i can't say i've encopuntered one like this in the past twenty years, but i haven't been in a car dealership for teh past twenty years Wen i was a kid with my grand ma! But if you don't want the bullshit, you tell the guy to shut the fuck up straight away! I sometimes get ski dealers give me bullshit, and sorry i think, having done that job in teh past, as well as some engineering, mechanics, and plasturgy, a litle of each i agree. I think i know better than most of them. To the local ones, i show my chairlift company jacket, usualy they start to sus something. I am under the opinion that your car dealer was real bad. I think, over here it's not as bas, since most of the people don't like agresive sales techniques. For example, telephone marketing, they get hang onto them pretty fast once i know who they are. And i think most of eurolanders do as well. Phone is private, and in the house, and i think we feel that's an intrusion. Thought i've liked to deal with some of your fellows american. For example, a company who has a bad reputation for bullshiting has always been nice and courteous. That's new sensor. Thought i don't like your internet pawn shops or similar, got stung few times on computer memory. I should say boogie is courteous and helpfull too.