Looking for winder for multiple round coils

belwar · 10-17-2009, 07:42 AM

Anyone have a recommendation for a automatic coil winder to run multiple coils at a time? I'm producing a pickup with 8 coils per pickup, and two per instrument and want to automate the process... My wishlist is as follows..

3-6 bobbins per shot
Gear based
Automated traverse
upto 42 awg.

I like vintage machines.

I think there is a few meteor machines out there that might work. Does anyone have a recommendation? I'd like to do the least modding possible. I'd love to get my hands on a gorman 2+2 but I doubt that is going to happen.

Heres a picture of the bobbins

David King · 10-17-2009, 08:37 AM

You can stick all the bobbins on a shaft and put it between centers on a tailstock winder. You just need a narrow tensioner that you can stack up side by side on your traverse.

I'd think it would be easier to automate the loading and unloading of a single bobbin rather than have to do all that manually to a whole stack of bobbins at once and then repeat it every 6 minutes unless you have two winders going side by side at even intervals.

belwar · 10-17-2009, 04:52 PM

I plan on winding REALLY fast. The bobbins are not oblong but circular, so I dont have the normal whipping going on. Im sure I can get into the 6-7000 RPM range, maybe more if I slow start up..

Joe Gwinn · 10-17-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by belwar

I plan on winding REALLY fast. The bobbins are not oblong but circular, so I don't have the normal whipping going on. I'm sure I can get into the 6-7000 RPM range, maybe more if I slow start up..

And slow stop as well.

David King · 10-18-2009, 12:46 AM

Why not just sub these coils out to a firm that has the high speed, automated winding equipment? Cine-Mag? I wonder if the bobbins already exist out there too -waiting to be tapped.

peskywinnets · 10-18-2009, 01:11 AM

Those coils look remarkably similar to ones I was windiing for Hex sustainer research...

(ignore the text - that relates to posting on a UK Engineering forum!)....that's a sewing machine bobbin that I wound copper wire onto!

I've parked the project for the time being, but I had a similar requirement (to wind six bobbins quickly). I'm too tight to sub out (anyway, this is just a hobby for me), so I was going to go bobbinless & wind straight onto the steel core....I even went so far as to get some little jigs made up to allow quick alignment/changing of the parts.

David Schwab · 10-18-2009, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by peskywinnets

Those coils look remarkably similar to ones I was windiing for Hex sustainer research...

Similar, but with a lot more winds and thinner wire.

chevalij · 10-18-2009, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belwar

Anyone have a recommendation for a automatic coil winder to run multiple coils at a time? I'm producing a pickup with 8 coils per pickup, and two per instrument and want to automate the process... My wishlist is as follows..

I know it doesn't do multiples, but my wife's sewing machine would fill a bobbin like that in about 30 seconds

Even traverses nicely !

similar to this

YouTube - Sewing & Fashion Design : How to Wind a Sewing Machine Bobbin

belwar · 10-18-2009, 06:27 PM

Thats pretty facinating. The traversing probably wouldnt work with magnet wire, but im going to go to my local fabric store and give it a try.. I say this product called "The easy winder" which may work if I can mod it to have a counter, and a better tensioner.

Alabam · 10-18-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chevalij

I know it doesn't do multiples, but my wife's sewing machine would fill a bobbin like that in about 30 seconds

Even traverses nicely !

similar to this YouTube - Sewing & Fashion Design : How to Wind a Sewing Machine Bobbin

This was how i used to wind round bobbins when i started pickup making a couple of years ago.
I ended up with with multiple coils with only one start and one end wire.

JGundry · 10-18-2009, 08:47 PM

This winder cost me around $400. It runs on RC servos. I had it set up to do as many as 8 humbucker bobbins but pared it down to 6 because it was not real stable. But I bet you could do 8 round bobbins easy. Dialing it in was a pain but once done it worked flawlessly.I stopped using it when I got the Leesona 102.

chevalij · 10-19-2009, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belwar

Thats pretty facinating. The traversing probably wouldnt work with magnet wire, but im going to go to my local fabric store and give it a try.. I say this product called "The easy winder" which may work if I can mod it to have a counter, and a better tensioner.

There are also winders on ebay specifically for bobbins. Pretty cheap if I remember correctly, and probably easy to modify.

10-18-2009, 08:47 PM	#11
JGundry Supporting Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 552	This winder cost me around $400. It runs on RC servos. I had it set up to do as many as 8 humbucker bobbins but pared it down to 6 because it was not real stable. But I bet you could do 8 round bobbins easy. Dialing it in was a pain but once done it worked flawlessly.I stopped using it when I got the Leesona 102. __________________ www.throbak.com

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10-17-2009, 08:37 AM	#2
David King Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: PDX Posts: 1,017	You can stick all the bobbins on a shaft and put it between centers on a tailstock winder. You just need a narrow tensioner that you can stack up side by side on your traverse. I'd think it would be easier to automate the loading and unloading of a single bobbin rather than have to do all that manually to a whole stack of bobbins at once and then repeat it every 6 minutes unless you have two winders going side by side at even intervals.

10-17-2009, 04:52 PM	#3
belwar Supporting Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 629	I plan on winding REALLY fast. The bobbins are not oblong but circular, so I dont have the normal whipping going on. Im sure I can get into the 6-7000 RPM range, maybe more if I slow start up..

10-18-2009, 12:46 AM	#5
David King Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: PDX Posts: 1,017	Why not just sub these coils out to a firm that has the high speed, automated winding equipment? Cine-Mag? I wonder if the bobbins already exist out there too -waiting to be tapped.

10-18-2009, 01:11 AM	#6
peskywinnets Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 46	Those coils look remarkably similar to ones I was windiing for Hex sustainer research... (ignore the text - that relates to posting on a UK Engineering forum!)....that's a sewing machine bobbin that I wound copper wire onto! I've parked the project for the time being, but I had a similar requirement (to wind six bobbins quickly). I'm too tight to sub out (anyway, this is just a hobby for me), so I was going to go bobbinless & wind straight onto the steel core....I even went so far as to get some little jigs made up to allow quick alignment/changing of the parts.

10-18-2009, 06:27 PM	#9
belwar Supporting Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 629	Thats pretty facinating. The traversing probably wouldnt work with magnet wire, but im going to go to my local fabric store and give it a try.. I say this product called "The easy winder" which may work if I can mod it to have a counter, and a better tensioner.

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