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  • What type of pickups are this?

    Hi, i was looking for silvertone guitar in youtube and i found this guitar:

    Silvertone Stratotone 1423





    What type of pickups are this? because they are diferent and sound diferent.

    Thanks


    Juan Motta

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    DeArmond-Rowe
    It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


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    • #3
      They are the gold foil type pickups, looks like those have silver foil, but the same. They have rubber magnets inside, very simple single coils, steel baseplate.
      http://www.SDpickups.com
      Stephens Design Pickups

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      • #4
        I had one of those guitars years ago.

        I'm curious... when were the rubber magnets invented? I thought that was a relatively recent invention.

        ken
        www.angeltone.com

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Possum View Post
          They are the gold foil type pickups, looks like those have silver foil, but the same. They have rubber magnets inside, very simple single coils, steel baseplate.
          I have had 4 of those and pulled many apart (my bit of research Possum) and not come across a rubber magnet yet. I think Sweetfinger has but all the ones I have dissected have been Indox(ceramic) or alnico.

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          • #6
            They are the gold foil type pickups, looks like those have silver foil, but the same. They have rubber magnets inside, very simple single coils, steel baseplate.
            Rubber magnets? anyone have a picture? i can´t imagine how it looks like because i don´t any of this before.
            Anyone have a picture of the pickup inside? of patent? I want to know how is builded.

            Regards

            Juan Motta

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            • #7
              Steel baseplate/phenolic top with magnet bonded between,Click image for larger version

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ID:	823546 coil wound straight onto taped magnet. Simple..

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ken View Post
                I had one of those guitars years ago.

                I'm curious... when were the rubber magnets invented? I thought that was a relatively recent invention.

                ken
                I'd guess around the time ceramic magnets were invented. Rickenbacker has been using rubberized magnets for a while now
                It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


                http://coneyislandguitars.com
                www.soundcloud.com/davidravenmoon

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                • #9
                  so... the magnets is between the baseplate and the top... is this a bar magnet with black tape on it?
                  (sorry my language is spanish, is dificult to my to undersand)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jonson View Post
                    Steel baseplate/phenolic top with magnet bonded between,coil wound straight onto taped magnet. Simple..[ATTACH=CONFIG]16301[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]16300[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]16302[/ATTACH]
                    Hey Jonson, I was hoping you would chime in, and I was too lazy to look for the old discussions on these pickups. Do you know off hand how they are wound and what gauge wire they used?

                    These are some of my favorite single coils.
                    It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


                    http://coneyislandguitars.com
                    www.soundcloud.com/davidravenmoon

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                    • #11
                      Pretty sure it was 44 formvar, but its been a long time since I've messed with those. I was going to make a copy but I went the DeArmond/Kay route and used alnico instead, had custom magnets made. So they are more like the Stratotone pickups that Junior Watson made famous and drove the prices of those cheap guitars thru the roof....
                      http://www.SDpickups.com
                      Stephens Design Pickups

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                      • #12
                        What size of magnets have and what type?

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                        • #13
                          I've seen formvar and plain enamel and there's nothing set for these pickups. c/w round the taped magnet ranging from 42awg to 45awg. There are pickups as low as 3.5k to pickups as high as 14.5k. I have had the magnets made 58mmx10mmx5mm in all alnico grades/ceramic and rubber and also with holes for pole screws and allthough the rubber ones are fairly powerful I still dismiss them as not sounding like Dearmonds. Word was that Harry designed this pickup around an Indox magnet he got from Indianna Mining co. but how true I don't know. It is such a simple pickup once you've located all the materials and yes nice to make the covers etc but there are other ways of boxing them in and they will still sound good for something that is very basic.

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                          • #14
                            Does anyone happen to know what the "gold foil" material (or rather "silver foil" in this case) on these old De Armond pickups is made of? That question has always had me stumped.
                            Same for the Teisco "gold foils" -I could never work out what that mesh material they used was made from either.

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                            • #15
                              Hi

                              The gold foil is a kind thick embossed paper, you have to be careful when reassembling the pup. All of the ones i´ve rewound have had a hard rubberized magnet material.

                              Cheers

                              Andrew

                              Originally posted by nekodensha View Post
                              Does anyone happen to know what the "gold foil" material (or rather "silver foil" in this case) on these old De Armond pickups is made of? That question has always had me stumped.
                              Same for the Teisco "gold foils" -I could never work out what that mesh material they used was made from either.

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