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    Orange PC-In-An-Amp WTF?

    "Enzo, I see that you replied parasitic oscillations. Is that a hypothesis? Or is that your amazing metal band I should check out?"

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    april fool's? (quickly check date...uhhh..no) lol. I suppose it'd be more interesting trying to think of why they thought that would be a worthwhile thing.
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    There's a lot to work with here...

    1. Do I have to reboot my amplifier between songs?
    2. Will this amplifier produce "The Blue Sound of Death"?
    3. Will McIntosh make one twice as expensive with a better operating system?
    4. Will my amplifier be obsolete in six months and need to be upgraded or replaced?
    5. Can I purchase this amplifier with a downgraded operating system
    6. Will webbots invade my amp and play Rap "music" during my blues solos?
    7. Will my amplifier get slower over time?

    c'mon, join the fun.

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    I guess it was designed SPECIALLY either for Steve Conner, who writes endless lines of code in his day job and plays tasty bluesy licks at night in smoky joints, OR it was a very smart marketing move, recognizing all those "Guitar Hero" or "Guitar Rig" fans out there.
    There are more than you think, I am already getting orders for powered guitar cabinets (Twin sized, 2x12", 2x60W stereo, obviously SS) to be used with notebooks on stage.
    Live and learn !!!

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    where can I find tweaks, upgrades, and cheats for this thing!!!

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    What I'd like to know is if it sounds better when used with NOS "legacy" processors. I hear that 486-based amps have that beautiful "warm" sound.

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    You guys can joke...

    ... but I want one!

    Steve Ahola

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    Clever. But will it sell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyl View Post
    Clever. But will it sell?
    the better question is "Will it blend?"

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    I hear that 486-based amps have that beautiful "warm" sound.
    No Sir: warmest are NOS 8086 XT's, although legendary Django Reinhardt is reputed to have played plugged into a 1936 vintage National Cash Register adding machine in his mechanically recorded "Paris Hot Club " Jazz sessions.
    Of course traditional Koto (琴 or 箏) Japanese players can plug into any abacus (算盤, そろばん) they like.

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    I think the warmest sound would have to come from the old Pentium 4, with its 100+ watt power dissipation. To achieve the high speeds, Intel had to let the chip leak lots of current, so it runs stupidly hot no matter what it's doing.

    I've got a 3GHz P4 here, and it draws 200 watts from the wall plug just idling (250 when processing flat out!) and works as a nice space heater in the winter. And considering the CPU core runs off 1.5V, it must be drawing nearly 100 amps.

    In all seriousness, as Steve A. said, I bet this is going to sell.

    If I ever start another band, "The Blue Sound Of Death" would be a pretty good name, thanks!
    "Enzo, I see that you replied parasitic oscillations. Is that a hypothesis? Or is that your amazing metal band I should check out?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Conner View Post
    If I ever start another band, "The Blue Sound Of Death" would be a pretty good name, thanks!
    How about "The Blue Scream Of Death"? That could refer both to the band and to any Windows user.

    Steve Ahola

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    I forgot to mention, the Apple version is proprietary and will only work with an iGuitar... and it takes a special connector.

    You could run Linix, but you have to write your own guitar drivers to make it work.

    If you have more than one of these in the band, can you network them?

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    seems odd they don't mention the CPU, which is the main interest for PC users.

    I wonder if you can run ReValver/Amplitube/GuitarRig on it so it doesn't sound too Orange...
    looks like a classic:
    "Answer to the Question No one is asking"

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    No Sir: warmest are NOS 8086 XT's
    Big Z80-powered PC's rule when it comes to vintage tone. A Kaypro is perfect with humbuckers while an Osborne sounds great with single coils.


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    I always got a lot of tape hiss backing up my best riffs on my TRS-80.

    But if you think about it we are progressing back toward...

    ... Vacume tube based computing. Yes, that would be the perfect combination. Tube amplifier technology combined with state of the art tube processing technology. With the right set of punchcards, you can play anything.

    Of course, shipping can get somewhat expensive.

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    ... Vacume tube based computing.
    AOpen manufactured for a while a PIV mobo fitted with a sound section using a 6922 dual triode and audiophile-approved components such as Cardas wire and fancy REL Multicap coupling caps...


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    Quote Originally Posted by fyl View Post
    Big Z80-powered PC's rule when it comes to vintage tone. A Kaypro is perfect with humbuckers while an Osborne sounds great with single coils.

    I'm running my Sinclair ZX-81 with a 5" speaker as practice amp. It might be worth it to try an Imsai, but I'm glad they don't make a 3-channel model. Too damn many octal toggle switches as it is.


    Mobos with tubes: Am I the only person who finds the insertion of a heat-generating device in the midst of another device that people strive to keep heat-free a little....um, paradoxical?

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    Mobos with tubes: Am I the only person who finds the insertion of a heat-generating device in the midst of another device that people strive to keep heat-free a little....um, paradoxical?
    You're not: very few people were interested by this silly mobo and AOpen quietly withdrew it from the market.

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    If you do some digging, you will find that this is not the first time Orange has tried this, and the last one was a HUGE flop. Perhaps way ahead of it's time.

    The reality is that all digital modeling amps are nothing more than application-specific computers, albeit lacking the MOBO approach.

    I'll keep my analog stuff, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrfrond View Post
    If you do some digging, you will find that this is not the first time Orange has tried this, and the last one was a HUGE flop. Perhaps way ahead of it's time.
    I just googled "orange amplifier computer" and got twenty zillion hits for the new OPC. If you could provide us with a name or a date it would be much easier to track down. Thanks!

    The reality is that all digital modeling amps are nothing more than application-specific computers, albeit lacking the MOBO approach.
    Yeah, I think it is more of an FU MOFO approach...



    Steve Ahola

    P.S. I think that if you are going to use a computer for recording that it all does end up in a digital format. (I never tried plugging in direct- I like miking a cab powered by a tube amp and running it through a tube preamp and then to the digital audio card. It doesn't sound like a damned Line 6 when I do that!)

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    Hi steve.
    To avoid the clutter, specially on a product as heavily advertised as this one, search blocking the last 4 years or more.
    orange amplifier computer - Google Search
    If in 2004 it was announced:
    Orange Amps | Artists | Between the Buried and Me | Present Artists
    4 Apr 2004 - Orange Amplifiers are proud to announce the launch of the revolutionary all-in-one Computer Amplifier Speaker – The OPC. The . ...
    Orange Amps | Artists | Between the Buried and Me | Present Artists -
    and then we heard nothing about it for a few years, I would agree with JRFrond in calling it "a major flop"
    I guess no actual working model was ever presented, not even a prototype.
    Announcing it in a page dedicated to "buried" artists might explain why it took it so long for it to "see the light"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Conner View Post
    I think the warmest sound would have to come from the old Pentium 4...
    Everyone knows that the reference standard for vintage PC tone will be the 8088-based IBM PC.

    Finally! My old PC will become a valuable, highly collectible, vintage amp. Anyone wanna bid on a 360k floppy drive?

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    it would be cool if you could use that wireless LAN for a cordless guitar hookup to the amp.

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    I got a couple of 4lb 180k single-sided drives in my garage. Now THAT'S tone....although a VIC-20 tape interface comes darn close.

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    I predict floppy disks will be the "new retro" in the future.

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    And 8'" will be hipper than 5-1/4". Diskettes? They are soooooooo 1986.

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    I've actually still got 8" floppies from the days of CP/M.

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    I don't understand why these companies (Muse Research included) don't offer a higher end version of their products. None of these specs are too impressive (4GB RAM, dual cores). I would think that especially with the Receptors you would want to have the ability to run at least 20 VST's at once (Muse claims it runs 14). In the long run, I'm happier with my plain old Gateway laptop and Ableton, which allows me to run upwards of 15 VST's, a soft synth and a drum machine. I would think that Muse would be able to boast something better than that, since they went through the trouble of hiring a dev team to build a custom Fedora installation for them. Forget about the OPC, running "Windows 7 Home Premium"; I just did a completely custom installation of Win 7 for my machine, removing any non-audio-essential components; you wouldn't believe the piles of running processes that it keeps for itself by default, and you're lucky to get 6ms latency on a system that has all that excess still installed. The long and short of it is that if you want to get familiar with the cutting edge, either build your system yourself (including OS!) or be prepared to shell out major bucks to a company like ADK to get a top-of-the-line piece of audio processing hardware (which still needs OS tweaking!).

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    I don't understand why these companies (Muse Research included) don't offer a higher end version of their products. None of these specs are too impressive (4GB RAM, dual cores).......
    Dear Cozy, I think you didn't get it.
    We're not discussing a Desktop CPU here, but the braindead idea of including one *inside* a working guitar amplifier.
    What were they thinking?

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    No, I get it, I just was commenting on the fact that this thing is probably woefully underpowered too, not to mention the fact that it's running a stock OS...

    The world may never know what they were thinking...

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    Don't worry, I was just joking.
    That aside, worst problem is that such a product, even if state of the art at launch time, is certainly obsolete just one year later (speaking of the CPU part, of course), while the "audio" part may be usable for 30+ years.

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