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    In spite being ever careful working on all this equipment, and ever-so-careful when I go probing with the equipment powered up on the test bench, still sometimes I get greeted with a loud BANG! when touching the DMM probe to a particular circuit.

    That just happened yesterday, while checking the results of restoring a Mackie SWA 1801 Power Panel, and checking the output potential of its’ switched HV rails. I never have the HV rails engaged when I first bring up a repaired system. I verified the power amp circuit worked on the low voltage supplies, then checked the output level from the MosFET’s at the empty Fuse holders (which would be about the same as the LV buss caps with no signal). The Power Panel had an exploded 4700uF/100V Buss cap, which was a nightmare to removed, being in the middle of the glued-down cluster of buss caps.. I’d already replaced the BYV79 hi current TO220 diodes, while the IRF 540’s measured ok.

    When I touched the FET-side of the empty fuse holder, with the DMM probe (200V range), I was greeted with a loud BANG and a flash of light from the spark, which of course made me jump back, now eyeballing the Power Analyzer, getting ready to shut it down. All appeared normal…no change in mains current. I shut it down anyway, shaken back to reality. I HATE THAT!!

    I didn’t’ find anything obvious, the MOSFET measured fine, as did the BYV79 diode, and powered the system back up, but now, with the fuses in place to check the switching HV rails, the negative rail wasn’t switching. Powered down, discharged the caps and took the clamp off the MosFETs’ and power diodes to look further. The upper half of the MosFET on the neg side came right off, exposing a blackened pile of soot inside the MosFET, so THAT part exploded, resulting in that loud BANG I heard. Replaced it and the controller IC, all back together and working fine.
    Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence

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    I take a deep breath and prepare NOT to jump every time I probe plates or screens of an amp plugged into a speaker.
    --
    I build and repair guitar amps
    http://amps.monkeymatic.com

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    • #3
      What scares me... Hmmmmm.?.

      I think I'm probably most scared by smoke. Occasionally during a design prototype I do something stupid like simply drive too much signal into the grids of the power tubes. Almost regardless of what other measures I've taken, I've noticed that if you overdrive a power tube grid too much the screen will nearly always show itself as being a lower impedance at HF spikes than the plate circuit. I've chased a few smoking screen resistors in my travels. Then there was the time I wanted some space between the insulator board and the main board in a Traynor mod. Turns out that automotive vacuum tubing has enough carbon in it to become conductive at high voltage... And make A LOT of smoke. Or when I was trouble shooting a Kustom amp and failed to recognize the ground pin on the ribbon to the power tube board was bad. HHHUUUUUMMMMMMM!!!! There was smoke coming out of my 2x12 Celestion cabinet within a couple of seconds from all the DC slamming the speakers. Oh!.. Another one! At the winter NAMM show in 2009 I had two prototypes on the floor for the general public to play through and enjoy. Fortunately I spent most of my time noodling through my guitar on one of the amps. It started to smell funny. And then sound funny! and then smoke!!! I had used 600V caps for a shunt circuit that, I found out later, might see spikes under overdrive at some double the B+. Overdriving the amp into an attenuator I had managed to punch so many holes in the foil and dielectric that the cap eventually shorted. So, yeah, I've seen a few flashes and even taken a couple of shocks. But smoke always scares me.
      "Take two placebos, works twice as well." Enzo

      "Now get off my lawn with your silicooties and boom-chucka speakers and computers masquerading as amplifiers" Justin Thomas

      "If you're not interested in opinions and the experience of others, why even start a thread?
      You can't just expect consent." Helmholtz

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      • #4
        What scares me?............SNAKES. I friggin' hate snakes! I know, not what you were looking for, but that's what scares me.

        I'll at least share a story. When I was in tech school (just a few years ago ), I was working on a big CRT set. My screwdriver slipped removing the anode connector and I got a 25KV zap to the hand. As anyone's first reaction would be, I jumped back away from the set- hitting both elbows on a file cabinet. I was not only shaking from the electrical shock, but both funny bones were buzzing at the same time. Lesson learned.
        "I took a photo of my ohm meter... It didn't help." Enzo 8/20/22

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        • #5
          Snakes here too!

          But it is important to be prepared for those things that make us jump. They are definitely going to happen, so just be ready and have things set up right. Then when you jump you don't end up knocking the chassis on to the floor or whatever.

          In other words, no working on live chassis resting on your lap, etc.
          Originally posted by Enzo
          I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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          • #6
            Turning on an amp, ramping up the variac and crack, spit, fizzle.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by g1 View Post
              In other words, no working on live chassis resting on your lap, etc.
              Luckily I got spared a zap because I burned my legs when the power tubes heated up...
              Chassis now stays on material of the non-animal kind now...

              What scares me is if I'm working on a live chassis and a housemate comes in and slams the door or otherwise startled me. They sometimes don't understand that this is a little bit more than me just accidentally slipping a finger in an outlet.

              Justin
              "Wow it's red! That doesn't look like the standard Marshall red. It's more like hooker lipstick/clown nose/poodle pecker red." - Chuck H. -
              "Of course that means playing **LOUD** , best but useless solution to modern sissy snowflake players." - J.M. Fahey -
              "All I ever managed to do with that amp was... kill small rodents within a 50 yard radius of my practice building." - Tone Meister -

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              • #8
                What scares me?

                Dynacord Gigants.

                Nearly 200W from 4 x EL34s.

                Nearly 800V on the plates.

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                • #9
                  The explosion of certain can capacitors. I have not suffered any yet.

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                  • #10
                    More sinister stuff such as;

                    Yellow cadmium oxide fur on pots and lampholders.
                    Asbestos panels or fabric that's turned to dust in the back of some amps (50s Fenders/70s Peaveys)
                    Viton O rings that have turned to glue on power tubes

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Dude View Post
                      What scares me?............SNAKES.
                      No one yet has said.... COMMITMENT.
                      DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

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                      • #12
                        The price of a new car.....

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                        • #13
                          SPIDERS! Nothing like moving your next project amp up onto the bench, that had been sitting in your clients' garage for ages, and catch out of the corner of your eye, the black spider that's now crawling up the front of our shirt! Or finding a black widow inside the chassis now agitated for having its' home disturbed!
                          Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by nevetslab View Post
                            SPIDERS! Nothing like moving your next project amp up onto the bench, that had been sitting in your clients' garage for ages, and catch out of the corner of your eye, the black spider that's now crawling up the front of our shirt! Or finding a black widow inside the chassis now agitated for having its' home disturbed!
                            What did you find inside an amp?

                            I don't want to turn the thread or hijack it, so I'll start a new one on the above subject. I'm sure it's been covered a few times, but we rehash these things now and then.
                            "Take two placebos, works twice as well." Enzo

                            "Now get off my lawn with your silicooties and boom-chucka speakers and computers masquerading as amplifiers" Justin Thomas

                            "If you're not interested in opinions and the experience of others, why even start a thread?
                            You can't just expect consent." Helmholtz

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                            • #15
                              Electrocution. Working with AC power tools oudtoors. I got buzzed by AC hard enough to contract both arms in a state of tonus and knock me off of a ladder while I was hanging gutters. The whole time I knew exactly what was happening and there was nothing I could do to stop it.
                              "Stand back, I'm holding a calculator." - chinrest

                              "I happen to have an original 1955 Stratocaster! The neck and body have been replaced with top quality Warmoth parts, I upgraded the hardware and put in custom, hand wound pickups. It's fabulous. There's nothing like that vintage tone or owning an original." - Chuck H

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