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    Daily P/U Run Down, & Round Table #2

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
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    As I was about to say on the old thread, Craig (Copper) is probably working the wood grinding seismic line routine and not too near the internet tonight so I win!!! HA. And yes it is a blast to work on that old relic as bastardized as it may be. It does have a great accoustic tone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonnyW View Post
    As I was about to say on the old thread, Craig (Copper) is probably working the wood grinding seismic line routine and not too near the internet tonight so I win!!! HA. And yes it is a blast to work on that old relic as bastardized as it may be. It does have a great accoustic tone.
    There maybe I have it all linked and fixed up.
    I didn't know if he was around tonight or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    There maybe I have it all linked and fixed up.
    I didn't know if he was around tonight or not.
    Last I heard he was out in the field working his other job. Looks great all linked up nice.
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    used 50mm bobbins, keeper bar and enlarged the baseplate screw holes just a little bit.
    Thanks Terry. I think you just solved a problem that I've been trying to get around without buying any new base plates. I'm assuming that both the Mojo 50mm and 49.2mm bobbins have the same spacing for the mounting screw holes. Is this correct?????

    I have a lot of 50mm HB stuff and I need a set of buckers with gold covers and one set with chrome covers (the customer insisted on chrome). Try finding a good quality gold or chrome cover in 50mm.......

    I bought two gold and two chrome 50mm covers from a popular vendor and as I was putting the gold cover on one of the pickups I had my LCR meter hooked up and I watched the Q drop right through the floor. Way too much copper underneath the gold plating. Same thing with chrome covers. Both sounded absolutely terrible. Totally killed the tone of the pickup.
    I got away with using polished nickel covers for the chrome set but it seems that good quality gold and chrome covers only come in 49.2 mm.

    I don't usually pot my humbuckers but if I can get away with drilling a 50mm base plate to take 49.2mm bobbin spacing I'll have to pot at least the lower section (magnet, keeper and spacer) since there's no threaded keeper or base plate to hold everything tight. I hope potting the rigid parts is enough to keep them from squealing.
    Thanks again Terry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratz View Post
    Thanks Terry. I think you just solved a problem that I've been trying to get around without buying any new base plates. I'm assuming that both the Mojo 50mm and 49.2mm bobbins have the same spacing for the mounting screw holes. Is this correct?????

    I have a lot of 50mm HB stuff and I need a set of buckers with gold covers and one set with chrome covers (the customer insisted on chrome). Try finding a good quality gold or chrome cover in 50mm.......

    I bought two gold and two chrome 50mm covers from a popular vendor and as I was putting the gold cover on one of the pickups I had my LCR meter hooked up and I watched the Q drop right through the floor. Way too much copper underneath the gold plating. Same thing with chrome covers. Both sounded absolutely terrible. Totally killed the tone of the pickup.
    I got away with using polished nickel covers for the chrome set but it seems that good quality gold and chrome covers only come in 49.2 mm.

    I don't usually pot my humbuckers but if I can get away with drilling a 50mm base plate to take 49.2mm bobbin spacing I'll have to pot at least the lower section (magnet, keeper and spacer) since there's no threaded keeper or base plate to hold everything tight. I hope potting the rigid parts is enough to keep them from squealing.
    Thanks again Terry!

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    Hey Rob:
    Yes, I bought 4 mojo kits.
    Using 2 on this project.
    I used some 50mm bobbins I had, think they are Guitar Parts USA.
    The brass screws fit fine.
    You have to oblong the holes just a bit.
    I wanted the leg length to be the same.
    I am using bare nickel covers.
    They are like no covers at all.
    Much better sounding than the plated covers IMO.
    I actually used 2 50mm screw bobbins, but drilled one out to .187" on the drill press, for the slugs.
    The guy is putting these in a LP type guitar.
    He liked the idea of the poles aligning better on the bridge with the 50mm Pickup.
    I did order the 49.2, and 50mm Covers, so they will line up and look right.
    I first started using the bare covers on tele neck pickups.
    They didn't kill the tone, and tele necks need all the help they can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Hey Rob:
    Yes, I bought 4 mojo kits.
    Using 2 on this project.
    I used some 50mm bobbins I had, think they are Guitar Parts USA.
    The brass screws fit fine.
    You have to oblong the holes just a bit.
    I wanted the leg length to be the same.
    I am using bare nickel covers.
    They are like no covers at all.
    Much better sounding than the plated covers IMO.
    I actually used 2 50mm screw bobbins, but drilled one out to .187" on the drill press, for the slugs.
    The guy is putting these in a LP type guitar.
    He liked the idea of the poles aligning better on the bridge with the 50mm Pickup.
    I did order the 49.2, and 50mm Covers, so they will line up and look right.
    I first started using the bare covers on tele neck pickups.
    They didn't kill the tone, and tele necks need all the help they can get.
    Good Luck,
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    The bare covers much, much, much better, I can see it on the meter. The Q only drops a little. The bare nickel covers polish up very nicely too.

    I'm actually not sure if the problem with the plated covers is too much copper or if it's the overall thickness that kills the sound but the pickups were unusable with them.

    So I take it you made one double slug pickup. Did you cover that one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratz View Post
    if I can get away with drilling a 50mm base plate to take 49.2mm bobbin spacing I'll have to pot at least the lower section (magnet, keeper and spacer) since there's no threaded keeper or base plate to hold everything tight.
    Rob, you probably only have to enlarge the outside two holes to make everything fit. That is all I end up drilling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratz View Post
    The bare covers much, much, much better, I can see it on the meter. The Q only drops a little. The bare nickel covers polish up very nicely too.

    I'm actually not sure if the problem with the plated covers is too much copper or if it's the overall thickness that kills the sound but the pickups were unusable with them.

    So I take it you made one double slug pickup. Did you cover that one?
    No double slugs.
    I usually buy screw bobbins, then when I need one for slugs, I drill it out with the drill press.
    Strange sounding I know, but I don't make that many humbuckers, and I don't have to stock as many different bobbins.
    I haven't tried polishing the bare covers, I figured that would work.
    Like Sonny said, just oval out the outside screw holes.
    On the plated covers, I take a dremel tool and a sanding disk, and thin the inside of the cover.
    Especially over the slug area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonnyW View Post
    As I was about to say on the old thread, Craig (Copper) is probably working the wood grinding seismic line routine and not too near the internet tonight so I win!!! HA. And yes it is a blast to work on that old relic as bastardized as it may be. It does have a great accoustic tone.
    I would of been all over that 1000th post like a dirty shirt ,but last night I was feeling a little under the weather (It sucks to be wrenching on you machine when it's -30 celcius)
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperheadroads View Post
    I would of been all over that 1000th post like a dirty shirt ,but last night I was feeling a little under the weather (It sucks to be wrenching on you machine when it's -30 celcius)
    Hi Copper:
    This thread may be there before you know it, maybe you can close it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratz View Post
    The bare covers much, much, much better, I can see it on the meter. The Q only drops a little. The bare nickel covers polish up very nicely too.

    I'm actually not sure if the problem with the plated covers is too much copper or if it's the overall thickness that kills the sound but the pickups were unusable with them.

    So I take it you made one double slug pickup. Did you cover that one?
    Have you ever noticed Nickel plated covers are magnetic & bare nickel covers are not
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperheadroads View Post
    I would of been all over that 1000th post like a dirty shirt ,but last night I was feeling a little under the weather (It sucks to be wrenching on you machine when it's -30 celcius)
    Dang Copper, that is cold. I don't think my deepfreeze will even go that low. If it ever got that cold here in Dallas it would probably stop all the clocks. People would be talking about it for years, and the plumbers would all be millionaires. Our all time record low here is -8F (-22C). My knuckles hurt just from thinking about working outside in that. I remember now why I didn't take that job in Minneapolis, back in the days.

    By the way that same customer picked up his 63 strat and he really liked how it came out. Me too. It came out sounding and playing good. And this time he left me a '68 ES335 for a minor restoration, just enough to get it playable again for now. He says he got both of them from his brother. I would love to see what else is in that brother's closet. There is at least one other old one, he said he got three of them from him. He didn't tell me what the other one was yet. The pickups in the 335 look to be the original Pat# ones, but it does look like they have both been opened up at least once. The rest of the guitar looks pretty rough, but seems structurally sound. It has been refinished and stripped back down. Lots of parts aren't original. Speaking of frozen, that's one thing wrong with it - one of the tone pots is frozen, and won't turn and another volume pot has a busted shaft. He wants me to try to replace just the broken shaft, don't know if that is possible or not. The bridge is not original, but it needs work too. The neck is in quite good shape, which seems a little odd, considering the rest of the guitar. It hasn't been reset. I guess it is my lucky week to work on old stuff. I love my job, but it might be years before I see this many vintage guitars again. (Of course if I would have known, I could have bought plenty of them when I was in high school, instead of the Japanese copy type that I did buy and which I still have but it is only worth about what I paid for it then.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonnyW View Post
    Dang Copper, that is cold. I don't think my deepfreeze will even go that low. If it ever got that cold here in Dallas it would probably stop all the clocks. People would be talking about it for years, and the plumbers would all be millionaires. Our all time record low here is -8F (-22C). My knuckles hurt just from thinking about working outside in that. I remember now why I didn't take that job in Minneapolis, back in the days.

    By the way that same customer picked up his 63 strat and he really liked how it came out. Me too. It came out sounding and playing good. And this time he left me a '68 ES335 for a minor restoration, just enough to get it playable again for now. He says he got both of them from his brother. I would love to see what else is in that brother's closet. There is at least one other old one, he said he got three of them from him. He didn't tell me what the other one was yet. The pickups in the 335 look to be the original Pat# ones, but it does look like they have both been opened up at least once. The rest of the guitar looks pretty rough, but seems structurally sound. It has been refinished and stripped back down. Lots of parts aren't original. Speaking of frozen, that's one thing wrong with it - one of the tone pots is frozen, and won't turn and another volume pot has a busted shaft. He wants me to try to replace just the broken shaft, don't know if that is possible or not. The bridge is not original, but it needs work too. The neck is in quite good shape, which seems a little odd, considering the rest of the guitar. It hasn't been reset. I guess it is my lucky week to work on old stuff. I love my job, but it might be years before I see this many vintage guitars again. (Of course if I would have known, I could have bought plenty of them when I was in high school, instead of the Japanese copy type that I did buy and which I still have but it is only worth about what I paid for it then.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperheadroads View Post
    You lucky dog you
    I hope my Epi dot delivers the tone like my epi les paul have ,I will be home in a 3 days to play it
    Try to stay warm. Again dang that is some cold. But I think maybe you are going to like the dot. I am warming up to them a lot, as so many 335's seem to have been coming through here lately. Got to try to get me one soon. (and I need another guitar like a hole in the head btw) I used to think they were too big for me for playing comfort, but getting over that fast, hey they just sound really, really nice, both accoustically and through the amps. I can see now why they have lasted so long. I still like my ES 175TD, and my ES339 but it is getting to be pretty much no contest with the 335's.
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    Round 2, eh? Subscribed! Fun thread. I usually read the update via email from my phone while here or there, so I read more than I reply, but I enjoy watching you guys and your daily adventures. I'll try to contribute more here this time.

    As I said in another thread today, today wasn't about what's on my bench buy what's off of it. I've been working in the shipping/receiving area a great deal. Heck, I'm running out of parts! …of course vendors/manufacturers are slow to respond this time of year too.

    I'm getting closet and closer to independence through self-made parts though, which is a major goal of mine. Full control over materials, tolerances, design, etc. Nothing like it. Not quite there yet, but making progress down that road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonnyW View Post
    Rob, you probably only have to enlarge the outside two holes to make everything fit. That is all I end up drilling.
    Good to know Sonny. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    On the plated covers, I take a dremel tool and a sanding disk, and thin the inside of the cover.
    Especially over the slug area.
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    Thanks for the tip Terry but that's just too much screwing around for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by copperheadroads View Post
    Have you ever noticed Nickel plated covers are magnetic & bare nickel covers are not
    I cant say that I've checked them to see if they're attracted to a magnet.
    I have some 50mm nickel covers coming. I'll slip one over a pickup and if the Q takes a big dive I'll send them back and polish the bare nickel covers myself.
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    Hey Fellow winders.
    It's 42F degrees here, and I'm about to freeze.
    I got used to global warming and the heat!
    Still messing with my So called Modified PAF Set!
    What's new?
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Hey Fellow winders.
    It's 42F degrees here, and I'm about to freeze.
    I got used to global warming and the heat!
    Still messing with my So called Modified PAF Set!
    What's new?
    Actually -40f is -40c
    thats where they are even
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperheadroads View Post
    Actually -40f is -40c
    thats where they are even
    Its +42f here, or 5.5C and I'm still cold.
    What do you have tonight? there in BC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Its +42f here, or 5.5C and I'm still cold.
    What do you have tonight? there in BC?
    Here in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta it's warmed up a bit it's -17C now ........ T-shirt weather
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperheadroads View Post
    Here in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta it's warmed up a bit it's -17C now ........ T-shirt weather
    I guess that depends on how many T-shirts. If you tried to play guitar outside in that I bet your fingers would still stick to the strings.
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    Someone dropped off a '73 Strat bridge pickup tonight with a broken start wire at the eyelet. Gonna try and sneak a turn off the bottom. I just hope it doesn't have any internal shorts any where. Of course it just might after I get done with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratz View Post
    Someone dropped off a '73 Strat bridge pickup tonight with a broken start wire at the eyelet. Gonna try and sneak a turn off the bottom. I just hope it doesn't have any internal shorts any where. Of course it just might after I get done with it
    I've tried that on several, and it never works out for me.
    I hope you have better luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I've tried that on several, and it never works out for me.
    I hope you have better luck.
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    You could always blame it on the Mayan Calendar if it doesn't work. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I've tried that on several, and it never works out for me.
    I hope you have better luck.
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    Well..... for those interested. Final readings @ ~68*f = 5.65k/L= 2.12 Henries.
    Gauss is strong. 850 on the shorter rods and up to 1,075 on the D and G magnets.
    Bobbin height = .436"

    No shorts!
    Pre-heating helps a lot with the lacquer dipped coils too.
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    Agreed there are still two and a half hours left in the Last Day, but here in Dallas, the temperature is currently 49F. It is going to take some major themonuclear energy reaction to get this 6x 10-24KG of mass of earth up to 1250F in that time. I forget my thermo equations at the moment but it seems improbable. It was also today a so called Triple Witching Friday on Wall Street (which could have possibly rivaled the end of the world for some) but there was only minor damage done to my IRA in the range of 1% and it seems now to be of a temporary nature. The fiscal cliff negotiations did seem to break down though. Also most of the true Mayans will probably have a big hangover tomorrow from their parties today, according to my sources. About the worst thing I have seen today was the forum being down a while and my pool pump stopped up three times from leaves blown in by the wind last night. My brother in law did have a few big trees blown down in his back yard that messed up his fence.

    However, the Mayans only said that it would be the end of the 13th Bak'tun, which is the end of an era. It is unfortunately looking to me like the 14th Bak'tun might already be ushering in a different political and religious era. Just Saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratz View Post
    Well..... for those interested. Final readings @ ~68*f = 5.65k/L= 2.12 Henries.
    Gauss is strong. 850 on the shorter rods and up to 1,075 on the D and G magnets.
    Bobbin height = .436"

    No shorts!
    Pre-heating helps a lot with the lacquer dipped coils too.
    Lucky You.
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    Is it safe to come out of the fallout shelter ? ......No reply means everyone is toast
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperheadroads View Post
    Is it safe to come out of the fallout shelter ? ......No reply means everyone is toast
    at -17C I think you have a little more time than the rest of us Craig.
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    OK so Texas (Check) Arkansas (Check) Alberta BC (Check) how about NSW? it is past the date line there IMO.
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    Well it seems like the land of OZ is either toast and we haven't heard yet, or else they are all just sleeping like normal humans instead of late night pickup makers. Somehow, I bet they are A-OK there too. 29 minutes left to go on this Last Day.
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    It's already way into tomorrow, in OZ Land!
    I guess it is summer there, or getting close.
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    Terry

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