Daily Run Down, & Round Table-P/Us

[Ward]

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[Stratz]

I just like no stagger, all mags gaussed the same, I don't hear anything untoWard with no stagger.
T, that was hail, not snow.

I prefer no stagger for 12" radius and above but I do adjust the Gauss. I always drop the G string pole by 100 Gauss or so.

Speaking of scratchy pots.
Heres my old Marshall JMP and a couple of my Strats.
I need to pull the chassis and clean the pots.

[Joe Gwinn]

I wound one, and couldn't get it off the form. I ended up putting it in the scrap pile.

One classic approach is to have a form consisting of a circle of smooth springwire pins nailed into a bit of wood. One winds on the pin circle, laces the coil with nylon fishline, then slides the coil off the pins by springing them slightly inward.

Another is two wooden discs, each with a set of smooth pins set at an inward angle. The two discs are mounted on a shaft with pin sides facing. When close enough, the nesting pins form a V-shaped groove into which one winds the coil. The coil is then laced and perhaps taped, and then removed by pulling the two wooden discs apart, freeing the coil.

There are many tricks used for making coils for electric motors.

The completed coil can then be dipped in lacquer and pressed into a slot cut into the bottom of the routed copy.

Be sure to figure out how electrostatic shielding of the cavity will be maintained.

[big_teee]

One classic approach is to have a form consisting of a circle of smooth springwire pins nailed into a bit of wood. One winds on the pin circle, laces the coil with nylon fishline, then slides the coil off the pins by springing them slightly inward.

Another is two wooden discs, each with a set of smooth pins set at an inward angle. The two discs are mounted on a shaft with pin sides facing. When close enough, the nesting pins form a V-shaped groove into which one winds the coil. The coil is then laced and perhaps taped, and then removed by pulling the two wooden discs apart, freeing the coil.

There are many tricks used for making coils for electric motors.

The completed coil can then be dipped in lacquer and pressed into a slot cut into the bottom of the routed copy.

Be sure to figure out how electrostatic shielding of the cavity will be maintained.

Sounds good, but more effort than I wanted on that project.
I thought about a plastic coffee can.
Cut the open end in strips, then put a wooden disk inside the can for support.
Then when your done pull out the disk then tape the coil.
I didn't do that either.
Welcome to the round table Joe!
Terry

[rjb]

One classic approach...

NOW you tell me! Why didn't you post this yesterday?
Oh well, there's always next time.

Timing is everything,
-rb

[Ward]

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[big_teee]

I prefer no stagger for 12" radius and above but I do adjust the Gauss. I always drop the G string pole by 100 Gauss or so.

Speaking of scratchy pots.
Heres my old Marshall JMP and a couple of my Strats.
I need to pull the chassis and clean the pots.

I sure like that White JMP.
Looks Cool!
Did you make the Mini Blade Buckers?
T

[copperheadroads]

I sure like that White JMP.
Looks Cool!
Did you make the Mini Blade Buckers?
T

I wouldn't mind having some kind of white toppers for the mini blades instead of making trying to make them ,I guess I should ask Tom at mojo

[big_teee]

I wouldn't mind having some kind of white toppers for the mini blades instead of making trying to make them ,I guess I should ask Tom at mojo

I would like to see them make some vintage white bobbins.
Just about everyone around here, wants the vintage white knobs and P/U Covers even with a white Pick Guard.
So with the Vintage white, and black I would be happy.
The Black just complicates everything.
T

[copperheadroads]

I would like to see them make some vintage white bobbins.
Just about everyone around here, wants the vintage white knobs and P/U Covers even with a white Pick Guard.
So with the Vintage white, and black I would be happy.
The Black just complicates everything.
T

Yes ....White & vintage white bobbins would work

[big_teee]

Where is everyone?
T

[Stratz]

Where is everyone?
T

Present!

Did you make the Mini Blade Buckers?

Nah, Dimarzio.
I've since removed them and put traditional singles back in.

Nuthin wrong with the flower pot approach, I've wound 8 now and it couldn't be easier n they're dead quite.

Hey Ward. How did you make out with the P-90 guitar and the dummy coil?
Did you ever get it to quiet down? If so, what was the problem/solution?

Rob.

[Ward]

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[Ward]

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[Ward]

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[big_teee]

This is a pickup forum, is there not room to like all kinds?
Getting in a rut don't you think?
I like them all.
I want to try one of those Dirty Finger type Pickups with 3 magnets.
I have all the parts, and want to give it a try, and should be nice and bright.
But first, I have to finish a couple of secret Projects!
T

[Ward]

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[SonnyW]

Where is everyone?
T

I am finally here now, I have been emailing back and forth with my customer tonight on the '65 set. He just got them installed. Good news is he loves the neck pickup. Says it is exactly what he had in mind. That's the one I was worried about the most. Not as good is he isn't as sure about the mid and bridge, he likes them but not as much and not sure if they have THAT tone. Still a little too bright for him. But he says he hasn't had time to fool around much with the heights and such. I had sent him a special wiring diagram to separate the neck tone control from the others so tomorrow I am going to dig into my stash of NOS capacitors and send him a .05 ceramic cap from 1973 that should help the situation on the other two. That's about it, mowed the yard today yada yada yada ....

[big_teee]

I am finally here now, I have been emailing back and forth with my customer tonight on the '65 set. He just got them installed. Good news is he loves the neck pickup. Says it is exactly what he had in mind. That's the one I was worried about the most. Not as good is he isn't as sure about the mid and bridge, he likes them but not as much and not sure if they have THAT tone. Still a little too bright for him. But he says he hasn't had time to fool around much with the heights and such. I had sent him a special wiring diagram to separate the neck tone control from the others so tomorrow I am going to dig into my stash of NOS capacitors and send him a .05 ceramic cap from 1973 that should help the situation on the other two. That's about it, mowed the yard today yada yada yada ....

Do all three have to be the same DCR, or can you add some wire for the middle and Bridge.
I usually make the bridge shorter, and wind it full, that makes it less Ice Picky?
I bet you'll get them worked out.
I always use a .1uf on all pickups, like fender did on neck, and middle.
I do it on Bridge also.
T

[SonnyW]

Do all three have to be the same DCR, or can you add some wire for the middle and Bridge.
I usually make the bridge shorter, and wind it full, that makes it less Ice Picky?
I bet you'll get them worked out.
I always use a .1uf on all pickups, like fender did on neck, and middle.
I do it on Bridge also.
T

They don't have to be any particular DCR. I wound the bridge hotter. I did also make the bridge shorter it was .427 so was the middle, and the neck was .436.
.1uf sounds like a lot, though I know they used that at first. I have tried it and thought it was too dark, but I like them brighter than this guy does. I have some NOS .1uf red dime types maybe I will put one of those in too just for insurance. He doesn't mind to solder and test. I like this guy.

Edit: PS he has already posted a clip of the neck pickup to the facebook blues deluxe group.

[big_teee]

They don't have to be any particular DCR. I wound the bridge hotter. I did also make the bridge shorter it was .427 so was the middle, and the neck was .436.
.1uf sounds like a lot, though I know they used that at first. I have tried it and thought it was too dark, but I like them brighter than this guy does. I have some NOS .1uf red dime types maybe I will put one of those in too just for insurance. He doesn't mind to solder and test. I like this guy.

Edit: PS he has already posted a clip of the neck pickup to the facebook blues deluxe group.

Here's a 60s strat.
The 50s 60s, and 70s all use the .1u Disk Cap.
Attachment 19623
**I like that tone, but may be darker than some like.
Good Night!

[SonnyW]

Here's a 60s strat.
The 50s 60s, and 70s all use the .1u Disk Cap.
Attachment 19623
**I like that tone, but may be darker than some like.
Good Night!

OK - so that conflicted with what I thought and I decided to check it out. A lot of places on the guitar forums and so on the word is that Fender changed to .05uF ceramics in the early 60's. That's wrong. But it was what I was going on. So I decided the best thing to do was to look at photos from collectors if I could find them and see what really was in there. They didn't change to .05 until 1969.

Here's what they used, the best I can tell - 1954-1960: .1uf "phonebook ZNW1P1 paper-wax", 1961-1968 .1uF "red dime ceramic", part of 1968 .1uF "chicklet polyester" (there are both green and red examples), 1969 - 1980's: .05uf tan ceramic. The authority on this is actual photos of the real thing from collectors - you can see some of them here:

1965 Fender Stratocaster guitar 1964 Fender Strat guitar 65 64 collector info vintage pre-CBS

If you scroll down there will be a photo of the cap. Also you can move through the years to the previous and next year at the bottom of the first paragraph.
I know that there are a lot of folks on this forum that have been inside of lots of vintage strats, so If I have any of this stuff wrong I would appreciate being corrected.

So, I do have some of the NOS .1uf red dime types and this morning I got out one of my strats with my other 60s type sets in it and I swapped out the cap to .1. It helped quite a bit. So I am sending the guy a couple of the .1's and a couple of the .05's just in case the .1 is TOO dark for him - which I seriously doubt.

[big_teee]

OK - so that conflicted with what I thought and I decided to check it out. A lot of places on the guitar forums and so on the word is that Fender changed to .05uF ceramics in the early 60's. That's wrong. But it was what I was going on. So I decided the best thing to do was to look at photos from collectors if I could find them and see what really was in there. They didn't change to .05 until 1969.

Here's what they used, the best I can tell - 1954-1960: .1uf "phonebook ZNW1P1 paper-wax", 1961-1968 .1uF "red dime ceramic", part of 1968 .1uF "chicklet polyester" (there are both green and red examples), 1969 - 1980's: .05uf tan ceramic. The authority on this is actual photos of the real thing from collectors - you can see some of them here:

1965 Fender Stratocaster guitar 1964 Fender Strat guitar 65 64 collector info vintage pre-CBS

If you scroll down there will be a photo of the cap. Also you can move through the years to the previous and next year at the bottom of the first paragraph.
I know that there are a lot of folks on this forum that have been inside of lots of vintage strats, so If I have any of this stuff wrong I would appreciate being corrected.

So, I do have some of the NOS .1uf red dime types and this morning I got out one of my strats with my other 60s type sets in it and I swapped out the cap to .1. It helped quite a bit. So I am sending the guy a couple of the .1's and a couple of the .05's just in case the .1 is TOO dark for him - which I seriously doubt.

You say .01, I think you mean .1uf.
I actually got the idea of the .1uf Caps from the forum a couple of years ago.
Then I started looking at all the fender layouts.
One guy said when he switched to the .1ufs and the 250k Pots, that is when he got the SRV tone he was looking for.
I do my tone controls, I put the bridge on the back tone, and put the other two P/Us on the front tone.
The .1ufs sound best with low winds.
If you start over winding, then you need to get smaller.
Good Luck,
T

[SonnyW]

Yeah, dang decimal point in the wrong spot. I fixed it.

[big_teee]

I sit and look at fender guitar layouts a lot.
http://support.fender.com/service_di...7702A_SISD.pdf
Here's the Eric Johnson model.
It also uses the .1uf, but a 1kv version.
That makes the Disk Cap Quite a bit larger.
I just use the lower voltage models.
I usually solder it to the back tone POT.
It usually has more room.
Attachment 19641
T

[rjb]

...Of course there're some that just can't do easy and have to think up something harder and then decide it is indeed too hard

I've got nothing against easy- just thought it'd be fun to employ the lost art of cable lacing. Surely, a craftsman such as yerself can understand that.

My dad showed me eons ago, but I've long forgotten. Will do a bit of e-searching and get a hold of some waxed cord (more old-school than fishing line, I think)- shouldn't be hard at all.

PS- For a measly 200 turns, wrapping around brads nailed into a board wouldn't be a hardship.

[big_teee]

I've got nothing against easy- just thought it'd be fun to employ the lost art of cable lacing. Surely, a craftsman such as yerself can understand that.

My dad showed me eons ago, but I've long forgotten. Will do a bit of e-searching and get a hold of some waxed cord (more old-school than fishing line, I think)- shouldn't be hard at all.

PS- For a measly 200 turns, wrapping around brads nailed into a board wouldn't be a hardship.

You must have seen the waxed lacing string on my pick guard.
I used it for 42 years installing phone offices.
I know about all the stitches if you need any info.
I'll try to find an old handbook somewhere.
T

[rjb]

You must have seen the waxed lacing string on my pick guard.
I used it for 42 years installing phone offices.
I know about all the stitches if you need any info.
I'll try to find an old handbook somewhere.

Thanks, Terry.
I think I've found enough info online- although it might be interesting to take a gander at the handbook.
Hope I don't have to learn all the stitches just to hold a coil in place.

[big_teee]

Here's the 9 ply Lacing twine, like we used in phone office work.
Price pretty good also.
https://www.sourcetelsupply.com/cata...0gskoo4jc3ags7
T

[SonnyW]

Here's the 9 ply Lacing twine, like we used in phone office work.
Price pretty good also.
https://www.sourcetelsupply.com/cata...0gskoo4jc3ags7
T

The lacing seems like the best thing, I have tried just using the acetate tape, looks vintage, but it only hangs in there for a week or two then unwinds unless I superglue the ends down.

Forutnately, I have a good supply of the cable lacing twine, and thanks to my dad who showed me how to do it, and one other forumite who I won't name.

[rjb]

Here's the 9 ply Lacing twine, like we used in phone office work.
Price pretty good also.
https://www.sourcetelsupply.com/cata...0gskoo4jc3ags7
T

That is a good price.
I had some lacing twine somewhere, but can't seem to find it.
For the small amount I need, I'll prolly snitch some waxed cord from my GF's jewelry making supplies.

[big_teee]

I just about have my lastest Mini Blade Baby Bucker finished for my strat.
It is the mildest wind yet. Somewhere in the 5k Range, that is counting both bobbins in Series.
I used the new small diameter Red 42 SPN.
I will pot it today.
T

[Joe Gwinn]

Here's the 9 ply Lacing twine, like we used in phone office work.
Price pretty good also.
https://www.sourcetelsupply.com/cata...0gskoo4jc3ags7
T

The vinyl tape is not what is typically used for wrapping motor (or transformer) windings. What is used is a fabric tape (often cotton) with an adhesive that is compatible with the varnish used to impregnate the coil.

[big_teee]

The vinyl tape is not what is typically used for wrapping motor (or transformer) windings. What is used is a fabric tape (often cotton) with an adhesive that is compatible with the varnish used to impregnate the coil.

I guess your referring to the tape at the site, where I linked the 9 ply lacing twine?
https://www.sourcetelsupply.com/cata...0gskoo4jc3ags7
All the items on that page are supplies for contractors that do Central phone office work.
T

[rjb]

I just about have my lastest Mini Blade Baby Bucker finished for my strat.
It is the mildest wind yet. Somewhere in the 5k Range, that is counting both bobbins in Series.
I used the new small diameter Red 42 SPN.

That doesn't sound like much wire. Are the bobbins smaller than "normal" (I don't know what a mini blade baby bucker is)?
Could you tell us how many turns per coil?