Toaster Bobbins.

[soundmasterg]

Originally Posted by David Schwab

The toasters have molded plastic bobbins, and the open faced high gain pickups use printed circuit board.

They're all molded now from what I've seen. Its some type of nylonish material...pretty soft. Maybe its bakelite? I don't know. The toasters and high gains use the same basic bobbin with holes drilled in one for the toaster magnets, and they're mounted flush to the underside of the top bobbin, and the hi gains have the same bobbins drilled for a different size to fit the pole-pieces.

The humbuckers are epoxied and have a pair of narrow white nylon bobbins with a thick samarium cobalt magnet underneath. They also have a circuit board of sorts with the leads soldered in at the end. The early ones could get damaged or broken easily like mine did, and the later ones they carried the epoxy right up to the bottom of the board so the wires are more secure.

The newest high gain pickups have a little less winds of 44 gauge and use adjustable pole-pieces and are supposed to be chimier sounding than the older style button tops, but I haven't seen or heard them yet myself.

The new toasters are pretty close to the vintage ones with the longer magnets and the lower winds. They use A5 magnets and I think some of the older ones used other types and 43 and 42 gauge wire, but people like Lollar would know for sure since they see old ones to rewind I'm sure.

Greg

[David Schwab]

Originally Posted by soundmasterg

They're all molded now from what I've seen. Its some type of nylonish material...pretty soft. Maybe its bakelite? I don't know. The toasters and high gains use the same basic bobbin with holes drilled in one for the toaster magnets, and they're mounted flush to the underside of the top bobbin, and the hi gains have the same bobbins drilled for a different size to fit the pole-pieces.

Now that you mention this, yes, I've seen the high gains, and they have those two toaster slots molded in. Are the bridge pickups still phenolic board? Bakelite is actually very hard and brittle. The toasters always did feel like nylon or PVC.

The humbuckers are epoxied and have a pair of narrow white nylon bobbins with a thick samarium cobalt magnet underneath. They also have a circuit board of sorts with the leads soldered in at the end. The early ones could get damaged or broken easily like mine did, and the later ones they carried the epoxy right up to the bottom of the board so the wires are more secure.

Someone posted a picture of the bottom one one here, I think it had a broken coil connection. Was that you?

The newest high gain pickups have a little less winds of 44 gauge and use adjustable pole-pieces and are supposed to be chimier sounding than the older style button tops, but I haven't seen or heard them yet myself.

I haven't seen a new Rick in years.

The new toasters are pretty close to the vintage ones with the longer magnets and the lower winds. They use A5 magnets and I think some of the older ones used other types and 43 and 42 gauge wire, but people like Lollar would know for sure since they see old ones to rewind I'm sure.

That's what I've heard. Hall keep saying they only used 44... but the old toasters don't sound like 44 to me. Larger wire has a looser tone.

[soundmasterg]

Originally Posted by David Schwab

Now that you mention this, yes, I've seen the high gains, and they have those two toaster slots molded in. Are the bridge pickups still phenolic board? Bakelite is actually very hard and brittle. The toasters always did feel like nylon or PVC.

The bridge pickups are the same nylonish material....been that way for like 10 years or more I think.

Someone posted a picture of the bottom one one here, I think it had a broken coil connection. Was that you?

Yeah that was me...still haven't attempted to fix it yet. Possum and Bill Chapin both told me good luck, so it will be a hard one for sure.

I haven't seen a new Rick in years.


That's what I've heard. Hall keep saying they only used 44... but the old toasters don't sound like 44 to me. Larger wire has a looser tone.

I agree.....I had Possum rewind a couple for me, one with 43 up to 9.5k or so, and one with 44PE up to 12k. I think RIC uses Formvar though. Anyway, I've got the 12k 44PE one in my 350V63 right now. It has short A5 magnets and is a high gain that I drilled the poles out of so I can swap magnets at will. I plan to put some fully charged A3 magnets into it, but haven't yet.

Greg

[Harrysong]

Please Brothers, where can I buy the magnets? also I need the meaurements of the bobbin.

[salvarsan]

Originally Posted by Harrysong

Please Brothers, where can I buy the magnets? also I need the meaurements of the bobbin.

Magnets are .25" diameter by 5/8" length Alnico 5 rods.
One of the magnet sources at Sources - Pickupedia
should have the exact size on stock.

The bobbin flats are 2.845" by 0.93",
just under 2-7/16" by 15/16",*
or 72mm by 23.5mm.



Between the flats, the bobbin CORE dimensions are:

0.185" height,
2.165" length,
0.25" width.

Note that the height and length are 1/16" smaller than those of a P90.
You can make a prototype by cutting and regluing a P90 bobbin.
-drh

[Michael Allen]

The idea of using/manufacturing only american made products has a few aspects. A lot of companies outsource to China/India/Mexico/etc. because it is much cheaper. Bigger factories, more cheap labour, less overhead. These companies are not interested in developing the countries they are profiting from. This is pure business and not really political.

So some companies use only american made products or manufacture only in america because it is much easier to guarantee the quality of the product. This is one important point for many companies: quality of product. Can decent products be made overseas? Of course, but in outsourcing I'd wager that the company is probably more concerned with saving money.

Another aspect is supporting local/national economy. Providing local jobs to guys that live around the corner, you know? It would be nice to be able to help develop other nations industries but lets be real here, we need to provide jobs for our locals. If we export all industry, what are we all gonna do for work here?

Of course there are so many issues and this is kind of a can-o-worms topic so I'll just keep it to business aspect. I myself try not to buy anything made in China due to personal objections to the practices of the chinese government. to each his own..

[Harrysong]

Thank you very much, Buddy