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    I think a lot of people got a free ride without realizing it. Have you ever watched YouTube without paying for a subscription? If so then you got a free ride on Youtube, where youtube consumed a lot of your ISP bandwidth. YT followed the same business model that everyone else is using -- they gave away Free Rides for a long time, to get everyone hooked on the service, and now that everyone is hooked, everyone has the option of paying for a subscription to YouTube Red or being subjected to nag ads. The free ride was there, it's over now. Life changes. Deal with it. Move on. Stop being a crybaby.

    It's funny that Mark is now pointing out that another Murdoch can now come along and scoop up businesses and control news content. I've been labelled a conspiracy theorist for years for saying exactly that. Welcome to the Conspiracy Theorist Club, Mark.

    This is your wake up call -- there's no neutrality anywhere. Not in the TV media, not in the print media, not in the Net. It's all programming for the people who are naive enough to accept it.

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    Net neutrality is Back!!

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    The bill passed the senate. It still has to get through the house, which it won't. Then, Chump has to sign it, which he won't. Don't hold your breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    The bill passed the senate. It still has to get through the house, which it won't. Then, Chump has to sign it, which he won't. Don't hold your breath.
    Listen Buzz Killington, i was just trying to enjoy the rare win while it lasted
    But, you’re probably right. (Puts head down, turns, and walks away while the sad theme to the incredible hulk is playing)

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    LOL! FWIW, I'm rooting for it to pass, but not optimistic. I don't want the rich and powerful deciding what we see on the internet any more than the next guy. They can't control what you write, so they're trying to control what you read. Sorry to wreck your buzz.

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    but when they control what you read, they ultimately control what you write, don't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    LOL! FWIW, I'm rooting for it to pass, but not optimistic. I don't want the rich and powerful deciding what we see on the internet any more than the next guy. They can't control what you write, so they're trying to control what you read. Sorry to wreck your buzz.
    ....but we might not be able to read what you wrote

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    If I understand: If The Dude writes an inflammatory statement but nobody ever reads it, did The Dude really write it?

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    What if things like libraries, civil records, grocery stores, banking institutions and public schools were all managed in the interest of preferential treatment to the most profitable demographic Fundamentally I'm a populist. But the greedy have needs too

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    Oh, I don't deserve a "like" for that one. I was just being glib. The TRUTH is that it's only those who wish to target the profitable demographic that have, and will continue to advance the internet and it's technologies. It's just the nature of capitalism. In the end (and we aren't even close to where this ends) we'll take what we can get. And it'll still be pretty cool. Just not quite as cool as what people and organizations with more money have. But you don't get anything if you don't ask and if we're offered more than our fair share of internet (for now) on the grounds that it's a "public" media then we should take it. I probably won't crab about it either way because I (think I) understand the reality of it.

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    Yes, but what would Al Gore say?

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    Hey! I wrote that in all caps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Yes, but what would Al Gore say?
    That he invented it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Yes, but what would Al Gore say?
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    California is working on a state bill on net neutrality...

    https://www.cnet.com/news/california...es-first-vote/

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    I think a lot of people got a free ride without realizing it. Have you ever watched YouTube without paying for a subscription? If so then you got a free ride on Youtube, where youtube consumed a lot of your ISP bandwidth.
    Not quite - You're still profiled and targeted for ads on Youtube. Your viewing and browsing preferences are tracked and stored so that's the price you paid for viewing. Ever wondered why even days after watching a video the same type of content gets seeded when you later search for something unrelated? Say, you looked for an instruction video on changing a wheel bearing and later the same week automotive content appears when you're looking for Neil Young clip. The seeded content will be ad-rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Bailey View Post
    Not quite - You're still profiled and targeted for ads on Youtube. Your viewing and browsing preferences are tracked and stored so that's the price you paid for viewing. Ever wondered why even days after watching a video the same type of content gets seeded when you later search for something unrelated? Say, you looked for an instruction video on changing a wheel bearing and later the same week automotive content appears when you're looking for Neil Young clip. The seeded content will be ad-rich.
    Mick, this is exactly correct!
    The very scary reality is that WE, in fact, are the product.

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    Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and most other such organizations support net neutrality. IMO, this is more about people who own the infrastructure trying to both cash in and decide what we see, as if they weren't already making enough money. If they were going broke, I might give some credence to their argument. That's not the case. I see it as a free speech issue. Just another way to control the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and most other such organizations support net neutrality. IMO, this is more about people who own the infrastructure trying to both cash in and decide what we see,.. I see it as a free speech issue. Just another way to control the masses.
    But hasn't that always been the case? I mean, sure, it would be great if the web were modeled after a PBS type format, but even PBS needs to raise money and the content is often limited. With something like the internet it was bound to be more like the early years of broadcast radio or television where everyone wanted to cash in via advertising and a select few entities end up in control of the content. I actually think that if you're smart enough to know that your being "filtered" and can recognize contrived content then what we have now with *oogle, *outube, *acebook, etc. actually offers much more individuality and freedom of content selection than we've ever had in public media.

    And while agree that the big players support neutrality for purposes of greed, I don't even think THAT's a bad thing either. That is, as long as we find value in the product they're offering (not personally, but generally as a culture). The reason is that a successful business model doesn't sit back at some point and say "Hey! We're doing alright. Let's just take it easy and rest on what we've done. We'll just hope that no outside influence buggers our formula, stop trying to find new ways to improve the efficiency of this company and we can all relax and live happily ever after." I'm not sure a company with that mission offer the people something as cool as *bay or *etflix.

    So the way I see it it's just the same old game being played on a new board. I don't really see neutrality as that big a deal because, obviously, SOMEONE is going to govern content and even bandwidth (you don't think that the big players prioritize?). It hardly natters who. As long as I can still get on here and talk with you guys and research things as I do now I'm not worried about it. I have no paranoia that Big Brother is going to limit my content or slow down my system such as I would notice. Do people really think that this whole thing could end up as thought control? Really? There are more of "us" (general public internet users) than anyone else. We buy groceries and stuff ON LINE. Our satisfactory link to the web is secure because WE control the decisions of these entities everyone seems to think are trying control us. If some rich goon or government agency wants downloads faster than me it's going to happen one way or another even now.

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    Friggin' capitalist, you!

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    Ok. That last post was meant as a joke. Saying that, it does bring up a point. How far should capitalism go? Should government never step in and regulate? Should not drug prices be regulated? Should not vehicle emissions be regulated? Should monopolies be regulated, etc. Everyone is entitled to think otherwise, but I think there are times (for public good) that enough is enough and it's Uncle Sam's job to keep things in check, especially when first amendment rights are at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Friggin' capitalist, you!
    I guess so. But only because it's the "system" I was brought up in. Though I've never actually managed to "capitalize" because my moral compass points too true. But I know the culture it supports works (or has) and has afforded me the opportunity to have a life without feeling like I need to compete with every person I meet. Gauging every word and focusing on how I can turn any relationship to my monetary advantage. Bleh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Ok. That last post was meant as a joke. Saying that, it does bring up a point. How far should capitalism go? Should government never step in and regulate? Should not drug prices be regulated? Should not vehicle emissions be regulated? Should monopolies be regulated, etc. Everyone is entitled to think otherwise, but I think there are times (for public good) that enough is enough and it's Uncle Sam's job to keep things in check, especially when first amendment rights are at risk.
    As far as regulation, it's a very unequal system. Consider PharmaBro: as a "good" capitalist Marty Schreckle raised the price of a simple cheap drug by a couple thousand percent, so he could live the high life on his profits. That was OK by gummint regulators. But he cheated his investors and that wasn't all right, so MartyBoy bought himself a couple years in prison.

    On the other hand a different guy who cheated his investors, also failed to pay contractors building his casinos as well as skipping out on lots of other bills, got elected president, and so far it looks like he's making a clean getaway. Go figure. Yes it is an unequal system.

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    Leo, Dude, RIGHT!?!

    Maybe the greed problem is graduated to echelons far greater than media moguls trying to sell detergent, bananas and kitchen lamps? Maybe we should be less distracted by "net neutrality", gay marriage, mandatory vaccinations, cops shooting black kids and Donald Trump as President and focus instead on the REAL danger of thought control. Big pharma, industrial farm and food and (to a lesser degree each day) big oil are managing your life at every turn. It's only because you are use to the limitations that you accept them. And the gauge is adjusted to keep you colluded at every turn. Enjoy watching "Game of Thrones" on HBO and get your work done! Here's a clot of protein sold by a conglomerate with a giant M in their logo. EAT IT!!! You're fine. Get your work done. Oh, look! Pretty colors! I love *acebook :-/

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    I'm not sure how much of that was general thought, how much serious, how much exaggeration, etc. but I'll say this. I do believe the rich and powerful are trying to control the masses. There's a reason they don't support education. Stupid people are easier to control. There's an obvious reason for gerrymandering. There's a reason Trump tries to discredit the media and law enforcement. It makes it easier for him to sell you his lies. Etc., etc., etc. I'm not saying it's a well organized conspiracy, but believe me, those subjects are brought up in those back room caviar and wine board meetings.
    Just like the rich fight for their tax breaks and bonuses, the poor man has to fight for what little he has. If we just continue to just say, "oh, well- that's how it is",...... The only thing surprising to me about it is how many people don't get it and are willing to vote against their own interests.
    And yes, it is class warfare. You need only to look at the distribution of wealth in this country to see what's going on.
    (Soylent Green is people!)
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    I was completely serious (even if three beers in )

    And of course Trumpa Lumpa (oompa de doo) sniggers at how people continue to eat his $h!t. The real worry (for me) is that even the Presidency of the United States of America has been redefined as a distraction from the real governing powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoriated Tungsten View Post
    Hello everyone,

    Have been lurking for a bit, but had to register to comment on this. My excuse is that my guitar is at my local luthier to get a proper setup in order to help my newbie playing as much as possible. So here goes.

    We had the net neutrality debate here in the EU a few years ago or rather, the claims of the ISPs were quickly debunked and laughed out of existence. Subsequently net neutrality was passed as law in the EU parliament and later ratified as the land of the law in the various EU countries.

    Basically you are all being lied to. There is no bandwidth crunch, as there is in fact vast excess capacity on most long distance trunk lines of the 'net. Look up 'dark fiber' at your preferred search engine. This is due to the fact that when you do build new fiber optical links, you don't just put down enough fiber to meet the demand of today. You drop 10 or 100 times the needed capacity into the hole, as the cost of the actual fiber is negligible, compared to the cost of digging the holes and paying the salaries etc. Once the fiber is in the ground, then it is trivial to upgrade the optical equipment at the endpoints as technology improves, thus vastly upgrading the link bandwidth over time.
    . . . .
    This is a very old thread in internet time, but this is part of the picture I got as well. Depending on where you live, there is a huge excess of bandwidth. Verizon wants to triple our bill for us to get a little better service. Now, they have 79.99 a month deals "for new customers ONLY" that have vastly superior service for 50.00 a month cheaper than we're paying. Only for new customers. In fact, they wanted to charge us over 200.00 a month for worse service than the new 79.99 'new customer' package. its an insult.

    I didn't see a piece of the picture that bothers me the most: not only are the few choices big monopolies, but into too many business. What if the service provider is also selling content. What if the internet service provider has spent 10's or hundreds of millions building out a TV service. And you could get, at a vastly cheaper rate (suppose the rate was only the inconvenience of wading through commercial advertisement) to get the same content that Verizon wants you to pay for on their TV content network. Then Verizon would be hard at work, paying their lobbyists in DC to find a way to make you pay for their content one way or another. What better way than to get rid of this pesky, communist, anti American Net Neutrality. I hate the damn term because it reeks of some kind of thing that the republicans would label 'socialist'.

    We had Comcast for a few years, equally lousy company. My wife likes to watch Chinese movies, that she can get streamed from web sites over the internet on her iPad. Lots of soapy movies that the Chinese like. Well, she'd watch one web site, then it would just disappear. I checked out and it worked fine at a friends house. So, I found a proxy, and sure enough, we could get through for a while. It became obvious that Comcast blocks 'free' content providers web sites and has the nerve to lie to you that it doesn't do it.

    So, what about Verizon? Suppose they have some content they want to sell on one of their networks. And you can get it through some web site unrelated to Verizon. What would prevent them from blocking that web site, or slowing it down so that its unusable (like they did with Netflicks and lied about).

    Its a bad thing when the internet service provider also sells content, AND owns the backbone as well. They should not be in all 3 businesses. The TV business should be a completely separate company. The internet service should be a completely separate company. The backbone should also be a completely separate company. There are supposed to be laws that discourage monopolies, but those seem to be ignored for a couple of decades now.

    If our town wants to provide internet service, they should be able to contract with the company that owns the internet backbone. They really can't do that, because Verizon owns the backbone. They cooked up that scheme when the whole Genuity scam when down. So, companies like Verizon are working under the covers to pass laws all over the country preventing towns from providing internet service.

    Articles like these are popping up all over the place:
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...band-networks/

    So, they want to control TV content, sell TV content, streaming movies, control what you can and can't see via the internet, and fix prices on all of the services. What could be wrong with that?

    The gas and power bill analogies break down quickly since 'internet' is vastly more complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Ok. That last post was meant as a joke. Saying that, it does bring up a point. How far should capitalism go? Should government never step in and regulate? Should not drug prices be regulated? Should not vehicle emissions be regulated? Should monopolies be regulated, etc. Everyone is entitled to think otherwise, but I think there are times (for public good) that enough is enough and it's Uncle Sam's job to keep things in check, especially when first amendment rights are at risk.

    I don't know what "capitalism" means. I think the two major sound bytes are used by either side to try to convince us how bad "the other side" is.

    I think we need good regulation, but those seem to be the targets of the groups who don't like being regulated.

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    It's upon us. Net neutrality regulations were rolled back today. I wonder how much things will actually change.
    https://www.npr.org/2018/06/11/61892...s-not-dead-yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_H View Post
    It's upon us. Net neutrality regulations were rolled back today. I wonder how much things will actually change.
    https://www.npr.org/2018/06/11/61892...s-not-dead-yet
    I think I know what they meant with "thrive in a free market", and it's not "pass the savings on to you!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_H View Post
    It's upon us. Net neutrality regulations were rolled back today. I wonder how much things will actually change.
    https://www.npr.org/2018/06/11/61892...s-not-dead-yet
    That is a good question... the broadband providers tell us to trust them: "Don't worry, we will not slow down our competitors" although there is now nothing to prevent them from doing exactly that.

    The first thing that confidence men always say is "trust me!" Speaking of conmen "Sneaky Pete" on Amazon Video is like a modern version of "The Sting", one of my favorite movies from the 70's...

    Goodbye to net neutrality. Hello to an even-bigger AT&T? (Excerpt)
    by Tony Romm [The Washington Post 06/11/2018]


    Two pivotal developments this week could dramatically expand the power and footprint of major telecom companies, altering how Americans access everything from political news to “Game of Thrones” on the Internet.
    • Monday marks the official end of the U.S. government’s net neutrality rules, which had required broadband providers such as AT&T, Charter and Verizon to treat all Web traffic equally. The repeal is part of a campaign by Ajit Pai, the Republican chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, to deregulate the telecom industry in a bid to boost its investments — particularly in rural areas.
    • “I think ultimately it’s going to mean better, faster, cheaper Internet access and more competition,” Pai said in an interview. Others disagree and will challenge Pai in court, while many states are fighting back with their own laws, further muddling the situation.
    •One day after the net neutrality changes, a federal judge is set to rule on Tuesday on whether AT&T can buy Time Warner. AT&T, already the country’s second-largest wireless network, stands to gain a content trove from Time Warner that includes HBO and CNN — leading the Justice Department, which filed the lawsuit, to argue that the company could harm its rivals.
    • The two events in Washington could lead to further consolidation of wireless, cable and content giants, public-interest advocates say. And they fear that behemoths like AT&T might someday prioritize their own TV shows and other content over rivals’. Internet service providers, or ISPs, deny that they would engage in such a practice — yet consumer watchdogs worry that consumers would have little legal recourse if they did....

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...e99_story.html
    PDF of article (to get around monthly paywall limits):

    Goodbye to net neutrality. Hello to an even-bigger AT&T.pdf

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