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    Source for mounting plates?

    I know Gibson still makes these for their mini-buckers and even in some cases, for their P90s, so SOMEONE is making them.

    Does anyone know a source for these?

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    Gibson has their own parts made. That doesn't look too had to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Schwab View Post
    Gibson has their own parts made. That doesn't look too had to make.
    I agree.
    Sheet steel and a jigsaw, and your set.
    If your doing lots of them, you could order some strip steel that width, from M. Carr.
    Cut it off and drill holes.
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    Yes, I could rig them up with a saw and a drill. But I am looking for nice die stamped ones. Since Gibson MAKES them, and used to offer them, I was wondering if there is still a source.
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    I wouldn't use regular steel. Either (non magnetic) stainless or nickel silver.

    They look like aluminum. Gibson likes to make weird aluminum parts like this fake pole piece assembly:

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    The picture I provided is a picture of genuine Gibson parts, and those plates ARE steel, magnetic. I just put a magnet to them this morning.

    I really am nnly interested in if there is anyone who has a source or a way of ordering these parts from Gibson. If not, I know I can make them or have them made. I am looking for a way to BUY 50 or 100 from Gibson or 3rd party source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE View Post
    The picture I provided is a picture of genuine Gibson parts, and those plates ARE steel, magnetic. I just put a magnet to them this morning.
    I wouldn't use magnetic steel under a humbucker. In the example above, that aluminum pole piece assembly doesn't help the tone of the pickup. So Gibson does not make the best decisions when designing pickups.

    What purpose does that plate serve anyway? Just something for the mounting screws to fasten to? You can make that out of anything, like wood or acrylic, and use a couple of threaded brass inserts.
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    A P90 typically machine screws into treaded brass inserts. The plate machine screws into those same threaded brass insertand then the mini-bucker machine screws into the outboard threaded holes of the plate. I am not looking to rig something up. I am looking to offer a universal mounting solution for people who have P90s and want to put in minibuckers for my customers. I have aleady offered them various "do it yourself" solutions. I am not looking for a problem solving discussion. I am looking for a source for the plate Gibson has used since 1969 and still uses today. In fact the are using thse plate for their current mini, and they are using a plate like this but with outboard holes enlargened and the inboard holes threaded for P90 on some USA models.

    So, I know how to mount a mini-bucker into a P90 route with wood screws. But, most customes cannot or will not work on their own gutars, and I want to make life easy for them.

    So, I need a source for this plate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE View Post
    A P90 typically machine screws into treaded brass inserts. The plate machine screws into those same threaded brass insertand then the mini-bucker machine screws into the outboard threaded holes of the plate. I am not looking to rig something up. I am looking to offer a universal mounting solution for people who have P90s and want to put in minibuckers for my customers. I have aleady offered them various "do it yourself" solutions. I am not looking for a problem solving discussion. I am looking for a source for the plate Gibson has used since 1969 and still uses today. In fact the are using thse plate for their current mini, and they are using a plate like this but with outboard holes enlargened and the inboard holes threaded for P90 on some USA models.

    So, I know how to mount a mini-bucker into a P90 route with wood screws. But, most customes cannot or will not work on their own gutars, and I want to make life easy for them.

    So, I need a source for this plate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE View Post
    A P90 typically machine screws into treaded brass inserts. The plate machine screws into those same threaded brass insertand then the mini-bucker machine screws into the outboard threaded holes of the plate. I am not looking to rig something up. I am looking to offer a universal mounting solution for people who have P90s and want to put in minibuckers for my customers. I have aleady offered them various "do it yourself" solutions. I am not looking for a problem solving discussion. I am looking for a source for the plate Gibson has used since 1969 and still uses today. In fact the are using thse plate for their current mini, and they are using a plate like this but with outboard holes enlargened and the inboard holes threaded for P90 on some USA models.

    So, I know how to mount a mini-bucker into a P90 route with wood screws. But, most customes cannot or will not work on their own gutars, and I want to make life easy for them.

    So, I need a source for this plate.
    I haven't worked on any recent guitars with P-90s, but the ones I have used wood screws. That's how it was in the 70s with the SGs and stuff. I've also worked on Les Paul Deluxes and they did not have this plate under the pickup.

    The usual mounting was done like this:

    lp_deluxe_pu_mount.jpg

    Either way, Gibson does not buy these from anyone, they make them. So I'm not sure where you are going to find them, unless you buy them from Gibson. You might be able to make something like this from a humbucker baseplate, though it would be simple enough to make from scratch. I'd get a piece of brass and shape and drill and tap it.
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    Yes, that is the other way Gibson has done it. P90s have been mounted with both wood screws and machine screws into brass inserts, depending on year and model of Gibson. And now recently on some 60s tribute Classics, P90 are mounted with the plate:

    Genuine Gibson P-90 Bridge Pickup from a 2012 Gibson Les Paul 60's Tribute | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE View Post
    I will now unsubscribe from this thread. Thank you one and all.
    Sorry, but I don't get this attitude. You make pickups, but you can't go to the hardware store and by a flat steel bar, cut it and drill 4 holes and tap two of them? It doesn't have to be that goofy shape Gibson uses.

    It's nice to just buy ready made parts, but that's not always possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE View Post
    I know Gibson still makes these for their mini-buckers and even in some cases, for their P90s, so SOMEONE is making them.

    Does anyone know a source for these?

    I hope you find your parts your looking for Rod
    I have made a few of the these mounting plate & I pretty much copied what Jason has done in this video
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    Okay, here is the attitude. I asked a simple question. In fact I had to ask it 5 times and STILL you are trying to explain to me how a mini-bucker or a P90 mounts. I KNOW how they mount and the various ways they mount. I KNOW I can make something myself that will work. That is not my question. My question is: Does anyone know of a source for these plates? So, all that is required is 1. Yes, here is the source ________. Or 2. No I do not know of a source. or 3. Do not reply at all.

    Only 7 or 8 years ago you could buy these plates from Gibson retail parts dealers.

    Even after I have explained all this and demonstrated I have experienced several different ways Gibson has mounted minis and P90 through the years, I am still getting suggestions. I want only to know if I can buy these and where. If I can't, I can't.

    I know how to mount minis with spacers, springs and wood screws. But this is the deal I am not the one doing the mounting, my customers or his tech would be mounting them, and THEY often do not have a clue. I do not want to send them some rudimentary, homemade part. These mouting plates would be a professional way to help my customers out. Gibson includes them when you buy their minis, and I would like to as well.

    If I have to go to the bar method that Gibson has used in some years or models I will. It would sure beat having to explain to each customer how to mount them with wood screws.


    Again I am not doing the mounting. And most customers have no idea how to mount a mini where a P90 came out of. If I had their guitar at my shop, I could do it for them, and I would not need a bar or a plate. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS A SOURCE FOR THIS PLATE!
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    Yes, Jason's video is very cool. But it is not like I have my customer's guitar to do this for them. I send them pickups and they install them or have them installed. If customers wanted to ship me their guitars and pay for shipping them back so I could intall their pickups, I would not have started this thread. I am trying to make life easier for my mini-bucker customers. And to have these plates (or even the bars) would be very helpful to them.
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    This thread remings me of:
    Me: "Do you have a screw driver?"
    Other: "No, I but I have a hammer. How about a saw?" Will a wrench do? You can use the edge or a dime as a screw driver. You can make a screw driver out of a steel shaft, grind down one end to a blade and then mould a handle out of epoxy."

    Me: "Alrighty then, thank you."
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    Either you've asked Gibson or you haven't, either they are available from Gibson or they aren't. Clearly no one here is willing to take that step for you.
    From looking at them they would be simple to make with a die to stamp them out. Investing $2-K for a die is a lot of money so you'd want to order thousands or be willing to spend an extra $20 each for a hundred of them. Therefore I'd take some of the free advice you've already gotten and redesign the damn things to make them simpler to make and non-magnetic e.g. by using brass, aluminum or 1/8" thick Forbon or phenolic impregnated cloth (aka bakelite). Personally I think I'd go with forbon as it's so easy to work with and it holds machine threads well. The 1/8" forbon is available from McMaster.com Don't bother thanking me for not answering your question. If you do find out what Gibson charges for these or find a part number, feel free to post it here.
    if you want a bid for someone here to make you a hundred of a simplified plate just say the words.
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    I am not asking for anyone to ask Gibson for me. I am not expecting someone to contact Gibson for me. I am ONLY asking if someone already KNOWS if they are available somewhere. I just do not get it. I am not asking anyone to make them for me. I am asking if anyone KNOWS of a source. There are parts that Gibson sells to dealers or third parites that they do not offer on their site. I was thinking this part may be one of them. They have been offered on sites before. I am not asking for anything other than IF someone already knows of a source. How can I be more plain, or explicit? It is a very simple question.

    I have never seen so many people who cannot understand a simple question. If you do not know, DON'T answer. Or be so kind as to say "I do not know, but I have been wondering the same thing."

    I think maybe a course in reading comprehension is in order for a few of you here.
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    This is a free Forum, What do you expect?
    I don't get the attitude either, we discuss things here.
    You always going to get more info than you bargained for on a Forum.
    That is how all Forums work.
    You filter through the information, and take it or leave it.
    If you are that sensitive to a few additional ideas and ways of doing things, this is probably not the place for you!
    And, to answer your Question with a Yes, or No, So far the NO's Have it!
    No one here, wishes you any ill will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE View Post
    I am ONLY asking if someone already KNOWS if they are available somewhere. I just do not get it. I am not asking anyone to make them for me. I am asking if anyone KNOWS of a source.
    We don't. Sorry. Would you have rather everyone just post "no", or not answer it at all? We are all trying to give you a solution. A lot of us have to make our own parts. It's not that hard. We have no choice though. It's nice to be able to buy pre-made parts, but that doesn't always get you what you want. I wouldn't buy a part that looks like that. It just doesn't seem well designed, and unless you are stamping them out or something, is too complicated for what it does. I'd just take a brass or aluminum bar, cut it to length, and drill a few holes and tap it. Should take no more than 20 minutes. If you make up a drill guide you can churn them out even faster.

    Sorry if that's not what you are looking for, but that's my only answer. I'm sure if we knew a source we would tell you. Even Guitar Fetish pickups had to come up with another way. They use long wood screws, like for Jazz bass pickups, and then put foam under the pickup to press it up. Sometimes customer have to take their guitars to a pro to have pickups installed. That's nothing new.

    If you want to insult people, than maybe YOU should become a real pickup maker. Buying parts off the shelf and winding coils is not the same thing. eBay is full of those pickups. Sometimes you have to MAKE things. If you have customers and are being paid, then do the work.

    You can certainly have those laser cut from thick forbon like David said. Talk to Mojo. It's a one time cheap setup fee and then they are very cheap to have made.
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    Wow we've been on topic for way longer than we usually do. I have a better question in mind, what's everyone's favorite color?
    David, I think you might be going a little bit over the line there, we don't know anything about Skatterbrane's pickups do we? Why antagonize further when it's not really productive? If I were a serious pickup maker I wouldn't necessarily want to take up my time making parts that weren't part of the actual pickup if they were available off the shelf. Do any of us make our own mounting screws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Schwab View Post
    If you want to insult people, than maybe YOU should become a real pickup maker.
    Careful, that has meanings other than what I think you meant.

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    Skatterbraine - no
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    Quote Originally Posted by David King View Post
    Why antagonize further when it's not really productive?
    I was responding to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE View Post
    I think maybe a course in reading comprehension is in order for a few of you here.
    If he wants people to be helpful, lose the attitude. That's a bit condescending, is it not? So I simply replied with a similar attitude.

    A common thing in this forum is people looking for a certain part. We all do it. In the end we tend to have people explaining how to make the part, because they went though the same issue of finding it. This is a proprietary Gibson part. I've certainly never seen one for sale. So as I said, we could have just said "sorry, no, we don't know where to get one" and moved on. The fact that he's getting bent out of shape because people are taking time to try and offer a solution is annoying.

    This IS productive because maybe he will realize he's not getting anywhere with that attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Sulzer View Post
    Careful, that has meanings other than what I think you meant.
    I meant sometimes you have to actually make parts. It's equivalent to people buying parts from Warmoth and calling themselves a guitar maker. Or buying a table from Ikea and calling yourself a carpenter because you have to assemble it.

    Either way I was making a point about forum etiquette. Don't be rude to the people you are asking to help you. So I can be rude too. But that doesn't get anyone anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Schwab View Post
    I meant sometimes you have to actually make parts. It's equivalent to people buying parts from Warmoth and calling themselves a guitar maker. Or buying a table from Ikea and calling yourself a carpenter because you have to assemble it.

    Either way I was making a point about forum etiquette. Don't be rude to the people you are asking to help you. So I can be rude too. But that doesn't get anyone anywhere.
    While we are analyzing?
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    I prefer Sharers.
    Givers on a forum, give out info on a regular basis.
    Takers, Don't share anything but are Hawking around to get all the hot info and scoop of Others.
    Then, Ideally you have those that Share.
    They give and take info, as it is shared on the Forum.
    I would prefer to see more of the Later!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE View Post
    ... I just do not get it. I am not asking anyone to make them for me. I am asking if anyone KNOWS of a source...
    I totally get what you mean Skat.
    (this just isn't really the right venue for that)

    I once worked for a major software company doing some network engineering/support, we had a crew of guys that were all really smart individuals. I found out later that part of the hiring process was a series of questions (we all answered) which was not so much designed to search the depths of one's understanding, but to weed-out the people who offer "alternate" solutions when a specific answer is asked for. They explained later that "creativity" was a great quality, but "accurate and specific response" was golden, I tend to agree, but it's not something I would expect of people visiting an open public forum such as this.

    BTW, my accepted reply to the stumper-question was: "I don't know (at the moment) but can get you the answer..." and their response was "you're hired"
    (they told me later there was no "right" answer to the question)

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Schwab View Post
    That is just bazzar, are the pole pieces (screws) aluminum too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedHouse View Post
    That is just bazzar, are the pole pieces (screws) aluminum too?
    It's a fake mudbucker. It has two mini humbucker bobbins with that blade running through them. On the bottom there are two ceramic magnets attached as they would be on a P-90. They actually have the blades mounted upside-down IMO! They are T shaped, and if you put them in the other way, the blade pokes up higher next to the aluminum thing. The aluminum thing just holds fake pole pieces so when it's in the cover it looks like the old EB-3 pickup.

    Here's what the whole thing looks like:





    I rewound and rebuilt it like this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Schwab View Post
    It's a fake mudbucker. It has two mini humbucker bobbins with that blade running through them. On the bottom there are two ceramic magnets attached as they would be on a P-90. They actually have the blades mounted upside-down IMO! They are T shaped, and if you put them in the other way, the blade pokes up higher next to the aluminum thing. The aluminum thing just holds fake pole pieces so when it's in the cover it looks like the old EB-3 pickup.
    That was a Con Job.
    Did it sound better when you got done?
    Was that made by gibson?
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    if you are willing to buy 50 or 100 pieces just go to david enginnering with a 2D cad drawing and have them cut it- they can deburr and tap the plates and plate them too for cheaper than you could buy them pre made if you could find the source
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    Maybe you can find them in this shop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    That was a Con Job.
    Did it sound better when you got done?
    Was that made by gibson?
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    Yes, from a Gibson SG bass.

    My replacement sounded like a bright single coil which is what the owner wanted. I did not try out the original, but he said it was thin sounding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lee Guy View Post
    Maybe you can find them in this shop?

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