You got no worries his prices are creeping up there
The quote I got was over $16 a lb ,the he knocked some off & I got it for $13 is a good deal
T..... I bet you get A super discount for hooking him up with some wire...wink,wink
"Pushback" wire is ,Wire with a foreskin.
To be honest I'm quite happy with the results i'm getting with HPN wire & so are my customers
I have an almost full 6 lb spool of heavy Formvar which I paid something like $28 bucks a LB for ...I think I will keep it for restorations or special winds
The hpn is working out great .....................Now we need a cheaper substitute for PE ...haha
"Pushback" wire is ,Wire with a foreskin.
I paid about like you did, but no free shipping here! lolOriginally Posted by copperheadroads
I'm just proud that we have some more wire options.
I know MWS and some have the big accounts, but do you think they are figuring out who Remington is?
T
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Terry
Good to hear, I've got some on the way however I think it's coming by canoe.
I still haven't figured out hot to wind the wire around the Flower Pot?
The 38 gauge is still small and fragile.
Do you turn the pot on a rod or something?
I've got to come up with a better way.
I started 3 times.
Going to try something else.
T
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Terry
I must've said this in the other thread: My winder has drill chucks on both sides so I was able to use the winder and counter, you can just use a drill but you'll have to check the dcr every so often. Drill a hole in the bottom of the pot, try to center it well. Find a bolt ( 1/4'' is good ) with a nut and washer and just secure the bolt to the pot, shaft coming out the bottom obviously. So there you go, easy, the pot will likely turn and wobble quite a bit but just wind slow. The trick is to put a wrap of insulation tape around the pot where the coil is gonna go, even two wraps if you only have 19mm tape, make them overlap so you have about an 1'' of width, make sure the sticky side is facing out, this will hold the wire in place. It takes a couple of minutes to wind 350ohm. Then slide the whole thing off, tape n all, have some small bits of tape already cut and ready so you can put them on at say 12 3 6 and 9 oclock just to hold it all in place, then you can go all the way around winding the tape on nice and snug, it's a bit fiddly but no biggy. See if that works, good luck.
Last edited by Ward; 08-05-2012 at 02:32 AM.
Flower Pot Coil Technology improvement:
Just out, the latest improvement to the design. A piece of wood is now bolted to the bottom of the pot, it now spins in the drill almost perfectly true. Can't wait to roll up more coils. No excuses now T. That's a bit of 1/4'' threaded rod.
Just make something the resembles a pulley for a v-belt but have it that you can remove one side to get your coil out
"Pushback" wire is ,Wire with a foreskin.
I thought of something like that, easy enough with a wood lathe but really this has to be the simplest way to do it with materials easily acquired.
Last edited by Ward; 08-05-2012 at 01:03 AM.
More innovation, for most their winder will have the plate to stick the bobbin too? In that case, simply recess the bolt ( having the head on the outside and the threaded bit on the inside ) into the piece of wood with a spade bit or whatever and double stick tape it to your mandrel. Awesome, now you can use the counter, wind 100 turns and measure the drc, this should tell you roughly how many turns are required for your size pot. Damn
What else is going this fine Saturday evening?
BTW I got my Red SPN today.
It looks pretty good.
T
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Terry
We went to the local volunteer fire department town carnival & are now watching M.Monroe movies on TCM.
Sorry.
Find out what spec's are from the manufacturer ,How many ohm per foot (648.2 Ohm per 1000' according to MWS sheet of 38 gauge wire )
You will need to figure out the circumference of your coil
So if we use Ward's (With a capital W) 16" Circumference you will need 386 turns of 38 gauge +/-
"Pushback" wire is ,Wire with a foreskin.
How is this possible .I was experimenting with a high output humbucker & I was aiming for about 16.5k & I wanted to use 43 gauge wire so I referred to the Good old coil estimator (which I have been using & got to know how to make this work for me to be quite close to my desired output )
so to achieve 8.25 ohm per coil the estimator says around 8500 turns , NOW how did I get to 9k per bobbin without stretching the wire , I know there was no stretching of the wire (my wire tension was measured & actually lowered for the second attempt ,but still pretty much the same output
I guess I should of went with my gut when using awg 43 (1000 ohm's per turn ) works out pretty close
"Pushback" wire is ,Wire with a foreskin.
All of the new Elektrisola except the HPN seems to be small per gauge.
T
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Terry
But, I wound one of my pickups with 7000 turns & came out with the same dcr & my spool of essex wire that I've had for a few years
"Pushback" wire is ,Wire with a foreskin.
That spool of red I got today.
I micd it at around .0025, the smallest wire yet.
I bought some natural a couple weeks back, and it is .0026.
The old roll of essex I have, is over .0027".
I still have some of the essex left, but it breaks everytime I get to winding with it.
So I finally gave up on it and ordered the 2 rolls of Elektrisola.
That small red, I can't wait to wind a mini blade bobbin with it.
It should be the berries!
I took the hummers out of my strat, messing with the A2s and thought I would try the Canceler with them.
I can't wait to get the buckers back in.
I forgot how noisey the SCs are.
My bedroom where I play in the house, has 60 Cycle hum out the Wazoo!
T
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Terry
60 CYCLE hum Is Paramount to great tone
"Pushback" wire is ,Wire with a foreskin.
When I see reference to "British tone", does that mean 50 Hz hum?
After playing quiet pickups, I can't handle it.
I have one local musician that doesn't care about noise.
Then I have another local musician that was used to Actives.
You can't get regular pickups quiet enough for him.
T
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Terry
What about our 38 gauge humcanceler flowerpotcoil ,Can it be in a pedal enclosure ,Or do it need to be near the pups ?
"Pushback" wire is ,Wire with a foreskin.
It needs to be near the P/Us.
It wires between the volume pot and the 5 way switch.
You take the wire off from the vol. pot and the 5 way, and sub the coil
That also means no RWRP, all 3 P/Us have to be the same.
I will get back on the project again later.
T
Last edited by big_teee; 08-05-2012 at 03:49 PM.
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Terry
It also needs to be parallel to the P/U coils.
I'm going to try mine in the control compartment where the switch and Pots are.
It may not work, but if it will, that would be easiest.
I will get back to you on that.
I did find something suitable to wind the coil on.
about a 14 inch per coil, and that will barely fit in the Pot cavity.
T
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Terry
AFPCT: Advanced Flower Pot Coil Technology
I finally got around to winding one of those big humbucker coils last night. Didn't have the right size plastic flower pot, so went with FCT (Food Container Technology), wound on my RGAHC (Rube Goldberg-Approved Hand Crank, pronounced "R-Gahk").
I had a little bit of #38 left over from a repair job and wanted to wind 200 turns at 8" diameter.
Only had enough wire for 140 turns, so now I'm gonna order some #36.
In the mean time, I can play around with the #38 coil and try to figure out how to mount it inside the upper bout of a 3-1/2" deep archtop. I'll have to drop it through an f-hole, then open it into a flat circle & secure it to the front (or back?) of the guitar. I'D APPRECIATE ANY AND ALL SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THIS FEAT. I'm thinking the solution may involve use of an SCU (Simplified Cocktail Umbrella)- which I'll have to invent.
Later,
-rb
Good to see someone else actually doing something n not just yabbering. RB, I've been pondering your plight and haven't been able to come up with anything at all. The coil once wrapped in tape is pretty stiff so the question isn't how do you keep it in a circle but how do you fix it to the wood so it stays where you put it. The first thing you need to ascertain is, does it work, if so are you prepared to permanently fix it to the inside. I would think the 2 F holes ( I presume there are 2? ) will be adequate to be able to fix it to the insides in just those two positions? If so, the only thing that comes to mind is epoxying it in there. Any kind of double stick tape will only be temporary, a few dabs of epoxy through one F hole n then lay the coil in the epoxy, wait to set then do the other side. This is all I can think of, it may not be what you want to do but that's about all I can think of. You'll want to be dead sure the thing warrants permanent installationI finally got around to winding one of those big humbucker coils last night. Didn't have the right size plastic flower pot, so went with FCT (Food Container Technology), wound on my RGAHC (Rube Goldberg-Approved Hand Crank, pronounced "R-Gahk").
I had a little bit of #38 left over from a repair job and wanted to wind 200 turns at 8" diameter.
Only had enough wire for 140 turns, so now I'm gonna order some #36.
In the mean time, I can play around with the #38 coil and try to figure out how to mount it inside the upper bout of a 3-1/2" deep archtop. I'll have to drop it through an f-hole, then open it into a flat circle & secure it to the front (or back?) of the guitar. I'D APPRECIATE ANY AND ALL SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THIS FEAT. I'm thinking the solution may involve use of an SCU (Simplified Cocktail Umbrella)- which I'll have to invent.
Later,
-rb
For Right Now, all I'm going to do, is just Yabber about it!
I wound one, and couldn't get it off the form.
I ended up putting it in the scrap pile.
So I wound, and tried a small coil, and it doesn't suppress much.
So for now I'm going back to my blade buckers.
They have great tone, and absolutely no Hum.
So in my Case, If it ain't broke, There's No Real Reason to fix it!
Hope you other guys have better luck than me.
Maybe I'll try again later, Probably Not!
T
Last edited by big_teee; 08-06-2012 at 11:20 PM.
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Terry
Tho they see, so they are blind.
There is plenty room and space for more than one type of pickup.
Variety is what makes the world go around.
The neck Blades if kept to a low DCR, IMO sound as good as any.
The Blades have less hum than any type of pickup I've tried yet.
Which is a good thing in my noisy bedroom Man Cave! lol
So what else is going on?
Surely there is more going on in the winding community than large coil winding, and making groves in Strat Bodies.
Hopefully someone is making a pickup or two!
T
Last edited by big_teee; 08-07-2012 at 09:01 AM.
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Terry
Just farted around with the coil and guitar in hand- it actually looks like it won't be too hard to install.
I can't mount it to the top, because the two tone bars are in the way. D'oh.
So it'll be a matter of dropping it in, finessing it into position with forceps, and gluing it down with some flexible adhesive.
Maybe I'll get to use neo mags as gluing clamps, oh boy.
Not me. I just try to fix the ones I break.
I've just started the painting process for my next guitar, it's a strat with QUIET SINGLE COILS and it's gonna be candy red sparkle. Start with silver metallic base coat, then coats of trans red then a bit of candy red micro flake in clear, then clear coats. Still haven't received the HPN wire although the mojo order that was placed 6 days LATER is here.
Good luck mate.
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