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  • Traynor YGM-3 1969-1974 W/3 Inputs

    Amp used to play well and now it makes a motorboat sound.Owned it since 1980's so I tug it out for an over-haul.Raised three sons on this amp and am sure it was pushed to max more then once Worth it because now all three have love for music and playing. Oldest (has his own family now) plays guitar,has drum set and mandolin. Middle son (out on his own now) took up playing bass only and youngest son plays guitar,sings and just learning to play Banjo.Anyway..back to the project..I noticed the new re-issue schematics compared to the originals has some differences. The 2 main power supply 40uF 450V old FP style can caps for instance. They now call for 450V 32 uF etc...After reading all over the net about either buying a 300 watt solder iron or just using a chisel to cut the old solder? And rather to stay with the FP can style over priced CE man. $41 caps that people has been having mixed luck with. I ordered from (tubesandmore.com) the $8.00 ea. 32uF 500V JJ (black in color) and mounting brackets. I also ordered all new tubes. 2-EL84/6BQ5's and 4- 12AX7's. Now for discharging the killer caps I made a 10K 10 watt resistor jumper deal.When I took off the back cover to my dis-may the wires were barely wrapped to speaker terminals and not even soldered. 12T6-9 is on a partial sticker on rear and I believe it is a 1967 Oxford 12" speaker.Went to MetroAmp.com and ordered caps to replaced the mustard caps if need be. Also resistor R39 will be clipped and Bias pot soldered in to adjust new tubes for best output.Decided on the 32uF caps over the 50uF cap replacements.Also my main rectifier diodes are red in color.Any body have any ideas or input? Thanks
    Last edited by SilverTone439; 02-25-2010, 01:13 AM. Reason: Mis-spelled words

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    Bad caps can cause strange things to happen. You'll be better off with the 500v replacements as the 450v will likely be overvoltaged now due to higher line voltages. I just picked up a 71 Custom Reverb head and I have 468v on the first 2 cap sections rated for 450v. So those will be replaced with 500v parts, but I'm going the opposite way as you. This has a 40/40 cap for the plate/screen supply. I'm going with a 100/100 to stiffen it up some. Since there's no choke I want the extra reserve on hand.

    I also disabled the tremolo. Why? Because it passes bias voltage thru a pot on its way to the output tube grids. Do pots go intermittant? Absolutely. This is bad mojo.
    The farmer takes a wife, the barber takes a pole....

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    • #3
      Thanks for the reply GTR Tech. I have some questions.As I said I have the YGM-3 Guitar-Mate with 3 input on front.It has reverb and tremolo also.I compared all the different schematics including the re-issue one.I have 4 old style carbon resistors that I want to replace with flameproof style but they all seem to be different then whats on any schematic I find. R41 is 12 ohm brn. red blk. sil. R40 is 56K grn. blu. orn. sil. and last two are 220 ohms red.red.brn.sil. and 68 ohms blu. gry. blk. sil. Also caps C28 and C29 are a matching pair of 8uF 250v but schematic shows C29 should be 68uF 64V.Also should I leave the old Holland mustard caps or change them to SOKO's from MetroAmp? Also I noticed someone already put a three prong plug in but just but green ground wire is not hooked up.This also has the dreaded ground switch still hooked up and I am not sure what cap(death cap) everyone keeps talking about.Is it the small ceramic looking one from ground switch to ground? I am going to hook up the cord green ground wire to ground but not sure how to unhook/bypass the ground switch.Thanks for any advice or diagrams.I have uploaded 10 pics also.
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      • #4
        Well I was checking through schematics and it appears this YGM-1 is what matches up to mine.
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        • #5
          Wouldn't hurt to replace the cathode bypass caps while you're in there. 22uF/50V would be a good replacement for those 25-25s.

          - Scott

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          • #6
            My amp is missing the 250 ohm 10 watt resistor coming off the #3 of the top right 6BQ5 tube. This would be a rather large resistor and its not there however the amp worked fine for several years? Any input on this? Also mine has the pair of blue 8uF 250 caps side by side and this above YGM-1 schematic is not showing it. However mine does have the 3 transformers and all the carbon comp.resistors match up. My amp has the 3 inputs in front but YGM-1 circuit matches and not the YGM-3? Thanks

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SilverTone439 View Post
              I am not sure what cap(death cap) everyone keeps talking about.Is it the small ceramic looking one from ground switch to ground? I am going to hook up the cord green ground wire to ground but not sure how to unhook/bypass the ground switch.Thanks for any advice or diagrams.I have uploaded 10 pics also.
              Yes, that's the death cap. You can just remove it and you're good to go. Replace those light blue electrolytic caps, they usually go bad with age.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SilverTone439 View Post
                My amp is missing the 250 ohm 10 watt resistor coming off the #3 of the top right 6BQ5 tube. This would be a rather large resistor and its not there however the amp worked fine for several years? Any input on this? Also mine has the pair of blue 8uF 250 caps side by side and this above YGM-1 schematic is not showing it. However mine does have the 3 transformers and all the carbon comp.resistors match up. My amp has the 3 inputs in front but YGM-1 circuit matches and not the YGM-3? Thanks
                That would be a fixed bias amp and the 8uF caps are your bias supply filter caps.
                Replace them with 10uF@250v-350v caps.
                Leave all the mustard caps alone unless they are bad...
                Bruce

                Mission Amps
                Denver, CO. 80022
                www.missionamps.com
                303-955-2412

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                • #9
                  I removed the death cap, hooked up the green ground wire to chassis transformer bolt with star lock washer,replaced both 40/40uF 450v main filter caps with two new 50/50uF 500V and clamps from Angela.com.One of the old can style caps tested bad on analog meter and rattled inside when shook meter would not bleed off when probes reversed.Replaced all the mustard caps with new Soko's from Metroamp.Replaced all the old blue caps with new Sprauge Atom's.solderer speaker wire onto speaker terminals,ran new speaker heavy ga. wire.Replaced all tubes with new matched JJ's 2 EL84/6BQ5's and 4 12AX7's. I did not touch the old carbon comp. resistors but if I do I will use metal films 1 watt only.Fired it up and the Oxford speaker really sounded great.Volume on 3 and sound's unbelievable.I posted some before and after pics.I appreciate this forum and all the expert advice.It really came in handy when I was doing this re-cap.I thought hey if I don't like the Soko caps I will just put old Holland mustard caps back in.But I love it and see no reason too.
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                  • #10
                    Have another question.What is the reverb bag for? Mine did not have one but I see where I can buy them.Pros and cons? Thanks

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                    • #11
                      Any comments on this tired looking output transformer? Amp still playing great.. JJ tubes seem to be doing well also.
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