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    elk twin amp 50 with matching 2x12 cab

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    i have i believe a 1964-67 elk twin amp 50 head and matching 2x12 cab. i aquired it about 4 years ago from a friend who wasnt using it anymore. it has been retubbed and serviced and sounds amazing. probably one of the best sounding amps i have used. the tone is unmatched. problem with it is after it is on for a while it starts to make some hissing and ocassional popping sounds. the tech who cleaned it up said something about the oil filters may need to be replaced for this problem. not sure about this as i am a guitar player and not an amp tech.when you are playing you dont notice the sound until you either stop or are playing lightly. what might this sound be caused by and is it fixable. what is the deal with elk amps. very little info on the net but they seem to be little hidden gems from anyone who has one in working order.i also have a non working elk amp 45 head. looks exactly the same as the 50. are these amps rare? and are they worth anything?
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    It has been a long time since I have but the last time I worked on one I had the distinct feeling it was made at the height of the Vietnam War in some dirty sweat shop in Asia. ... probably hand assembled with slave labor children and maybe with their feet.
    Very amateurish, poor construction, crappy chassis, dubious components and lousy coupling capacitors, that are oil filled and probably leaky now...
    pretty much a super cheaply made amp... similar in basic topology as a Fender Reverb amp but I think with EL34s, no classic eyelet board and incredibly inexpensive parts. And did I say cheap yet?
    I can't remember if they were cathode biased power tube or not though.
    It's good you like it a lot and I've always been able to make them sound good enough but I'd never give anyone a warranty on a repair nor would I ever want to own one.
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    How is the health of your amp?

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    How cool! I'd love to have one just for nostalgic reasons. I've never seen one around my area but would be at home with Silvertones, Montgomery Ward amps, Univox, Sound amps, and all the other knock-offs from the 60's. I'd keep it stock and not use it like a muesum piece. All those weird old parts are a reminder to when the US was #1 and 3rd world countries put together cheap crappy coppies..... those were the good old days...

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    OMG! How cool! ...... What a throw back for an old timer like me. I would have killed for that stuff when I was a kid. LOL

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    the music store in the ad (Ginza Jujiya) is apparently still around and has a website (Ginza is an upmarket area, pricey shops, clubs, etc.) :

    ‹âÀ\Žš‰®ƒn[ƒv•ƒtƒ‹[ƒgƒTƒƒ“bƒn[ƒv‚ƃtƒ‹[ƒg‚̉¹Šy‹³Žº

    with a "harp and flute salon". Prices seem to be high(for I'm guessing 60s?) and the ad says that the option to pay in installments (6/12/20 payments, "the instrument comes with insurance") is possible. Guess this was pricey "boutique" stuff back then. From what I know (wasn't around/born yet, but) there was a big "electric guitar boom", then a big backlash, association with delinquency.

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    WOW! I just joined and what a surprise - Miyuki is spoken here!

    In my travels, I've managed to acquire three Elk Stage-man 1x12's with a pair of EL84's, a couple of Custom Amp 45 heads, a very early 1x8 single EL84 combo and a very cool 'Royal' branded 2x10 combo styled after the aluminum trim Fender era of '68. This one is called the Guitar-Man with control panel screen printed mis-spelling of "Revberb".

    I'll have to get some pics up for you guys.

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    Cool, Its about time someone else shows pictures of their Elks. Let me know if your having any problems and I'll help you thru it or Get you in-touch with a friend of mine who knows almost everything about Elks.

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    I had one of those twin 50's back in 1969. They were a Japanese Fender clone but it had a great sound. Seeing these pictures brings back memories.

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    Here is a Rare Picture for those who have owned Elk Amplifiers, The rare foot-switch and the twin plug. It was inside of a Elk Echo Pro-Sonic that I purchased from Canada.




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    curious what they look like inside. Any chassis shots avail?

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    Guitar Tube Amp Schematics

    I thought that this would answer any questions that you would have on about the Elk, The Custom Amp 30 Schematic is among the material listed,

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    hi thanks, I'm thinking more actual photos of the chassis and not the schematic. I looked over the Elk section at the Dr.Tube site but couldn't find anything. So I googled, and did find (just a little) bit.

    (first one is modded)

    http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/thebluest...1/e1f3f15d.JPG

    http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/thebluest...0/70706a55.JPG

    (this is supposed to be an ELK-ES41, circa 1970) :

    http://park23.wakwak.com/~hayashicraft/DCP00971.jpg

    ƒAƒ“ƒv‚PŒ¤‹†—уNƒ‰ƒtƒgC—

    IME, (as Bruce mentions above) the oil caps seem really poor in terms of longevity (i.e. they always seem to leak--this is based on my buying and testing a number of old ones of various brands) so I would replace them ALL just as a matter of course. I would check any micas (for leakage) also and replace as necessary.

    Elk Pro Sonic:

    PKO‚Ì‹@ÞŠi”[ŒÉ

    sound clip:

    http://www17.plala.or.jp/PKO/elk.mp3

    Not all Elk, but lots of old cool magazine ad pages here (click the blue arrow) :

    £ŒËGALLERY(P[P)

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    Guitar Amp

    This was a site that I went to a year ago that helped. It has the pictures that you require. I sent you to the Dr. Tube site because the schematic and the link above helps identify the layout better since some other capacitors are beneath the board.

    By the way that was an outstanding link for the pictures of the other Japanese historical Guitars and amps that where produced. Some brands I remember seeing in stores for sale in Okinawa and some that I have never seen. Again thanks
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    ahh, I was thinking I forgot one, and the one on the DGB site is the one (I found that I forgot to put a link of) :

    http://www.geocities.jp/dgb_studio/jpg/elk600_01.JPG

    Some brands I remember seeing in stores for sale in Okinawa
    if they were new that must've been a while back (60s?). I suppose you'd know where Koza was.

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    I was station their for two tours for a total of ten years. from 1977 -1981 and again 1983 -1989. Yeah just a bit. Joe Fire, who was mentioned in that Dr Tube article was the only american engineer that had worked at the original factory. He can give you better information than I. I asked him to view this post and eventually he will add a word or two. Cool Guy, really cool. I always surf the web looking for Elks that someone is selling, and they are mostly in Canada. Can't afford them now, but a good hobby is hard to break.


    Vintage ELK TWIN-45 tube amplifier 60's Classified Ad - Ontario Guitars For Sale | InetGiant Ontario, Ontario Free Advertising Website
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    ha, I was there around the same time (I was a young kid). I suppose I might've seen some myself but I'm sure my mind was completely focused on Fenders, Charvel/Jackson type guitars. Found a bit more that looked interesting:

    Elk Deluxe guitar headstock closeup:

    http://iky.cocolog-nifty.com/photos/...3/11/photo.jpg

    オールド・エレã‚* ELKのヘッド: 夢音界

    (Elk Twin Amp 50) :

    http://iky.cocolog-nifty.com/photos/.../07/28/elk.jpg

    ELK

    Some Guyatones, etc. (I suppose might be categorized as "bizzare"?)

    Guitar Collection - on Bass+

    (from that page: wacky Guyatone with an in-built rhythm box) :

    http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/...6324065c7a.jpg

    http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/...f186348352.jpg

    Also, something (odd?) I noticed is that in post #5 (where you posted the old advertisement), the guitars are called Elk, but the amps are called "Echo" (and appear to have Echo logos).

    more Elk (en France) :

    Projet G5 - Amplis lampes DIY - Forums - - Post 4579

    Elk in Holland:

    http://www.uploadarchief.net/files/d...d/p1000198.jpg

    Circuits Online - Forum - Problemen met ELK TWIN 50 gitaar buizenversterker

    Elk in Tokyo (this one is a "Stage-man" and there is apparently a "StageKing" but couldn't find a pic) :

    http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/jemhir...1/716f5873.jpg

    http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/jemhir...6/66d4927b.jpg

    (The amp apparently broke down a while after he used it--not surprising since I think they would really need service!)

    Lastly (arrghh finally found it again!!!) a page with some detailed pics of an old AceTone and two Teiscos:

    http://donbe888.fc2web.com/guitar/main.htm

    a page from one of the sites above with an Echo Amps ad plus some other interesting pics:

    http://f38.aaa.livedoor.jp/~greens/i_collection.htm
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    thanks. Looks cool but it's apparently a pay site.

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    Their forum is not, The squares on the top are dropdown menus to the forum on Guitars brands.

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    ahh, I see thanks. Looks good pretty active forum.

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    interesting Stratocaster clone.

    pic that shows the other side of the funky Elk headstock (plus the rest of the instrument which looks like a Jaguar clone) :

    http://www.genu.co.jp/photos/95ElkDxSB03.jpg

    http://www.genu.co.jp/photos/95ElkDxSB01.jpg

    http://www.genu.co.jp/photos/95ElkDxSB02.jpg

    more Fender-ish Elk (earlier than the Strat copy?) :

    V-Kids

    Elk combo amp apparently with a built-in fuzz tone:

    http://beerjunkie.blog.so-net.ne.jp/...83ABE382AF.jpg

    Elk Viking Bass 105 head:

    http://blog-imgs-24.fc2.com/m/s/b/ms...g-bass-105.jpg

    Elk FD-61 guitar amp head:

    http://blog-imgs-24.fc2.com/m/s/b/msbob/elk_fd-61.jpg

    70s Elk Les Paul type:

    ELK MB-530 ‹Md‚È70”N‘ãƒGƒ‹ƒN‚̃vƒŽd—lƒ‚ƒfƒ‹ƒ}[ƒ”ƒFƒŠƒbƒN‚Å‚·I@53000‰~

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    some Elk catalogue pages and a bunch of other cool stuff:

    Gyatone Catalogue 1972(?) - Rolling 60's

    An Elk ad and some other pages from an iss. of the Japanese "Music Life " mag (1973) :

    http://www.geocities.jp/guitarofworl...IFE1973y1.html

    photos of a couple of pages on an article about older gear in recent Japanese mag:

    ¥¨¥ì¥*¥¤¥ó¥¹¥È¹¥¤*¤³¤Î»Ø¤È¤Þ¤ì¤Ã¡ª - Yahoo!¥Ö¥í¥°

    lots of old MIJ guitars incl. some Elk:

    ¹ñ»º¥ª¡¼¥ë¥É¥®¥¿¡¼Âç¹¥¤*¡Ê£±£¹£¶£°Ç¯ÂåÃæ¿´¤Ç¤¹¡Ë - Yahoo!¥Ö¥í¥°

    Elk combo:

    P1010749.JPG - LAGUNA STYLE

    big pic of Jag type (from a Japanese luthier who reports that the quality isn't very good but is being restored to a more playable state for sentimental reasons--it was passed on from father to son) :

    http://blog-imgs-38.fc2.com/l/o/v/lo...s/P1000277.jpg

    lots of old ad pages from Music Life mag circa 1966:

    ƒ„ƒ@ƒ„ƒ@ƒ„ƒ@‚Ì—¢‹A‚è@@‡B “ДN‚à•Y—¬‚·‚邼ˆ¢–hŠÛ/ƒEƒFƒuƒŠƒuƒƒO

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    Now this was a re-education of some of the great equipment that I had forgotten. This post alone should open some eyes on the question of "If we where alone in producing music equipment" that would cause the eye to stare and bring a smile or a chuckle. Outstanding thread.

    http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/...p?f=10&t=14144
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    Sonic Circus Guitar Amplifier Sale of the Century

    Here is a example of the most Amplifiers of any brand that I have ever come across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by custom_amp_30 View Post
    Now this was a re-education of some of the great equipment that I had forgotten. This post alone should open some eyes on the question of "If we where alone in producing music equipment" that would cause the eye to stare and bring a smile or a chuckle. Outstanding thread.

    OffsetGuitars.com • View topic - A Japanese "Blackface" ELK Stage Man
    I remembered that you said that you wanted internal pictures so here are two site. The Schematic from Dr. Tube and a guy who rebuilt this amp without this schematic. Cheers

    http://www.drtube.com/schematics/elk/es-30.gif
    OffsetGuitars.com • View topic - A Japanese "Blackface" ELK Stage Man

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    Hey there from sunny South Africa ,

    I still have my old Elk Viking 50 with 2x12 cab and foot switch in mint condition ... the old hands around here tell me that there were hunderds of them arround the 70's and 80's in SA,

    peace Attila

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    Red face

    Quote Originally Posted by custom_amp_30 View Post
    I remembered that you said that you wanted internal pictures so here are two site. The Schematic from Dr. Tube and a guy who rebuilt this amp without this schematic. Cheers

    http://www.drtube.com/schematics/elk/es-30.gif
    OffsetGuitars.com • View topic - A Japanese "Blackface" ELK Stage Man
    oops sorry missed this. Thanks!

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    Not as many around here in the USA but a few in Europe and Canada. The market was booming and sales where seen at least one or two every month, now it has dried up so you may be in Luck. Good hunting and please post some pictures of your Viking 50. Welcome to the site.

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    Here is an article that came up on a search.

    SurfGuitar101

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    The Mad Mans work shop. This is my attempt to build that Old Elk Circuit and then to attempt to modify it.

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    Here is my Custom Amp 30 that I purchased from NYC a few years back. The photo was from the G-Base ad file to give credit for a good photo. The Lens cover was missing when I received it, but I had a extra lens from a scrap chassis that I had laying around. The Circuit is from Dr. Tubes website. Any feedback?

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