Whom would I got to to make something totally new?

[neshel]

I like aspects of high gain - things that in my experience cannot be produced or mimicked in lower gain circuits coupled with other gear. There are aspects of high gain I don't like and, from what I hear in the sound of it, I think a different kind of design is possible to not produce those things, while retaining the things I do like. Whom would I go to to ask about this?

[loudthud]

I think this is a job for SGM.

[Leo_Gnardo]

I think this is a job for SGM.

Indeed! SGM & Randy Smith should collaborate on this one. Or, why suffer with all these obsolete tube designs, follow daz's lead & go digital. You can turn chalk to cheese at the touch of a button. Works on vocals too. Alfalfa comes out sounding like Pavarotti. Pure magic.

[Enzo]

Hi neshel.


I think your question is still unformed. You need to decide what those things are that you want and don't want. Better yet, examples of them. Design is design, I don;t know how we can have a different kind of it. We work on designing a product to fit the specifications. As many many have done here, they chase various desired outcomes in their amps. SO you'd need to be much more specific for us to help.

[Audiotexan]

Indeed! SGM & Randy Smith should collaborate on this one.

Ouch!
What'd Randall do to you? =P

[Enzo]

Oh, around here the main concern I think is that he has patented everything from the vacuum tube to putting salt on your steak. It is only a matter of time before he patents say the volume control.

[Alan0354]

You need to know what you are looking for and then experiment with it. I've been searching for months, there is no answer out there as it's in your head. I can only say you need to experiment with different front end design to see which one is closest to what you want and then modify from there.

[Leo_Gnardo]

Audiotexan: < What'd Randall do to you? > I just thought those two together would make a helluva team. SGM can teach him all about "arching." Plus all those cascaded gain stages that make an amp sound like a steam boiler about to explode, mm good.

Our OP can get an idea of outrageous hi gain heaven by listening to Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music" beginning to end. Lou claimed he linked thirteen 100W Marshalls in series to get his unique tone. That's what it takes to be a successful rock star.

Then there's the Carvin eleven-stage guitar preamp. WTF can anybody do to beat that? What advantage could really be "gained" from adding more stages? Heck buy a few of those and link 'em up in series, maybe Lou's terrific tones could be outdone.

[Audiotexan]

Oh, around here the main concern I think is that he has patented everything from the vacuum tube to putting salt on your steak. It is only a matter of time before he patents say the volume control.

Oh I know... one of my fav's was the 'mica' bit recently. I was just like 'damn, RS musta really done something to be in that category.'

Or were you referring to RS? lol

[big_teee]

Leo, Your getting pretty cynical there in your maturing (Old) Age!
T

[Audiotexan]

Neshel,

Honestly, after thinking a bit about this. The wheel's been invented/reinvented so many times in the last 60 years, that there's GOT to be something close to what you want.

Personally, find what's closest, then mod that (or have it modded) to your heart's content.

But honestly asking to have an amp custom-built from scratch??
10-1 some local "tech" is just going to take full advantage of you and copy an already existing design, charge you for mats/building it, and then he'll mod it to your tastes from there. You could save the MAJORITY of this outlay by doing 'paragraph 2' and saving AT LEAST 70% of your cost up front.

At least that's my .02 as you've layed things out so far.

[Chuck H]

Well some comments here are clearly derisive and intended for entertainment (even though some of it is inside jokes the OP will never get). Others are more sage in stating that there isn't much new under the sun. So if it doesn't exist already there's probably a design barrier. What I'd be interested in is what, by any description that includes adjectives, Neshel wants.?. So far all we know is that Neshel wants an amp that is like a high gain amp, but not like a high gain amp.

[The Dude]

I like aspects of high gain

What aspects?

There are aspects of high gain I don't like

What aspects?

First off, welcome to the boards. Next, unless you would like to become a bit more specific, we have no idea what you want. What is it you like about high gain- the ease of saturation, the noise? What is it you don't like?

[Audiotexan]

Perhaps (as Enzo suggested above, as well as Chuck just now) you could share attributes you like/dislike about some of the high-gain amps you've used/owned, and go from there...

EG:
If I had could own the perfect amp, it would be:

1. The clean channel (and output section) of a tweed bassman
2. The trem and reverb from a 65 Vibrolux Reverb
3. The lead channel from an '86 Mesa MkIII Simul-Class purple stripe (with either Philips/ECG STR387's or Sylvania STR-415's in the 6L6 slots, and NOS Mullard EL34's in the outer pair and all wired in Triode mode)

Then we could point you in a general direction

[Alan0354]

In a way, I think I understand what OP want. I have some sort of similar issue. To be honest, quite a few amps I tested are more of a tube pedal sort of thing. You have a certain front end, you get a certain sound. A lot of them really doesn't make as much difference in the sound as I expect when using different guitar. So the sound is more of the amp than what you input into the amp.

Against what people say, I do believe there's circuit that people have not discovered yet even though a lot of circuits had already being used already. Just like writing song, it's easy to write something similar like everyone else......and there sure a lot of so called "original song" out there. But once is a while, you do hear a song that really stand out. Question is ARE YOU THAT GOOD?

I know I am going offend some people AGAIN. If there is a pot of a few million dollars that reward someone that can create a guitar amp that is out of ordinary AND people like it better by different judges, You'll get a design very fast. It's all about money and big money attract big brains. Here we are, most of us just doing it for the fun and passion. Most of us really don't depend on designing amp for living. We put in whatever time we have in our leisure only. Look at all the new invention and discovery in electronics. It's like moving at light speed. All because there are big reward and big money.

You want to bet, If the market can support a company selling 100,000 amp a month, there will be new unique designs every few months like from Desk top to laptop to tablet and so on. It's all about money.

I just refuse to believe all the good circuit of tube amps have been discovered. I'm sure glad the rest of the electronics industry don't follow this believe. I encourage OP to keep trying......just don't count on getting a lot of help and most in the industry believe all the good circuits have been discovered and what remain is just tweaking values. Look at most of the high gain amps start with JCM800 2204!!!!