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    Hello Guys, I'm new here so please excuse any mistakes or overlong meanderings!

    To cut a long story short...about a year ago I bought an old Peavey Classic 2x12 VTR on ebay. Looked like it had the original 6L6 tubes from 1981 still fitted!... so I swapped them out with Russian Electro Harmonix ones. Volume levels seemed to still be up and down, so it was stripped down and the main PCB removed. As suspected... full of dry joints, plus on the valve bases too - all resoldered and cleaned up etc. I noted that one of the 5885 cathode drivers and it's protect transistor on the board had been swapped out with TIP41 AND BC182....still it was working perfectly now, and I had no schematic so it was left at that. I did a dozen or more gigs with the combo, which by the way produces a great satisfying articulate yet creamy tone...one of the best amps I've had in fact.

    And so the trouble starts....during a rehearsal...a loud 'pop' then dead (at least it wasn't during a gig...). Now a small weedy distorted output.

    I took it to work, where I have a bench, good light, tools, test gear (I'm in electronics as it happens).

    The main HT fuse had blown, (1 amp fast). TIP41 and it's protect transistor both short....hmmm.

    I contacted Peavey U.K. who kindly sent me a PDF schematic and for £10, two new drivers and two protect transistors. The T0-220 drivers were MJE15032G, 250v devices...better than the 150v originals, the two protect transistors MPS6531's. All surrounding resistors checked, an a few old electolytics swapped out on the board for good measure. Main board reseated with all it's connectors, and the fuse replaced.

    So, switch on....500v sitting on the anodes and +80v on the MJE collectors/6L6 cathodes. +/- 15v rails good...a little white noise from the speakers...and, yes the amp is working again! I ran a CD through it for half an hour at high volume to prove the point, then reassembled.

    This was a week ago....today with the amp at home (and no schematic - it's at work and it's Easter) I tried the combo with a guitar.
    At switch on there was a slight frying noise....it worked for a couple of mins then 'pop' and dead again!!! F**K!

    I opened up the chassis - 1 amp fuse open cricuit again. One MPS transistor short and the accociated MJE driver leaky base/emitter...although I need to pull them out for further checks...this will be back at work now.
    Somthing strange is happening on that half of the output stage...overvolting? I'm just wondering if it's on of the (new) valves going internal short.
    All this is on the same side that the TIP41 was originaly replaced on...a bad omen for s/c output transformer?? Maybe somthing in the drive circuitry between the op amp and base of the MJE....I hope.

    I'll post more later, after more probing....but has anyone come upon a similar fault on one of the Peavey VTR combos?

    If so...I need help! The problem is I don't feel I can trust this amp now....

    Thanks for reading, Steve.

  • #2
    Could you post the schem?
    And BTW welcome to the forum.

    Matt

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    • #3
      http://www.schematicheaven.com/newam...ritage_vtx.pdf

      Same amp.....omit 1 pair of output tubes.
      The farmer takes a wife, the barber takes a pole....

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      • #4
        Pretty sure it's the 6L6's shorting and burning out the driver. 1 of your tubes has loose guts and when playing loud it vibrarates the tubes sending Hi Voltage back to the driver.... A new set of outputs will cure the problem.

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        • #5
          Peavey VTX. Thanks for the posts.

          Many thanks for the speedy replies guys - Yes, that Heritge schematic is virtualy the same exept for two more 6L6's and the 1.5k grid stopper resistors.

          My thoughts were along the same lines about the output bottles...if one was going short and putting near full HT across the driver transistor that would emulate the scenario I'm seeing. The valves are less than a year old though and look to be in perfect condition...not that it still couldn't be one of them!

          I'll again replace the duff transistors and start again...this time noting all the voltage test points in the driver stages plus changing around the tubes to see what happens. I did cold checks on all the diodes around there last time, but it also may still be one of them breaking down?

          Let you know in a few days time

          Cheers, Steve.

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          • #6
            Peavey VTX Tube Trouble

            The saga continues.....

            The amp was stripped down on the bench and the board removed.
            Q7 and Q7 drivers and Q4, Q5 (BC337’s ok) protect transistors replaced plus associated resistors and diodes this time…even though they checked ok…just in case. All connectors and solder joints checked.

            I put the original old Peavey 6L6’s back in and ran the amp up into a 4ohm Dummy load, and via a 1k resistor into headphones.

            On power up all seemed well with 90volts on each cathode with no signal. With the output ‘scoped I measured an output of 40volts peak to peak at clipping…fed with 315Hz sine wave to low gain input.

            Tapped around, flexed the board etc….still a rock solid output…looks like a fix!

            Ok…now to try swapping the valves for the newer Russian Electro Harmonix ones. Started on low power (250volts HT) from the front panel switch. All still working fine…but when I flicked the switch to full power… ‘pop’. The voltage on Q7 driver collector now at 4volts! plus distorted output…it’s gone short again, bah!! Definitely one of the 6L6’s then. Must have an internal short or tracking – breaking down at full HT voltage…even though it looks fine and there’s nothing loose in there...so you were right 1ampman!
            I again swapped out all four transistors (many more times and the print will start coming off the board) and ran it with the old valves to confirm…now working perfectly again.

            So it looks like I’ll be buying a new pair of 6L6’s (probably not Electro Harmonix ones this time)….but I’ll keep it stripped down on the bench when I try them!

            Luckily, I don’t have any gigs until next month

            All part of the learning curve...hope I haven't bored anyone to death, but at least if anyone gets a similar problem with one of these they know where to start looking.

            Steve.

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            • #7
              You know a tube driver stage wouldn't blow out. It would take abuse all day. .... This forum is excellent!

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