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    Ubuntu?

    Anyone try the Ubuntu Linux.
    I just downloaded the 12.10 Desktop version.
    I put it on a DVD then Loaded it to a USB Thumb Drive.
    I've always used Mandriva, and the Ubuntu runs circles around Mandriva.
    It is very fast, small, but has a lot of basic programs.
    The thumb drive I put it on was a 8gb Scandisk, I got at WalMart for $5 bucks.
    Give it a try if you want something to mess with.
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    I like the Ubuntu ok, looking for something that runs that good and fast, but looks and acts more like Windows.
    On Flash drive #2 I tried first Mandriva, then fedora 17.
    They loaded and ran ok, but seemed very antiquated, and slow.
    I then put on Linux Mint 13 KDE Desktop on Drive #2.
    I liked the OS, but didn't care for the KDE.
    I formatted then Put Mint 13 Mate Desktop on #2.
    It is great, and looks more like a windows desktop, and has the speed and ease of the Ubuntu 12.10.
    I may try the Mint 13 Cinnamon desktop on a 3rd Flash drive, after I purchase some more of the $5 flash drives on sell at Wally World.
    Linux has made great strides lately.
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    I recently got myself one of those Raspberry Pi things. Wish it was able to run Ubuntu, but at the moment there seem to be only a few somewhat reduced distros of Debian it will run.

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    One of my concerns about the various versions of Linux is that I doubt if they will support all of the Windows programs I use. Rather than hope for a good Windows virtual machine in Linux I think that a better solution would be a dual boot setup. I would use Linux mainly for browsing and email, while the Windows partition would run my "real" programs but not be connected to the internet (unless absolutely necessary to register or activate a program.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve A. View Post
    One of my concerns about the various versions of Linux is that I doubt if they will support all of the Windows programs I use. Rather than hope for a good Windows virtual machine in Linux I think that a better solution would be a dual boot setup. I would use Linux mainly for browsing and email, while the Windows partition would run my "real" programs but not be connected to the internet (unless absolutely necessary to register or activate a program.)

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    That is the beauty of a Laptop, and the Usb Flash drive.
    Stick it in and boot to Linux.
    Take it out, and boot to windows.
    Works real slick.
    I don't use a desktop, so don't have that worry.
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    For now the Linux winner IMHO is Linux Mint 13 Maya, with Mate Desktop.
    With some customizing, you can make the desktop very close to the XP desktop.
    Runners up are, Mint 13 with Cinnamon desktop, and then Ubuntu, Fedora, and mandriva.
    There are many others I didn't try.
    May try Lubuntu, and Debian when I get time.
    Here is what Mint 13 Looks like, have a look.
    Linux Mint Debian 201204 with Cinnamon, Mate & XFCE - Perfeck - YouTube
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    I love Linux and I have been using it for a while. I am i Huge computer geek. I have been working in IT for the better part of 8 years and my lap top and home PC are all linux. I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 at home that I am wiping and reinstalling another flavor. On my Laptop I'm running Bohdi Linux which is like Ubuntu lite. There are several version of linux out there. Some great ones can be found. just do a google search for "Distrowatch" its great to get specialy designed flavors of linux. geared to what you need to like. And to top it off they are free! you cant beat that. Other than my wifes computer and my daughters computer every other computer in my house is running linux. There is a wealth of info on home recording with linux out there as well. Just let me know if you need some help with it. I can point you in some really cool directions.
    plain and simple Linux just rules. IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morbe View Post
    I love Linux and I have been using it for a while. I am i Huge computer geek. I have been working in IT for the better part of 8 years and my lap top and home PC are all linux. I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 at home that I am wiping and reinstalling another flavor. On my Laptop I'm running Bohdi Linux which is like Ubuntu lite. There are several version of linux out there. Some great ones can be found. just do a google search for "Distrowatch" its great to get specialy designed flavors of linux. geared to what you need to like. And to top it off they are free! you cant beat that. Other than my wifes computer and my daughters computer every other computer in my house is running linux. There is a wealth of info on home recording with linux out there as well. Just let me know if you need some help with it. I can point you in some really cool directions.
    plain and simple Linux just rules. IMHO.
    Welcome:
    I agreee with most you say.
    I check Distrowatch daily.
    I have tried about 20 different linux versions, in the past month.
    Biggest problems with a lot of them, is they won't run a lot of the different hardware out there.
    Ubuntu, Mint, and a few more have that worked out.
    Also You want a linux that supports auto updates.
    Some of the smaller distros don't update, and what you load is what you get.
    I have tried 3 different versions of OpenSuse.
    None of them will run my graphics card in my new laptop.
    Hopefully as time goes on they will all support more drivers.
    I first download a Live disk.
    If the live version will run and support your hardware, I then load it and go from there.
    Waiting for the new official version of Mageia 3 to come out, but think it will be a few months.
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    I normally dont run the Live CD's I install the full version of Ubuntu making my PC a true linux box. I found that you can find for most video cards. I have an older Nvidia in my main PC so the ubuntu nvidia package works great. I get a really good FPS via "GLXgears" I cant game really because WINE will not play the games I had from Windows. Im not sure what video cards that my 10 year old laptop has but the Ubuntu native drivers work well enough.
    What hardware drivers are you having trouble with?

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    Steve,

    You could work the other way around and use a VM such as VirtualBox (free) in which to run linux. Sounds like this would work for you as your linux use is quite light. You can specify a shared folder to allow file sharing between the OS's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickb View Post
    Steve,

    You could work the other way around and use a VM such as VirtualBox (free) in which to run linux. Sounds like this would work for you as your linux use is quite light. You can specify a shared folder to allow file sharing between the OS's.
    Virtual box and Wine are both interface options.
    On the Live versions.
    If it is something new, I'm not familiar with, I load the live first.
    If I don't like the live and It won't run major hardware like graphics, wireless, etc.
    Then I move on and don't waste my time with a full system load.
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    Big_teeee, Wine is a Windows Emulator, its intended to run Windows based products in Linux Its free of course but its very sketchy Some Windows based software runs flawless but other run with several bugs. From personal experience its mediocre through Crossover is another emulator but its 40$. I've never tried it. I've never heard of Virtual Box but from what it seems its free VM software to run other OS's on a windows computer. Running a live CD will only install a basic set instructions and drivers of a Linux Operating System. This may be why your having trouble with getting hardware to work correctly. especially since a live CD is loaded into memory like a program and memory is volatile meaning that almost nothing is saved. On the other hand Linux to look, feel and seem very alien to those who have ran windows their entire lives. It is however very similar to MAC in some respects. Keep playing with he Live CD's and have fun, thats what linux is for! So Good for you!

    @ Steve, I think what you are doing is great as well the only thing I found hard to swallow was your comment about running "Real Programs" Linux Offers plenty of really good programs that rival those of Windows based and Mac Based. For example, I record my band on a portable mixer and then clean it up and master it on a program called Adour (Garage band) which is free for Windows as well. another Free program written for Linux but available for Windows is Gimp(Adobe photshop). its a really great graphics editor that rivals the competition in my opinion.

    Please dont think that Im tooting my own horn or talking down to you guys because Im a linux guru. Becuase thats not my intention. I understand different strokes for different folks. There are things about windows that I really miss, Like Gaming but When it came time for me yo upgrade from Windows xp, I didnt really want to pay for Windows Vista when Windows 7 was around the corner. So I installed Linux and never looked back.

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    Gig_teee, Have fun with the live CD's Its a great way to get your feet wet with linux. Just keep in mind that they are very basic versions of the OS, sort of like free ware or trial version in Windows. and WINE is a Windows emulator that lets you run windows programs in Linux but it can be very quirky. and the other software mentioned is a VM allowing you to run other OS's within windows.

    Steve, LOL Linux has a bunch of "Real Programs" some even rival the software they minic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morbe View Post
    Gig_teee, Have fun with the live CD's Its a great way to get your feet wet with linux.
    You need to read my whole posts!
    I load the lives to see if I like them before I go to the trouble to load the whole system on my Hard drive.
    I have said that repeatedly in this thread.
    I'm not an engineer, but when it comes to linux, I'm not a novice either.
    I have been messing with linux, off and on for over 10 years.
    Peace, and Read the whole post!
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    my bad sorry,

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    morbe:

    I did say "real" programs in quotes so as to not to denigrate the programs available on the Linux platform which can handle many tasks. There are certain programs and plug-ins I like to use for audio recording, for audio editing, for audio restoration and for mastering- at my advanced age (61) I would rather not deal with learning new programs unless absolutely necessary. Not to mention the money invested in these Windows programs.

    I don't see how using Linux exclusively is any better than using a dual boot scenario with Windows and Linux. Why even bother with WINE (a Windows emulator) when you can have an authentic Windows install on a different partition? One of Windows big weaknesses is its vulnerability on the internet. So why not keep the Windows partition disconnected which would also eliminate the necessity for a real time antivirus scanner (just make sure that any discs or flash drives you insert are free of viruses.)

    Steve Ahola

    P.S. FWIW I think that there are too many versions of Linux out there. I think it would be better if several of the software developers collaborated on a single version of Linux, working out the bugs and coming up with more extensive driver support. For diversity there could be a wide assortment of skins available that would run the basic unified Linux code. With a unified version of Linux I think that more software developers would create programs and ports for the platform. Just my own uniformed take on things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve A. View Post
    morbe:

    I did say "real" programs in quotes so as to not to denigrate the programs available on the Linux platform which can handle many tasks. There are certain programs and plug-ins I like to use for audio recording, for audio editing, for audio restoration and for mastering- at my advanced age (61) I would rather not deal with learning new programs unless absolutely necessary. Not to mention the money invested in these Windows programs.

    I don't see how using Linux exclusively is any better than using a dual boot scenario with Windows and Linux. Why even bother with WINE (a Windows emulator) when you can have an authentic Windows install on a different partition? One of Windows big weaknesses is its vulnerability on the internet. So why not keep the Windows partition disconnected which would also eliminate the necessity for a real time antivirus scanner (just make sure that any discs or flash drives you insert are free of viruses.)

    Steve Ahola

    P.S. FWIW I think that there are too many versions of Linux out there. I think it would be better if several of the software developers collaborated on a single version of Linux, working out the bugs and coming up with more extensive driver support. For diversity there could be a wide assortment of skins available that would run the basic unified Linux code. With a unified version of Linux I that that more software developers would create programs and ports for the platform. Just my own uniformed take on things...
    They have come along way with the Linux.
    Used to, it was hard to get all the computer hardware to run on a single version of linux.
    Your sound may not work or a printer may be screwed up.
    Then they would update it, then something else would be broken.
    The Linux mint 13, and 14 runs everything I'm tried so far.
    I put a bunch of my Office Docs on it and the LibreOffice works great.
    It has a similar word, and excel and Powerpoint program.
    It was all preloaded.
    There is tons of different linux software you can load.
    I'm running the mint 14 Beta, and it does daily updates, getting it closer to the official version when it comes out.
    The dual boot thing is ok, but Your usually never on the right OS, when you do it that way.
    It had been 2 weeks since I''ve run windows.
    I booted it up yesterday, and it took over 30 minutes, before I could use it.
    It had to run updates on everything, including the virus scan.
    I fired the linux back up and it runs circles around the windows 7 loaded on the hard drive.
    Looks like for recording, you would want a dedicated windows desktop for that.
    Then use a cheap laptop with a wireless router, to surf the web.
    Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Looks like for recording, you would want a dedicated windows desktop for that.
    I've always used a dedicated computer for recording and my all-purpose Windows machine for editing and mixing (the stuff that doesn't need real time accuracy.)

    Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve A. View Post
    I've always used a dedicated computer for recording and my all-purpose Windows machine for editing and mixing (the stuff that doesn't need real time accuracy.)

    Thx

    Steve
    Sounds like a nice setup.
    We need Pictures!
    On the linux, I meant to comment earlier.
    One of the install options, is to encrypt the /Home folder.
    Each User has a Home folder account.
    So I guess everything in that folder is encrypted, or maybe just the access to the folder is encrypted.
    I haven't tried that option yet, but think I will next time I do an install.
    Does anyone that's running linux use a encrypted home account?
    Any thoughts?
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    Mu own journey with Ubuntu

    I am certainly not a Linux expert, but find that some distros have matured to the point that it really is a full replacement in an office environment for Windows. I played with early versions years ago but never got into it much. in 2009 and into 2010 my office had grown with a network that had a bizarre mix of Windows versions in 2 languages. The main file server died in 2009, we had it running Windows Server 2003. It was OK but not fast on the hardware it was on. I built up a machine as a new server and tried Linux again. This time Ubuntu Server which was installed as a dumb server, only console control, no graphical interface. I had never done that before but the web was a big help. It not only worked perfectly but in comparison, it screamed. And never went off-line. The software police unannounced visit to check our office computers, they are paid by Microsoft to catch people running unlicensed versions of their products. Here in Russia it is almost impossible to get a legal copy of English Windows so they found a copy of Office on one machine and confiscated all the English Windows machines, even though all but one were legal copies with OEM versions that came with them(since they were bought in the US, I did not know that the license did not extend outside of the US) in the office including my lap top since I could not prove on the spot that I bought it new in the US with a OEM version installed. I had to scramble to replace 8 computers and my laptop just at the beginning of my busiest season. My excellent results with Ubuntu Server 9.04 gave me an opportunity to get all the machines in the office (28) on the same OS at the same upgrade status and keep that way. Over a 3 day holiday, I had access to all the computers and no one a was there to get in the way. I saved personal documents, for each computer to the server, their Outlook PST files were already on the server and wiped all of them clean and installed Ubuntu on 28 desktops with all sorts of hardware but nothing very exotic. I knew the staff who ranged from tech savvy young girls to 55 year old technophobe women, would be shocked by not having windows so I had to learn Open Office quickly so I could answer their questions. That was version 10.04 LTS, and all were set for auto update. There was some grumbling about the different interface but within a couple days, all was normal. The surprising thing was the older workers who were afraid of anything new took to it in stride with no complaints. Two years later I can say that Ubuntu has lowered the cost of computing, greatly increased reliability, made even the oldest machines fly, everyone likes it. Techies grumbled about Unity interface but the girls in the office like it. The user interface is slick, polished and well thought out. Updates keep the machines current and trouble free and the life of the machines have been extended. My laptop is the only Windows/Ubuntu dual boot machine because I have some programs that do not work well in VMWare or Wine. Windows 7 is really pretty good. I particularly like LibreOffice, it just works very well, looks nice and is mature. I have some graphic editing suites like the GIMP but still do most of mine in Adobe Photoshop CS6 on Windows. All my PHP coding is done with a Windows editor as is my web development.
    The best part has been how good Ubuntu handles ALL the hardware drivers with ease, no problems with any device plugged in, including the 6 different model wireless adapters used by the 28 desktops. We finally got the old computers back from the software police even though we did not pay the $25,000 bribe they wanted to get them back. I just sued them and just before it was to go to trial, they brought them back. We did not need then so it was not worth anything to buy them back, all the real data was safe in the server which was backed up by my Ubuntu Cloud dedicated server in NYC out of the country. We have gradually switched most office custom applications to run as services on the Ubuntu Cloud, that way smart phones and tablets can run all the office systems from anywhere. I can process a booking or create tour tickets on my Samsung Galaxy S3 while walking in the park...So, count me on a big fan of Linux on the Desktop.
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    The 'Software Police'?
    Give me a break.
    This planet is f*cked up!
    Make a good name for a thrash band though.
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    I named the thread Ubuntu.
    I've actually moved on to Linux Mint 14.
    It is IMO a wonderful OS, and has a great user friendly desktop.
    I have my desktop configured, very similar to XP.
    Mint 14 loads easily, and everything works.
    Very fast, comes with a nice office suite.
    It doesn't have all the aggrevations associated with Microsoft Windows.
    Give it a try. I run the Mate desktop version.
    Did I mention, It's Free!
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    Russia established an "economic crimes unit just for software piracy because it was demanded by the US(Microsoft) before Russia was allowed to join the WTO. Each member country gets to demand conditions and concessions.
    So pirated software carry some big penalties, particularly for a business, that can be shut down while an investigation is conducted, even if nothing is found. The only thing they are required to look for is Microsoft software. Kiosks in every underground pedestrian crossing used sell CDs and DVDs full of compilations of software for 50 Rubles, (about $1.50) on a theme such as graphics, or C++ and 50 programs or more. All that was confiscated over a weekend when the order came from WTO to stop piracy before the final ratification meeting. By that time however, sales were weak since everyone had all they wanted. Then came bit torrent...... I doubt many people are using pirated Windows OS here because now it comes free on every laptop and desktop. I am happy with all my machines are Linux except my i7 laptop has Ubuntu in serveral versions plus Windows 7.
    I've tried different flavors but keep coming back to Ubuntu. Adding up the 28 desktops, 1 server, my home office 2 machines, plus 3 laptops all running one version of an OS updated automatically, it sure is easier to keep everything working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by km6xz View Post
    Russia established an "economic crimes unit just for software piracy because it was demanded by the US(Microsoft) before Russia was allowed to join the WTO. Each member country gets to demand conditions and concessions.
    Evidently that rule was not required for China to gain Most Favored Nation status as they are the king of bootlegs... The Ukraine finally cracked down on Demonoid last June under pressure from the US.

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    Like a Drunk making AA meetings!
    I can declare that I am Windoz Free!
    I've gone 3 Months without a single Windows Event.
    No XP, No Win7!
    Free, Free at Last!
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    All of the Linux distros out there are basically "skins". They all share the same Linux kernel and drivers. There are two rival package managers, and a whole zoo of window managers. Worst of all, so far Linux has had three sound systems, and as far as I know none of them has been good enough to run a DAW.

    The Chinese might be kings of pirate software consumption, but the Russians are excellent hackers and much better at producing it. That may have something to do with the WTO crackdown.

    My opinion is that free software is now so good that it's hardly worth stealing the paid stuff.
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    There are 4+ package mangagers.
    Debian, Ubuntu based use apt-get.
    Fedora, Redhat, use yum, & OpenSuse runs Zypper.
    Slackware, which I don't use often has a 4th, and think there is another or 2.
    Just reloaded my Wifes old Compaq Presario last week with Mint 14, 32bit.
    It had an ailing copy of XP on it, and the wireless was very slow.
    I made her Mate Desktop, look a lot like XP.
    It is now running about 2-3 times as fast, and the wireless is working great.
    She Loves it. Said it was much easier to run than the Windows.
    I currently run 2 different versions on my PCs, Mint, and OpenSuse.
    If you like Gnome, and I do for Websurfing, I like the OpenSuse the best.
    It uses the Zypper Package commands, and is very fast.
    http://software.opensuse.org/developer/en
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    Here's a pretty good cheat sheet that shows the different Package Management commands for different Linux Distros.
    These are commands from Terminal Command line.
    DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.
    It's really not as complicated as it appears.
    If I can do it, most anyone can!
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    I downloaded "Caixa Magica", another fine version of Ubuntu.
    It is a full featured OS, like Ubuntu, and Linux Mint, but uses the 3.6 Gnome Desktop.
    It comes with LibreOffice, compatible with MS Office.
    If you like Gnome for a desktop, I recommend this one.
    It uses the same Debian based Software update commands. (APT-GET)
    So anything that can be downloaded and installed to Ubuntu, can also be installed on "Caixa Magica".
    Distribution Release: Linux Caixa Mágica 19 (DistroWatch.com News)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Conner View Post
    My opinion is that free software is now so good that it's hardly worth stealing the paid stuff.
    I agree completely. For web, email, CD burning and office applications the linux platform has been mature for a long time. I've been Windows-free since some time in the late 1990s, can't remember exactly when. My only Windependence exception is that I have kept an obsolete Win98 box around just so I can run TurboTax once a year. I considered it a major asspain when TurboTax stopped supporting Win98 a few years ago and made me upgrade to XP -- just so I could run ONE program.

    The audio system is still a major achilles heel for Linux systems. Just as soon as they get it fixed, they change something and break it all over again.
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    Bob P, you should maybe try making an XP virtual machine to run TurboTax.

    I've been using VirtualBox a lot lately. I just got a new machine at work with Win7, but I had already made an XP virtual machine preinstalled with all of my weird obsolete software that I need for embedded development. The changeover was seamless, and it runs pretty fast. VirtualBox can intercept all the USB programming/debugging dongles I use, and pass them through to the virtual machine. As a bonus, I can run the exact same VM on my Mac laptop if I need to go and debug stuff in the field.

    For another project, we are collaborating with a team who use Linux, so I just made another VM with the same Linux distro they use on their embedded hardware. I'm designing a USB data acquisition card for them, and I'll test it using VirtualBox's USB capability.

    Oh and VirtualBox is free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Conner View Post
    Bob P, you should maybe try making an XP virtual machine to run TurboTax.
    virtualization is a good idea. i've been tinkering with virt-manager on linux for quite some time. first there was that hurdle with USB device recognition, then with securely virtualizing network connections. now it's sound. one thing that's always bothered me is that sound always seems to be b0rked in the linux virtual machines. so the path of least resistance has been to leave a win box up and running, so i don't have to fight with a b0rken OS every time I need to do my taxes.

    Do you get full support for sound in virtualbox?

    I have to admit, after seeing what Oracle did with Solaris, I can't say that I trust them to maintain open source solutions.
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    Sound support: Playback works fine, to the extent that I can happily edit audio in Sound Forge on my Mac. I haven't dared to try recording. Since I moved to Win7 as the host, I get error messages saying that it couldn't find "PCM_In" or "PCM_Mic", which don't exactly fill me with confidence.

    If you have a USB soundcard, you could always pass it through to the guest OS, which should take the host OS out of the picture completely. My best audio interface is Firewire, so I'm sort of lost there.

    I think the free version of Virtualbox is a taster designed to get you interested in enterprise deployments of it, which will cost a fine fee.
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    I tried downloading GNU-Cash yesterday.
    I'm no book keeper, but I didn't see much for taxes.
    It used up quite a bit of Drive, so I removed it.
    All of thoseReal Tax programs seem to be Windoz only, maybe some Mac.
    All the Debian, Ubuntu based (APT-GET) systems seem to have more options than the other Linux Systems.
    Can someone explain the Virtual Box Concept? I know nothing about it.
    Also does anyone use the Wine? I've not used any of that either.
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    Big Tee, the idea is to create another virtual computer inside your real one, so you can run two OSs at once. This used to be slow and clunky, but modern hardware is so powerful that you can't tell the difference between the virtual machine and the real one. In some situations the virtual machine can even be faster.

    So, at work I run Win7 as my host OS and that lets me join the corporate network (it's secured so only authorised computers can connect) use MS Office 2013, MS Project, Outlook, surf the net and so on.

    But inside it I run a stripped down copy of XP or Linux to get my software development work done. These guest OSs don't need to access the Internet, so they can run without virus checkers, web browsers etc, which makes them smaller and faster. Also, if they get corrupted for whatever reason, I can restore their virtual hard disks to a known good state. Unlike "System Restore", this really works. I can also move the virtual machines to any other computer running VirtualBox.

    I have a dual monitor setup, and it works nicely with one OS on each.

    Wine is a little different. Instead of creating a whole new machine, it's just a library that converts the Windows functions into the corresponding X-Windows ones. So when your Windows program wants to pop up a dialog box, it might call the MessageBox function. That wouldn't normally exist in *nix, so Wine provides it, and translates it into a call to whatever the equivalent function is in *nix.
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