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[chunkitup]

So I sold a build for a SE EL84 high gain amp. It's based on an amp I built before and I always used the Hammond 269EX which I first used because it came with my P1!! That's where it all started for me but anyway.......
The customer wants reverb and delay and NO HE DOESNT WANT TO USE PEDALS!! Ha!! So I was thinking about finding a cool reverb and delay pedal that I build myself(kit) and then incorporate it into the chassis. I'm ordering trannys from Heyboer because I'm gonna make two of these because it sounds like a cool deal. I have my 380vac Ct @ 100mA then 6.3vac Ct @ 2.5A and then what should I use for the fx? I never built fx pedals or digital fx for that matter. Suggestions on the fx themselves and then what supply should I use?

[J M Fahey]

The customer wants reverb and delay and NO HE DOESNT WANT TO USE PEDALS!! Ha!!

But he WILL
Just they will be embedded in the amp.

To begin with, thatīs a bad business for you.
Maybe he expects to save money, that as you build him a handwired tube amp (boutique stuff) for less price, letīs say he pays hamburger price and gets steak instead, and expects the same with pedals, but that does not apply to them, where your *cost* will be above effects street price.

You will complicate the build, delay way more, get into trouble and compromise the main sale.

Personally, I would stick to what you are comfortable with and cancel the pedal stuff.

That said, you might add some spring reverb, copy what Fender/Peavey does in their amps, just matching that to a tube amp which does not expect it is enough to fill your hands.

Delay/chorus/flanger/etc. for just *one* sale and with a very low price roof above your head?
And something which will need to solve teething problems, not something that you have been doing for some time and where you basically ironed bugs out before but have to troubleshoot and adjust? And with a clock ticking? (he will want his amp sooner than later)
Forget it.

You have a price and skill advantage when building a handwired tube amp, not on relatively complex pedals which to boot must be seamlessly fitted *inside* an amp.

So I was thinking about finding a cool reverb and delay pedal that I build myself(kit) and then incorporate it into the chassis.

If you find some , show them here .

I'm ordering trannys from Heyboer because I'm gonna make two of these because it sounds like a cool deal. I have my 380vac Ct @ 100mA then 6.3vac Ct @ 2.5A and then what should I use for the fx? I never built fx pedals or digital fx for that matter. Suggestions on the fx themselves and then what supply should I use?

Not saying you donīt experiment or build new things, quite the contrary, just donīt tie other product sales results to future skills.

Experiment for yourself, match/include them wherever you like for yourself, no strings attached, no ticking clock, and only after you are happy with results and feel self confident, *then* "sign a contract" and take somebodyīs money.

[g1]

Agree with JM, maybe use Belton brick digital reverb in amp, forget the delay. It will end up costing you more than you bargained for.

[SoulFetish]

I'm not sure if he really understands what he's asking for. What I mean is, if you integrate a digital reverb into the amplifier circuit, you're essentially building in a small effects loop/pedal chain circuit in the amp chassis. This really won't be much different than using an actual effects loop and delay/reverb pedal(s), except that he won't be able to swap them out if he gets tired of those, or wants a newer version, or whatever.
If he's looking for analog solid state or tube driven delay and reverb effects built into the amp, that would be really cool. It would also be really expensive, really high maintenance, and probably really frigging big.
Either way, I would encourage a well designed loop with a good mixing (and maybe phase switching) input circuit, and use either separate spring reverb and tape/can delay units, or whatever smaller effects pedals are all the rage and call it macaroni.
I like the idea of building an amp with all the mechanical bullshit involved in integrating a tape (or can) delay and spring reverb, but good luck getting someone to pay enough money to make it economically worth it.

[Zozobra]

This has major ballache written all over it. When spec'ing out something custom it is far too easy to fall down the endless feature rabbit hole. I have done this many times and thankfully I've scaled back on most occasions when it came to penning the final schematic but whenever my desires exceeded my skills I quickly regretted it. How many hours and potential debugging horrors will this add to the build?

My best suggestion is to add a SS loop, as they are fairly transparent and there are lots of proven designs available now and you can purchase the loop for in the jet city amps for $20-30. I'd then make the loop switchable with a footswitch. Pedals can live on top of the amp and the whole loop can be controlled remotely.