the firings. We have heard a number of reasons and several conflicting historical accountings of the genesis of this purge.

Is is it difficult to be forthcoming with the truth? It makes one wonder why there are so many conflicting reasons floating about. And Rove can stand up there at the lectern and keep a straight face while lecturing about how the dem's are making this into something political. Am I the only one the irony of this is not lost on?

[Slobrain]

Spiff, The only thing I can think to say is (Most Americans are idiots) why do I say this? Because who the American public vote these assholes into office without doing any background research on the candidates. Oh, gee he looks like a nice guy, I'll vote for him. I bet folks thought that about Hitler too :eek:

I mean just read here at Ampage and you have jerks defending Bush and saying what a wonderful pres he is :mad:

As far a Carl Rove is concerned, he needs to be put on trail for all the crap he has done within the current PIP (Too much to even list). Bush needs to be impeached, no doubt about it.

The problem is these folks committing these crimes within the political system make big news for a few days, then it all blows over and nothing is really ever done to them. Just look at Mark Folley, Seen him on TV riding his bike...
Just goes to show that our current political and judicial system SUCKS BIG TIME.

A fellow goes to prison for having marijuana on him but the politicians commit crimes against American public and nothing done?

Like John Stossell says (Give me a break)!

[TD_Madden]

I'd say that having political views that don't mesh with yours doesn't make someone a jerk.

Namecalling doesn't get folks to agree with you, Slo.

[Slobrain]

Hey TD,
Sorry if I offended any one with my comment but I get pissed sometimes about all the stupid crap that’s been going on in the country the past few years so sometimes I get on a roll and say a little too much on my mind.

Yes, every one does have a right to their political choice. I have a few friends that voted for bush and you know what they say now? Damn, why the hell did I vote for that jerk ;)

Face it, there are a fair amount of folks here in the USA that are just plain stupid. Why do you think we have crappy politicians in office :confused:

no-one takes time to find out the views and background of people running for president. I heard a lady say the other day that she wanted to vote for Edwards as he "looked" like a good candidate....Grrrrrrr, thats what I mean about stupid or as Carlos Mencia says "deedeedeeee"

Politicians are like a box o chocolates, ya never know whatcha gonna get, we got a dud this time :eek:

My view

SLO

[TD_Madden]

fair enough, man.

[spiffpeters]

I agree with you TD that name calling is counter-productive.

There exists a portion of our society that will staunchly and blindly support whatever party is in power. Both major parties have supporters that fall into this categorization.

Fortunately, though these individuals comprise a significant percentage, they are still a minority.

I think that persons of differing but moderate political persusasions actually have a larger area of common ground, or area's of agreement than disagreement.

My observation of politics, not government, is that the differences that exist within our society are accentuated, exagerated and exploited for purely political advantages. Politics over that past twenty years or so have become very poisonious, vitriolic and angry.

There's alot of anger in the electorate these days, and the pundits in print, radio and TV are merely players in the political strategists game plan.

Few issues facing this nation or the world at this time are as simple, black and white, as the pundits proclaim. The average person has not the time nor inclination to do the research in order to establish a fundemental understanding of many of these problems. Pundits are able to distill complex problems, extract the elements that can be presented as black or white, and dispose of the elements that do not add clarity to their argument.

In essence, dumb down the argument to a 5 second sound bite.

As for name calling, there are a number of personalities in the public domain that have made very lucrative careers out of name calling.

[Slobrain]

I wanted to apologize to you all for the (Idiot remark) I made about people voting without looking at the views of the folks running for office.

My wife read the posts and in her words said (my real name inserted, you put your foot in your mouth again :( ) I guess I get real pissed sometimes when I hear how people judge whom they vote for. I always felt you need to know the background of the politician you cast a vote for and not, oh he "looks" like a good candidate.

It doesn't always mean the person voted in will do what they say they will, we see that alot these days too but name calling is not counter productive and I shouldn't have done it. Doing so shows stupidity on my part so I can include myself as an idiot too sometimes... :eek:

Anyway, so sorry, didn't mean to piss anyone off or offend any body as I do value all the thoughts put into these messages you all post here.

SLO

[spiffpeters]

Anyway, back to the OP.

Not only should Gonzales be fired, but he should also be disbarred.

Attorney's, and especially the AG, are held to a higher, ethical AND professional standard of truth. When Gonzales conducts news conferences in his capacity as AG, he is not only obligated to speak truthfully, but professional standards require him to do so.

When a lawyer is prosecuting or defending a case in court, he is not under oath. He is however, under the rules and regulations of the bar, obligated to be truthful and not lie or be misleading.

Whether Gonzales lied or not (so far we have statements from a witness under oath to congress stating Gonzales has been inaccurate), he has not been direct, open, forthright or convincing in his statements.

As such, it is difficult to give statements made by the AG any merit or integrity.

It was not all that long ago that we were told that honor and integrity were going to be restored in Washington. We've been told many things by this administration yet few have come to pass in the manner in which they were intended or interpreted. Gonzales is just another example of the spin cycle that exists in Washington these days.