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  • Attenuator design for Fender Hot Rod Delux

    Well, here I am, following in regis' footsteps...

    I am currently building an attenuator for a friends Hotrod deluxe valve amp, weighing in at 40w.

    having looked around, I decided that it would be way too powerful for a single variable L-Pad to suffice, so it will need a slightly more detailed approach.

    So far I have the following parts headed my way:

    2 x 100w 4ohm wirewound resistors (alu shell)
    2 x 50w 8ohm wirewound resistors (alu shell)
    6.8uF 400v MKP Audiophilar cap
    12uF 400v MKP Audiophilar cap
    2 x 6.5mm PCB mount jack socket
    2' 6.5mm patch cable
    PCB 90mm x 150mm
    on-off-on DPDT switch (15a @ 250V)
    2 x on-on DPDTswitch (15a @ 250v)

    Computer PSU to mount it in (using the 80mm fan for cooling)
    12v 1A DC power supply (with AC power input)
    Optional: additional 120mm or 92mm cooling fan.

    Other pertinent info:
    The amp is by default an 8 ohm output, but has a second output jack into which an 8 ohm speaker/cab can be plugged. This causes the amp to switch to an 4 ohm output. (thanks regis for that info). Regis suggested I could use a stereo 100w 8 ohm L-Pad in dual ganged mode to make it effectively a 200w mono 4 ohm L-pad. The amp could have a dead end jack plugged into the second port, or have the 4/8 switch hard wired in.
    This would create a second wire to hardwire in, and also mean more engineering for both the ease of disconnecting/removing the attenuator, and also impedance matching at the speaker end (being an 8 ohm speaker)

    My plan:
    Use a standard AC cable hardwired into the power input on the amp. This will be plugged into the DC power supply, and in turn into the attenuator. Means that whenever the amp is switched ON it will also power the fan on the attenuator, regardless of attenuator configuration.
    Attenuator plugged in as you would expect:
    AMP > patch lead > Attenuator > Speaker (which has its own 6.5mm jack)

    The attenuator will be 8 ohm only.

    Having decided that the power throughput would be too much for a single L-Pad to handle, I thought it would be a good idea to put resistors in front of the L-pad, IE a fixed -3db 8ohm load in L series with the L-pad. - basically the same design as regis' Ampoline attenuator, with an L-Pad instead of resistors as the second stage. I then decided it would probably be easy also to make the first stage a -3db, and the second an identical -3db, but with the second stage having an L-pad which theoretically means it can go to -infinity.

    Will do up a proper diagram and attach it.
    Comments/thoughts/suggestions?

  • #2
    Well, here I am, following in regis' footsteps...
    Uh Oh, yer in trouble now.

    The way you describe it sounds cool, post a schem when you can.

    Regis
    Stop by my web page!

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    • #3
      Ok, here is the schematic. It makes sense to my out-of-practice brain... hopefully if theres any holes you all can find them before I find holes in the Amp!
      Attached Files

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      • #4
        well, as I found out this morning, a guitar cable and a speaker cable are not one and the same, even if they both have trs jacks on them... I guess I knew that already, but didnt think about it. NVM... just means I have to make one of them also (instead of going the cheap $2 patch cable option).

        All parts except the L-Pad are ordered, as I am still a little iffy about that one. I think what I will do is put an extra switch in, between the 2nd stage resistors and the l-pad, which will allow me to cut out the L-pad altogether (ie bypass it in the same way I have the switch between stage 1 and 2). dont know how that will help it too much, but it will give me a little piece of mind that the second stage can be used without having to touch any part of the L-pad.

        I also tested the cooling today - by moving the power supply 80mm fan (I am building this in a computer power supply) to the outside of the case, blowing in, I get a nice stream of air blowing through, particularly on the side with the fan. This will be the side that has the L-pad on one side, and the resistors on the other. The bottom section, that has slightly less air flow will have the switches, capacitors, and the plug input and output.

        If anyone is interested I will document the build with pics here. Cheers, Joh.

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        • #5
          Ordered the L-Pad today, 100w rms 8 ohm.

          while waiting for the parts to arrive, I decided to sort out my cooling. Cooling is provided by an 80mm fan attached to the outside of the case. I am using the old power supply on/off switch as a hi-low switch, with a small (148ohm i think) resistor across it. This allows me to reduce the voltage on the fan to 6v, or have it at the full 12v. That is attached to a standard dc plug so I can plug an external 12v 1A transformer into it.

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          • #6
            Still waiting for the rest of the parts to arrive - so far I have installed the cooling Fan with a high/low speed switch and a dc Jack to plug its power supply in.. I have also put a couple of coats of satin black on the outside.

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            • #7
              Righto. all done, and working properly - first go!

              Some notes:
              Once its all together theres no point testing it with a multimeter... just too many paths and you will just confuse yourself. Trust your design and double check the wiring.
              I put in switches for stage 1 and 2 (which is tied directly to the variable l-pad). Probably could have gotten away with 1 switch (attenuate and bypass) and the treble switch. The first stage makes next to no audible difference. Putting the second stage in gives a noticeable drop, but not too much that it needs anything in between. The variable L-pad is able to dial down to no sound output.
              On this 40w amp, it seems fine. Things get warm to touch, but it seems evenly distributed over the components and none of them get hot enough to worry about. My mate has a 100w amp, which I think should be OK if using stage 1 and 2, but NOT stage 3. Either way, its probably better not going over 50.

              All wiring is 14g aircraft wiring
              All crimps are also soldered for strength / connectivity
              I was going to use the cct board for the capacitors, but ended up just using hot glue to mount them and then wiring them through some cheap plastic connectors. All wire tails are also soldered.

              I forgot to take pics of the outside of the case before I installed it. such is life!

              Any questions, feel free to ask.

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              Last edited by Heviink; 06-09-2012, 12:27 PM. Reason: added detail

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