Another suggestion of a speaker

[Alan0354]

Excuse me for being ignorant. Obviously I still have a lot to learn about speaker. I want to start a new thread as the old one is all over the place already.

I just bought a Eminence Legend 1258. I also own a Celestion G12T-75. The Legend is too bright after breaking, which I can still adjust out with the tone control. But it miss the high sizzle in OD like the Celestion. From the response graph, I think the problem is the response about -5dB at 5KHz that cause the muffle at the high end even though it's a bright speaker.

I want an American sound, I do like the sound of the Legend 1258 when come to clean. The Celestion is way too British sounding for me in clean and it is too throaty. You have any suggestion?

So far the WGS G12C/S is definitely in play. I post the same question to WGS to see what they come back. I also ask whether the G12C will be as bright as the Legend as they all model after Jensen C12N.

Thanks

Alan

[Alan0354]

Anyone have experience with WGS ET-65 and ET-90? I post the question to WGS and the guy in the video said G12C/S is too dark also. He suggested ET-65 which he claimed is cross betwee American and British. I listen to the video, I think the ET-90 is even a little more American. What do you think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwwgQw_qXEM

[Alan0354]

Anyone has experience with Eminence Texas Heat or Swamp Thang?

[potatofarmer]

Anyone has experience with Eminence Texas Heat or Swamp Thang?

I recently bought two Swamp Thangs for my Twin. The first one I got used, and the seller said he put "about 20 hours" on the speaker. Installed it was exactly the sound I was looking for: "american" midrange instead of a V30-esque "honk" (which I do love for other amps, but anyway), huge clean low end (no booming or farting), and nice bright highs, though with the "icepick" (6+ kHz?) really nicely attenuated.

The Swamp Thang is also incredibly loud, err, sensitive - with a pair of them I need to keep the volume below 3 and plug into the low input. I went from a pair of rotting Utahs to a pair of Peavey Scorpions, ultimately to the Swamp Thangs, and let me tell ya, adding ~9 dB of sensitivity makes a massive difference in loudness. One thing I kept seeing in reviews was that this speaker sounds "huge" and I agree completely. I think I might prefer it to my EV SRO 12/L, but I think that's just me liking the coloring of this speaker, more than it being less colored than the SRO.

Oh, and the second Swamp Thang, the one I bought new? Noticeably brighter and snappier than the one I bought used. Avatar was running a great sale (they might still be?) and the new one barely cost more than the used one, so I was kinda kicking myself for not just buying both brand new, but the broken-in tone is quite significantly better, and it was a really valuable experience getting to hear both new and broken in literally side by side at the same time.

[Alan0354]

Thanks for the reply. Do you happen to try either Eminence Legend 1258, WGS G12C, Jensen C12N or Weber 12F1250? These all belong to the same family of sound that copy after the original Jensen C12N. I want to hear more comment between the same and difference between Swamp Thang and these.....Particularly the Legend 1258 that I have.

Another question is whether Swamp Thang is good for OD sound by a lower wattage amp. One concern is both this and Tx Heat are rated 150W. They are not going to be pushed by a 20W or even a 40W amp.

[Mick Bailey]

The manufacturer's response curve gets modified by the enclosure, so if you're comparing speakers on paper it's worthwhile looking at WinISD to give a better approximation of how the response changes according to baffling, enclosure volume etc.

[Alan0354]

The manufacturer's response curve gets modified by the enclosure, so if you're comparing speakers on paper it's worthwhile looking at WinISD to give a better approximation of how the response changes according to baffling, enclosure volume etc.

I am doing just open back combo amp, does that make a difference?

[Mick Bailey]

Yes. Even though the enclosure is open at the back there are effects such as phase cancellation that modify the forward-projected sound. I sometimes rebuild small-cabinet combos into larger cabs and there's a big difference in the sound without even changing the speaker. The depth of the cabinet also matters.

[JoeM]

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Another question is whether Swamp Thang is good for OD sound by a lower wattage amp. One concern is both this and Tx Heat are rated 150W. They are not going to be pushed by a 20W or even a 40W amp.

Alan, I don't know if this helps, but I have a Swamp Thang that I have used both in my DRRI and my Princeton. With it's high efficiency, it makes these amps pretty loud, but if you're trying to push them more into break up (the amp, not the speaker), a less efficient speaker might suit you better. The Swamp Thangs are heavy too, maybe not an issue for you.