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Reply With QuoteMr. Webb spoke his opinion. I, and many other Americans, have an opinion that is different than his. My opinion is no more "true" than Mr. Webb's opinion.
Just a point of clarification.
I was watching the state of the union last night only to see Dubya say the same crap over again as he always does. Then later after the state of the union, Senator Jim Webb spoke what I feel is the "real" truth going on here in the USA within our current PIP.
Finally some one speaks what I have felt has been going on within the corrupt congress these last years that the Republicans have been in control.
Earmarks spending out of control, spend spend spend, a war that doesn't seem to ever end. I guess its time to stop these rich assholes from raping America by the favors they have done for the big corporations and sending the middle class into non-existence
I sure hope Americans have woke up the political crap that’s been shoveled into your heads from this corrupt PIP.
Lets hope now that the Dems have the majority of congress that they look into impeachment of the head asshole!
My two cents for the morning...
SLO
Mr. Webb spoke his opinion. I, and many other Americans, have an opinion that is different than his. My opinion is no more "true" than Mr. Webb's opinion.
Just a point of clarification.
Your opinion is the minority opinion.
Just a point of clarification.
Not in my neck of the woods.Originally Posted by spiffpeters
Just more clarification.
Hey guys!
What the politicians do to the people in general is always the same, whichever side they're from "squeal boy! squeal like a pig!" (CF deliverance)
Now THAT is a universal truth!
Your provential perspective is indeed a minority opinion within the United States.
You and your neighbors are part of the 30% that actually approves of Bush.
The other 70% of the nation (which is a major majority, BTW), thinks differently than you.
Time to get a taste of being in the minority. I doubt the current majority party will be anywhere near as angry and vindictive as the previous majority party was towards the minority party. I could be wrong, but it would be very difficult to be that angry.
But they are all politicians so who is to say?
Difficulty with any politician is that they can only BE one if you vote for them. As a consequence, they tend to devote more time to figuring out ways to get you to vote for them than they do to being well-informed enough on the issues that you might *want* to vote for them.
I have no doubts that Mr. Bush and many of those he surrounds himself with are very well-intentioned. But when you mix good intentions with insufficient information, and too little wisdom, you get bad leadership and bad decisions. Sadly, the immense PR machine that surrounds this White House (and only a small portion is actually guided by the White House; the rest is just hangers-on who stand to benefit from agreement with the White House) has created more buy-in with the WH policies than was truly justified.
As unpopular, and ill-advised (though I suppose "delusional" is a more appropriate descriptor), as going into Iraq was in the first place, the fact remains that the administration created a mess and has the responsibility of cleaning it up. Part of what will see the USA into the future is a reputation as someone who can be trusted to clean up their messes in responsible fashion. Every single death related to the instability in that region, whether an American G.I., a foreign contractor, some kid standing in the marketplace, some 21 year-old waiting to fill out an application form to join the local police, or even some Shia/Sunni bozo who blows himself up in order to take out some of the other side in sectarian revenge (for the previous bozo who blew up people), pains me. But you can't just walk away from it just like that. You may earn disrespect in other regions for having marched in, but you'll earn even more by walking out. The challenge, of course, is to find a way to help clean up the mess without turning into a military occupier at the same time.
Lest anyone think that I support Mr. Bush, I can assure you that the very fact that he has saddled this hemisphere with that obligation and that segment of the world with the misery, out of some misguided and underinformed notion of "liberty" and secure resources, has earned his perpetual contempt from me.
There is absolutely nothing to applaud in Mr. Bush's comments, but applause or not the ethical obligation still remains to clean up the mess, and on that matter I reluctantly have to agree with him. Sometimes, even bozos recognize what needs to be done. I just wish we didn't have to vote for them first.
Well Casey73, I hope you like that you helped a bozo into office by voting for him. I personally did not vote for bush, I voted for Gore.
Not that Gore was anything special but I read about Dubyas track record with the oil industry before he got elected and it wasn't good to say the least. Gore is receiving the noble peace prize for his work on global warming which shows he does care, do ya think Dubya would have done this?
Just to make it clear, what I post here is my opinion but many folks I know feel and speak exactly the way I feel. I guess there will always be someone who thinks Dubya is just the coolest guy. I would say a majority of America does not think so. The polls show this.
I have been griping about Dubyas actions and policies for years and just now it seems everyone realizes he was a bad choice from the git go.
Never get into a fight unless you are very well informed with what other countries are doing. Viet Nam and Iraq are good points from what we as Americans have learned. I agree with Mark that we do need to clean up the mess, if that’s possible then I would say the way Iraq is going that will take
the next 20 years or so. This will lead to a very bad time here is the states economy wise as its sucking money out of us by a rapid rate.
I'm afraid (America is the shit now), to quote an old saying from the solders from Viet Nam era. And I really wonder how we as a nation can get ourselves back to a good standing with other countries. Today on the local news they said Iraq looks to be now considered in civil war. Not good!
My two cents
SLO
BTW, When I posted about Jim Webb I was referring to how the middle class is shrinking and there is becoming a greater divide between rich and poor.
MY wife and I both have worked to darn hard to fall into poor because of Bush’s policies and war draining the middle class into extinction.
For our own sake, and for the sake of the ME region, the US is certainly obligated to restore order to the region.
The reasons we are there now are several degree's removed from the original rational given. The military has done everything asked of them. Our leaders have failed to manage and prosecute an effective rebuilding of Iraq. Conditions on the ground today reflect the poor decisions made over the past four years. From not having enough boots on the ground initially; not providing security immediately after removing Sadam; not securing Al-Kaka (several tons of military grade high explosives that no doubt fuel todays IED's); not protecting the municipal infrastructures (power, water, sewer, roads); unemployment....
The list is lengthy and no single failure is responsible for the present conditions. But the pattern of poor decision after poor decision by this administration is obvious at this point. To some how expect a fresh approach and better results at this juncture reminds of the saying:"It is a curious brand of optimist that expects a different and better result after making the same mistake time after time".
I don't expect those who are responsible for this fiasco to suddenly have the insight to solve this problem.
As reporter on rueters.com today:
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush will ask Congress for $99.7 billion for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars for rest of fiscal year 2007 and even more than that for fiscal year 2008, a Bush administration official said on Friday.
Bush is seeking $145.2 billion in 2008, including $141 billion for the Department of Defense with additional funds sought for the State Department and other agencies for war-related costs.
The administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said that Bush would estimate the costs for the Iraq war at $50 billion for fiscal year 2009."
Guess who will end up footing this bill. And just who will continue to loan us the money to wage this war?
As for international credibility, this has been sacrificed and its consequences are only beginning to come to fruition. In the future, our authority on the international stage will be greatly diminished.
As for the OP, the expansion of wealth is obscene. Unfettered capitalism is as unhealthly for a society as is unfettered government intervention and regulation. A balance that serves the greatest number of citizens of the society must be met. The middle class is the largest segment of American society, yet are the least powerful and have the least representation at the table. Know any middle class congressmen or administration officials?
Last edited by spiffpeters; 02-02-2007 at 08:58 PM.
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