My uneven mismatched nightmare The Apprentice :)

[LtKojak]

Good one LT(Cart)

Damn that spelling control!

[copperheadroads]

A fully charged A5 has a harsh scooped tone ,I you want some more sugar , Degauss the A5
Degaussed A5 sounds pretty nice & "Vintage"

[David Schwab]

so my question is how did they wind pafs at around 8k and use 42awg and alnico5 mag.

Just wind 5,000 turns on each coil. That's a standard PAF recipe. If you want less output, wind less turns. Try 4,500, or 4,000.

And you know, PAFs were bright pickups.

Here's one I would up some years ago:

PAF Neck Pickup

It's on a Strat, but still, it's a bright pickup.

[JCrab]

A fully charged A5 has a harsh scooped tone ,I you want some more sugar , Degauss the A5
Degaussed A5 sounds pretty nice & "Vintage"

Thanks guy's.. I have not learned how to gauss a mag yet,, but I will. Thats good info ona A5 Copper & LT I love that term. There is alot of things to lean about building a pickup I just got to the point where I can wind a nice bobbin with dif hand tension and TPl.

[big_teee]

Sorry if I confused you earlier about the wire questions.
Here is a typical Elektrisola Spool Label.
AWG 42 HEAVY FORMVAR Copper Magnet Wire | eBay
Upper right says Formvar Heavy.
I think Formvar is for Formula Varnish, the Heavy is for heavy double coating.
On the left is .074.
That would be .074mm or in inches that would be
.074 millimeters = 0.00291338583 inches.
That is the OD Outside Diameter of the wire.
If it was Poly or Plain enamel the label would be different.
Not sure what the other hand written numbers are on the Label?
Can you share what is on your wire spool label?
Terry

[JCrab]

Hey,, let's all have a laugh,,, Look at my first post when I thought I was close

[copperheadroads]

Hey,, let's all have a laugh,,, Look at my first post when I thought I was close

I'm still waiting for the results ......of this one .
Jcrab .................I hope you have progressed ...keep us informed

[JCrab]

I'm still waiting for the results ......of this one .
Jcrab .................I hope you have progressed ...keep us informed

I have and the bridge pickup sounds great but unique. Now I have to figure out the neck pickup to match the bridge. I was going to use the same formula but reduce it by %20. Does that sound like a good place to start. Anyone

[big_teee]

I have and the bridge pickup sounds great but unique. Now I have to figure out the neck pickup to match the bridge. I was going to use the same formula but reduce it by %20. Does that sound like a good place to start. Anyone

so what did you end up with the bridge?
I think you were using an A5 magnet?
How many turns did you end up with?
T

[JCrab]

5130 screw 5850 a5 mag.

[copperheadroads]

I have and the bridge pickup sounds great but unique. Now I have to figure out the neck pickup to match the bridge. I was going to use the same formula but reduce it by %20. Does that sound like a good place to start. Anyone

In the neck pickup I would keep the miss match relatively close

[big_teee]

In the neck pickup I would keep the miss match relatively close

I agree, I do symmetrical, the same on the necks.
I like toneful low wound necks, but that is me.
I would wind them 4400- 4600 turns.
Keep the scatter low.
T

[JCrab]

I agree, I do symmetrical, the same on the necks.
I like toneful low wound necks, but that is me.
I would wind them 4400- 4600 turns.
Keep the scatter low.
T

I am using a A5 mag in the neck and bridge,, I like them. How would 44004600 work ?.. I seem to get a nice neck tone in the 5000 turn range. whatya think

[big_teee]

I am using a A5 mag in the neck and bridge,, I like them. How would 44004600 work ?.. I seem to get a nice neck tone in the 5000 turn range. whatya think

That's why we make all kinds. different guys like different tones.
I like hot bridge pickups, and low wind neck P/Us with A2s.
Sounds like you have it worked out.
Let us know what you come up with.
T

[JCrab]

Hey Guy's, My bridge pickup is at 8.49k and I want to try to get it up to 8.7k do you think 100 turns on each bobbin will get me there or is that not enough, I'm ok with unwinding

[JCrab]

Hey guy's. My bridge pickup is 8.49k and I want to try to get it up to 8.7k. Do you think 100 winds on each coil will get me there or over. I'm ok with unwinding

[big_teee]

Hey Guy's, My bridge pickup is at 8.49k and I want to try to get it up to 8.7k do you think 100 turns on each bobbin will get me there or is that not enough, I'm ok with unwinding

Hi JCrab:
Another things to consider, is different bobbins.
Some humbucker bobbins are larger than others.
Some are a little wider, and a little taller.
The bobbin I could always get the most wire on was the ones at GPUSA.
Guitar Pickup Bobbins - Guitar Parts USA
The only thing to watch with these is they seem to flare easily.
So keep your stops adjusted, and watch the tension.
Also they don't have the hole in the bottom for the wire.
I saw a small notch.
I have put 10k of 42SPN on a pair of them.
Good Luck,
T

[JCrab]

That's why we make all kinds. different guys like different tones.
I like hot bridge pickups, and low wind neck P/Us with A2s.
Sounds like you have it worked out.
Let us know what you come up with.
T

Hey, My bridge humbucker is 8.49k and I want to add some turns to each coil to get it up to 8.7. Do you think 100 turns on each coil will get me there or over. I'm ok with unwinding

[copperheadroads]

Hey, My bridge humbucker is 8.49k and I want to add some turns to each coil to get it up to 8.7. Do you think 100 turns on each coil will get me there or over. I'm ok with unwinding

100 turns on each will be pretty close
As long as the temperatures are the same when these readings were & are taken

[RedHouse]

...I have and the bridge pickup sounds great but unique...

That kind'a thing will happen to you all the time, get used to it.

I've made some great sounding pickups over the years (by accident) when I was trying for something else, so I document them and move on because Guitar players (unlike Bass players) are stuck in the perpetual cycle of "I wanna sound like so-n-so" and the minute you say to them "hey I got this great sounding pickup you should try" they usually say "does it sound like so-n-so?" and I digress.

Thats the one thing I do like about the young musicans today (not the metal-shreaders) is they want a new sound, not the same-old-same-old.

[big_teee]

That kind'a thing will happen to you all the time, get used to it.

I've made some great sounding pickups over the years (by accident) when I was trying for something else, so I document them and move on because Guitar players (unlike Bass players) are stuck in the perpetual cycle of "I wanna sound like so-n-so" and the minute you say to them "hey I got this great sounding pickup you should try" they usually say "does it sound like so-n-so?" and I digress.
Thats the one thing I do like about the young musicans today (not the metal-shreaders) is they want a new sound, not the same-old-same-old.

On the double posting, what browser are you using?
I think certain browers are worse than others.
I use firefox, and I never get the double posting?
Welcome to the BC.
T

[JCrab]

That kind'a thing will happen to you all the time, get used to it.

I've made some great sounding pickups over the years (by accident) when I was trying for something else, so I document them and move on because Guitar players (unlike Bass players) are stuck in the perpetual cycle of "I wanna sound like so-n-so" and the minute you say to them "hey I got this great sounding pickup you should try" they usually say "does it sound like so-n-so?" and I digress.

Thats the one thing I do like about the young musicans today (not the metal-shreaders) is they want a new sound, not the same-old-same-old.

It is really nice to hear someone say it T I have windows 7

[madialex]

OK try this, widen the tpl on the slug coil, screw coil 200 turns more loosen up the tension a bit.

[RedHouse]

It is really nice to hear someone say it...

Tip of the iceburg my friend, it only gets better/worse....

Soon you will zero-in on the sound you are after, you then wind a several pickups, life is good. Then a day comes when you need a new spool of wire, you buy some and ...BAM!... you now find your pickups don't sound like the ones you were making yesterday... and you start all over.
(and/or come here and whine about the wire not being the same as most of us do)

Then you zero-in on the sound you are after (again) and just when you find your sweet-spot you run out of some hardware parts and have to buy a new batch of parts (bobbins, or pole screws/slugs, or keepers, or baseplates) and ....BAM!... you now find your pickups don't sound like the ones you were doing yesterday .... and you start all over.

Enjoy it for what it is because it's doesn't get any easier as you go along. At best one learns how to "tweak" things to bring the wire/hardware/winding-process to get yourself back into the tone zone you like to be in. That is why everyone is suggesting that you work with your TPL and Tension and make adjustments to your winding process instead of just throwing you exact turns count's and such.

[LtKojak]

Tip of the iceburg my friend, it only gets better/worse....

Soon you will zero-in on the sound you are after, you then wind a several pickups, life is good. Then a day comes when you need a new spool of wire, you buy some and ...BAM!... you now find your pickups don't sound like the ones you were making yesterday... and you start all over.
(and/or come here and whine about the wire not being the same as most of us do)

Then you zero-in on the sound you are after (again) and just when you find your sweet-spot you run out of some hardware parts and have to buy a new batch of parts (bobbins, or pole screws/slugs, or keepers, or baseplates) and ....BAM!... you now find your pickups don't sound like the ones you were doing yesterday .... and you start all over.

Enjoy it for what it is because it's doesn't get any easier as you go along. At best one learns how to "tweak" things to bring the wire/hardware/winding-process to get yourself back into the tone zone you like to be in. That is why everyone is suggesting that you work with your TPL and Tension and make adjustments to your winding process instead of just throwing you exact turns count's and such.

Word.

[big_teee]

It is really nice to hear someone say it T I have windows 7

Me too.
I don't know if I could go back to the older Operating systems or not.
I used to run linux, and XP a lot. Since I got Windows 7 a few years ago, that is all I run.
I do run Firefox as a browser. Windows Internet Explorer, IMO has always been a weak link.
Hopefully it is better now.
T

[JCrab]

I am at the point of ordering more wire I may order some 43awg and 42awg Just to see what happens. The Tpl that works for what I was after was in the 90-100 and in the 60-80 was a bit on the mushy side, as for tension what I thought was tight was actually way to tight. Looking back on these past few months has been quite a education in figuring out what the hell I was doing. I have made a few cool pickups and I am having a blast thaks to you guy's and all your advice

[big_teee]

I am at the point of ordering more wire I may order some 43awg and 42awg Just to see what happens. The Tpl that works for what I was after was in the 90-100 and in the 60-80 was a bit on the mushy side, as for tension what I thought was tight was actually way to tight. Looking back on these past few months has been quite a education in figuring out what the hell I was doing. I have made a few cool pickups and I am having a blast thaks to you guy's and all your advice

Where were you planning on purchasing your wire?
Get a larger spool if possible.
Like they said then you cut down having to start over, learning the wire.
T

[JCrab]

Where were you planning on purchasing your wire?
Get a larger spool if possible.
Like they said then you cut down having to start over, learning the wire.
T

I have found some 6lb+ on ebay ?, but I am not sure what I am looking for yet in the 43awg.

[big_teee]

I have found some 6lb+ on ebay ?, but I am not sure what I am looking for yet in the 43awg.

Don't forget remington, and if you email them they have different weight spools.
Magnet Wire
I have been using a 6 lb spool of Elektrisola 43 SPN Natural.
It is slick and winds so easy.
Larry at remington, is supposed to be getting some 42 SPN Red.
I'm waiting for a 5 inch roll of it to come in.
If you email them, mention the forum.
T

[JCrab]

Is this what you are using,, cause thats a good price for 6lbs
43 AWG Enameled Copper Magnet Wire Details | Remington Industries

[big_teee]

Is this what you are using,, cause thats a good price for 6lbs
43 AWG Enameled Copper Magnet Wire Details | Remington Industries

Yes that is the same wire.
I have bought 5 different rolls of wire from remington, so far good prices and good products.
T

[RedHouse]

...Get a larger spool if possible...

Yeah get a full size spool if you can afford it, sometimes #42 turns out to be more like #43 after they re-spool it onto those 1-Lb "mini" spools