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    Agreed, teee! How do you know when Chump is lying?......His lips are moving.

    I was watching some news again last night. I've become a bit pissed at the media for not calling it what it is...... LYING. They dance around it. Untruths, alternate facts, not completely truthful, etc., etc. I wish they would just f&^%ing say it! He's a liar! No need to sugarcoat it.
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    We have our problems here in Canada as well....however not quite to the extent that you guys have at the moment.....but playboy Trudeau still has s few years left....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Agreed, teee! How do you know when Chump is lying?......His lips are moving.

    I was watching some news again last night. I've become a bit pissed at the media for not calling it what it is...... LYING. They dance around it. Untruths, alternate facts, not completely truthful, etc., etc. I wish they would just f&^%ing say it! He's a liar! No need to sugarcoat it.
    The Fibber-in-Chief often lies with his thumbs, while he's mashing out tweets in the pre-sunrise hours.

    Today's BIG LIE, at his meeting with Kanzler Merkel, that it was Fog Snooze that made the allegation that he was being wiretapped at Chump Tower. NO MISTER PRESIDENT, YOU tweeted that one out 13 lucky days ago. If it was because YOU saw it on Fog Snooze, no excuse, you just proved once again what a soft headed imbecile you really are.

    Not the full four years Terry. Not even four days. As far as I'm concerned, TRUMPUS is fired NOW. I can't wait to see his sorry self in the rear view mirror, another grease spot on the highway of history.

    The Dude, you can read NY Times editorials, they call him on it all the time. What we'd like to see is someone who will yell out at him at press scrums, not just stand there and take the BS storm.
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    He met with German Chancellor Merkel, she asked to shake hands, he ignored her. The asshole can't even bring himself to be polite on a world stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    It amazes me, that some just now get it?
    We've been calling him a narcissist psychopath for going on two years now!
    I think I already posted a link to this article but here it is again- a very thorough analysis of DJT by Dan P. McAdams, a professor and chair of the Department of Psychology at Northwestern University based on his public statements and tweets along with reports of incidents from people he interacted with.

    While practising psychiatrists are bound by the "Goldwater Rule"*** psychology professors are not...

    The Mind of Donald Trump
    by Dan P. McAdams [The Atlantic — June 2016 issue]

    >>> Narcissism, disagreeableness, grandiosity—a psychologist investigates how Trump’s extraordinary personality might shape his possible presidency.<<<
    ... Who, really, is Donald Trump? What’s behind the actor’s mask? I can discern little more than narcissistic motivations and a complementary personal narrative about winning at any cost. It is as if Trump has invested so much of himself in developing and refining his socially dominant role that he has nothing left over to create a meaningful story for his life, or for the nation. It is always Donald Trump playing Donald Trump, fighting to win, but never knowing why.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-trump/480771/

    https://www.evernote.com/shard/s300/...7778875cf973ff

    *** "The Goldwater rule is the informal name given to Section 7.3 in the American Psychiatric Association's (APA) code of ethics,[1] which states it is unethical for psychiatrists to give a professional opinion about public figures they have not examined in person, and obtained consent from, to discuss their mental health in public statements.[2] It is named after presidential candidate Barry Goldwater.[3][4]"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwater_rule

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    P.S. Who in their right mind would call themselves "Dan P. McAdams"?!? With the middle initial included you would expect to see "Daniel". Then again perhaps his full first name IS "Dan". A friend's daughter-in-law was named Aaron, presumably by ignorant trailer trash parents who read the Bible religiously...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I read a rscent survey which showed that many voters didn't/don't know that Obamacare and the ACA are one in the same- a large portion of these people are less educated white folk who voted for Chump- the ones that could be heard cheering when repealing Obamacare was brought up. Now that they realize he was talking about the very ACA insurance they are on, they're having buyer's remorse. Sadly, these people are allowed to vote.
    Here is an article about that poll...

    Poll shows over one third of Americans don’t know “Obamacare” and the “Affordable Care Act” are the same thing
    by Ilya Somin [Washington Post 02/08/2017]
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...he-same-thing/

    Rather than call those people stupid I would say that they were brainwashed by Fox News, et al. When you hear the same lies over and over again even the smartest people might consider them to be the truth...

    I miss the days before the FCC dropped the Fairness Doctrine...

    The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was — in the Commission's view — honest, equitable, and balanced. The FCC, which was believed to have been under pressure from then President Ronald Reagan, eliminated the Doctrine in 1987. The FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine, in August of 2011.[1]
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

    [1] FCC finally kills off fairness doctrine - POLITICO

    There is no point in reinstating the Fairness Doctrine now since many if not most people get their news from the internet these days...

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    Kommisars!!

    Trump has now installed loyalty monitors in the cabinet offices. They report on the activities of the cabinet secretaries directly to the White House.


    White House installs political aides at Cabinet agencies to be Trump?s eyes and ears
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    Theoretically, bureaucrats are supposed to be able to, and should be encouraged to, "speak truth to power", but carry out their duties in a politically impartial manner. In other words, you provide the best advice you can to the folks who were elected (or their appointees), including the sort of advice that will help them to steer clear of disaster or unnecessary expense or risk. The appointees are expected to listen and consider that advice, though not required to act on it. Once executive decisions have been made, however, you carry out your marching orders faithfully. The underlying principle is that elected officials and governments come and go, but public servants can be in the saddle for a long time; much longer than many politicians, and certainly longer than a two-term president. Citizens have the right to expect that the people who served during the last administration will not show favour or disfavour to the folks in power now, or attempt to interfere in any way. As citizens, they can certainly grumble, and vote with their conscience, but as public servants they do the job asked of them.

    So when political aides have to be installed to keep an eye on public servants, that reflects both a rift between the executive/legislative branches and the bureaucracy, in terms of policy orientation and sense of collaborative effort, and a degree of paranoia in the executive branch. If you can't achieve buy-in from the bureaucracy, you're going to have problems in implementation. Subordinates need to be able to think like management in order to anticipate what needs to be done, so as to accomplish it. If management's thinking makes no sense to subordinates, less will get accomplished. It's not a question of loyalty, at that point, but a matter of coherence.

    Full disclosure: I'm tasked with shaping survey questions to monitor the political impartiality of the Canadian federal bureaucracy; similar to what the Merit Systems Protection Board in DC does in their surveys ( https://www.mspb.gov/MSPBSEARCH/view...cation=ACROBAT ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Kommisars!! Trump has now installed loyalty monitors in the cabinet offices. They report on the activities of the cabinet secretaries directly to the White House.
    I wonder where he got that idea?



    Alles klar Herr Kommissar! We are now the U.S. S.S.R.!
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    You can´t even *dream* of having a leader as strong as Stalin so stop wishing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    You can´t even *dream* of having a leader as strong as Stalin so stop wishing.
    I think I know someone who thinks he'd like to be . . . strong as "Joe Steel." In reality, a chump made of dime store fake golden glitter.

    Today's congressional hearing, wow, I heard the sound of a lot of pants getting pulled down, so to speak. What these guys couldn't talk about, says a lot!

    What next, a night of the long knives, or a nice juicy impeachment and removal proceeding? Couldn't happen soon enough for me. He can have the honor(?) of serving the second shortest term of any U.S. President.

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    Todays Hearings, should have put the tweeter in chief's wiretap crap to rest!
    I'm sure Trump and Spicer will keep Lying about it though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I'm sure Trump and Spicer will keep Lying about it though!
    100% right Terry. TRUMPUS tapped out tweets while the hearings were in progress, and Spicey gave the press corps his usual mealy-mouthed excuses right afterwards. What do you expect, these bozos are NOT going to change their tune.

    Stay tuned for more. It was fun listening.

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    It's not just the President and the Press Secretary. As was noted by several commentators on Fareed Zakaria yesterday, there are a lot of folks in Senate and Congress who have to pretend like golden wisdom is flowing out of the White House, when they know the reality is far from that. At one level, they have an understandable desire to maintain the appearance of party unity. At another level, like him or not, the President represents the country, and the United States' dealings with other nations depends partly on the leaders having some degree of respect, whether deserved or not. Which means you gotta fake respect and being onside for the sake of country. So they hope that he backs off on the nonsense, just to make their job easier, since as much as they're trying to save face, at a certain point that face will break.

    And if the President is unable to change his ways and be a leader, rather than a "morning zoo" shock-jock radio host, at a certain point, elected members are going tostart wondering whether their unwavering support of what is unsupportable will be noticed as such by their constituents, and undermine their own credibility and electability. November 2018 isn't that far away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    ......So they hope that he backs off on the nonsense, just to make their job easier.....
    I think we have plenty enough history and data to safely assume that this leopard won't change his spots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    depends partly on the leaders having some degree of respect, whether deserved or not. Which means you gotta fake respect and being onside
    Sort of like 'Dear Leader' Kim? Hmmm, maybe 'Dear Tweeter' ?
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    I voted for Dear Weeder,anyway...

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    Someone probably already said Commander in Tweet.
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    How 'bout "Tweeter of the Free World"?
    If I have a 50% chance of guessing the right answer, I guess wrong 80% of the time.

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    Friends, forget who´s flying in Air Force 1 , sleeping in the White House,etc.
    The President in any case is just an entertainer for the masses, in the *very* rare case he wants to exert some independent thinking he gets a bullet (or 3) in the head from a trained Marines sniper or 5 in the gut from a mindwashed "fanatic" or ..... but in any case there is no danger of Trump doing that, that´s what he was elected for.

    No, not "elected" by popular vote or even electors, that´s a smoke screen, I mean elected in some posh backroom by not more than a dozen people. VERY powerful people should I add.

    So rather than worrying/praising whether he builds a wall (he won´t), increases/decreases "woman rights" and similar irrelevant stuff, start checking The Real Deal:
    * Industry
    * Unemployment
    * banks/mortgages/interest rates/foreclosures/ ... add your favourite Economic worry , of which I am certain there is a lot of.
    * Health access
    * Trade (Im)balance
    * China/Mexico/NAFTA/TPP/low cost 3rd World Countries/etc.
    * US bases and Militarism all over the World (sucking monster resources from a weakened Economy)
    * Middle East policy/Israel/intervention in Syria/teasing Iran/wasting resources in Afghanistan/Isis
    * needlessly teasing Russia (huge Military exercises within miles of her borders, turning her neighbours into NATO members, what I call "putting your arm through the bars and pulling the tiger´s tail"
    * Coke/heroin/crack/Meth problems
    * xxxxxxxxxxxxx feel free to add other *huge-real* problems.

    Every minute I am more and more convinced this clown was elected so all eyes focus on him and nobody looks or cares about all the action that´s running in the background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    Every minute I am more and more convinced this clown was elected so all eyes focus on him and nobody looks or cares about all the action that´s running in the background.
    We are distracted constantly by bright shiny things.
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    Narcissistic Psychopath in Chief!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    Friends, forget who´s flying in Air Force 1 , sleeping in the White House,etc.
    The President in any case is just an entertainer for the masses, in the *very* rare case he wants to exert some independent thinking he gets a bullet (or 3) in the head from a trained Marines sniper or 5 in the gut from a mindwashed "fanatic" or ..... but in any case there is no danger of Trump doing that, that´s what he was elected for.

    No, not "elected" by popular vote or even electors, that´s a smoke screen, I mean elected in some posh backroom by not more than a dozen people. VERY powerful people should I add.

    So rather than worrying/praising whether he builds a wall (he won´t), increases/decreases "woman rights" and similar irrelevant stuff, start checking The Real Deal:
    * Industry
    * Unemployment
    * banks/mortgages/interest rates/foreclosures/ ... add your favourite Economic worry , of which I am certain there is a lot of.
    * Health access
    * Trade (Im)balance
    * China/Mexico/NAFTA/TPP/low cost 3rd World Countries/etc.
    * US bases and Militarism all over the World (sucking monster resources from a weakened Economy)
    * Middle East policy/Israel/intervention in Syria/teasing Iran/wasting resources in Afghanistan/Isis
    * needlessly teasing Russia (huge Military exercises within miles of her borders, turning her neighbours into NATO members, what I call "putting your arm through the bars and pulling the tiger´s tail"
    * Coke/heroin/crack/Meth problems
    * xxxxxxxxxxxxx feel free to add other *huge-real* problems.

    Every minute I am more and more convinced this clown was elected so all eyes focus on him and nobody looks or cares about all the action that´s running in the background.
    Yep. The pomposity of it all speaks for itself. It's a mere diversion. It's too much larger than life, embarrassingly so.

    It's probably been a long time (if ever, but I'm no expert) since the president was the one who really held the power. Or had the courage to try and make a real difference without thinking: "are they going to blow me away?" Unless of course they are your buddies behind the scenes, in which case, you're OK. Enter Trump. The interesting questions to ponder are regarding what's going on behind all the bluster.

    This stuff may sound like inflammatory garbage, but in my opinion one would be frightfully naive to think that "what we see is what we are getting" with Trump.

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    I don't know that I would agree with any/all of that, but I think it is worth noting that a great many well-meaning people voted for him because they believed it worked that way, and that he probably decided to run in the first place because HE believed it worked that way.

    Conceivably, when the dust from a likely-to-be-unsatisfying term has ended, many people will rethink their views on the appeal of "outsider" candidates, and begin to consider that having a thorough understanding of the normal mechanics of government, the judiciary, the constitution, and diplomacy, is probably an asset in a candidate. Yes, there are some who use that knowledge for partisan or personal gain. But then it becomes not the fact that one is an "insider", but rather the kind of insider.

    Maybe the silver lining is that voters can become more thoughtful in what they want and need from a candidate.

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    Unless they do what they always do, and blame someone else. I voted for the right guy, but the darn liberals/intrenched-party-interests/secret-government/etc. screwed it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Unless they do what they always do, and blame someone else. I voted for the right guy, but the darn liberals/intrenched-party-interests/secret-government/etc. screwed it up.
    Don't worry Enzo, the blame game is in progress. Note how TRUMPUS had DEMANDED Congress vote it today, "the time for negotiation is over!" Hmm, President telling Congress what to do, that's out of line. Or at least it was until inauguration day this year. When the bill fails, the Great-Negotiator-in-Chief will blame Congress, of course never himself for a half baked unacceptable Trump+Ryancare plan. Surprise, who's the main opposition? Republicans bought and paid for by our old fiends, the Koch bro's. Il Fratelli Koch want to remind TRUMPUS, who's really in charge. How frustrating for him! It will take a couple weekends at Maralago with several rounds of golf to get over it. Boo hoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Unless they do what they always do, and blame someone else. I voted for the right guy, but the darn liberals/intrenched-party-interests/secret-government/etc. screwed it up.
    This article explains that quite well:
    FBI Director James Comey is obviously a creature of the filthy Washington elite: Neil Macdonald - CBC News | Opinion
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    More required reading, about Russian meddling in US elections & who's gonna reveal the truth, or not. Seems Republicans of today are perfectly happy with the situation, as long as it put their candidates in office. Who would expect less?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/o...ian-money.html

    We live in interesting times, nyet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    Maybe the silver lining is that voters can become more thoughtful in what they want and need from a candidate.
    ROTFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    Every minute I am more and more convinced this clown was elected so all eyes focus on him and nobody looks or cares about all the action that´s running in the background.
    Agreed!

    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    Friends, forget who´s flying in Air Force 1 , sleeping in the White House,etc. The President in any case is just an entertainer for the masses...
    That's what I thought during the campaign whenever the extremely remote possibility of Trump winning the election was brought up. However...
    • DJT can approve all of the wacko bills passed by Ryan, et al, that were vetoed by Obama since 2011
    • DJT can undo all of the executive orders initiated by Obama to get around an obstructionist Congress and issue his own orders which reflect his bigoted xenophobic, racist, sexist and undemocratic views expressed during the campaign
    • DJT's appointments remind me of sick jokes from MAD magazine, like a CEO to be Secretary of Labor, an enemy of the EPA to be the head of that Dept and an opponent of public schools* for Secretary of Education

    And that is just the beginning of a very long list of the crap that Trump has been doing like using Twitter to speak to his supporters directly without the fact checks of the mainstream media ("the enemy of the American people".) I cannot begin to list all of the repercussions of his early morning tweet attacks. The Founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves if they knew what Trump was doing:

    "The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787. ME 6:57
    With all of the questions raised about Russia's actions during the campaign the first action of an honorable winning candidate would be to ask Congress to initiate a nationwide vote of confidence in the results of the election. IMO the 2016 Presidential election should be declared invalid and the powers of the winning candidate be voluntarily limited until we have another election (hopefully before 2020!)

    If Trump is impeached or resigns Pense would become President and if he was impeached he would be replaced by the Speaker of the House followed by..
    • Senate president pro tempore: Orrin Hatch
    • Secretary of State: Rex Tillerson
    • Secretary of the Treasury: Steven Mnuchin
    • Secretary of Defense: Gen. James Mattis
    • Attorney General: Jeff Sessions
    • Secretary of the Interior: Ryan Zinke
    • Secretary of Agriculture: Sonny Perdue***
    • Secretary of Commerce: Wilbur Ross
    • Secretary of Labor: Andrew Puzder (withdrew) Alexander Acosta***
    • Secretary of Health and Human Services: Tom Price
    • Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Ben Carson
    • Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao*****
    • Secretary of Energy: Rick Perry
    • Secretary of Education: Betsy DeVos
    • Secretary of Veterans Affairs: David Shulkin

    *** nominated but not yet confirmed
    ***** Husband is Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell

    If anyone can see the light at the end of *that* tunnel please point it out to me!@ We need to insist on a mulligan, a redo of the 2016 election...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulligan_(games)

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    @ I think that Secretary of Defense Gen. James Mattis would be a good President but being known as an independent thinker throughout his miltary career I doubt that he will last long in the Trump administration.
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    Hello,
    After more than 60 votes to repeal Obamacare, They had all the pieces in place to finally do it. It was easier to grandstand and vote on when they knew Obama would veto it. Paul Ryan's replacement was to far out even for the mainstream Republicans. The Freedom caucus thought it was to kind.
    Trump failed at his attempt to actually get his first piece of legislation through. Listening to Paul Ryan's vision of the world filtered through a book he read in High School, and has been trying to put into place for 20 years. So the Ayn Rand budget didn't go through. The adult Republicans knew going home and telling their people, guess what we stripped away your health care was not a good idea.
    So we can look forward to the next big flop, as no one will even take him serious after this.
    The funniest thing he said afterwords is that, it didn't get done because he got no support from the Democrats !!!!!
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    And this is the perfect example of "running it like a business" that so many folks thought was a good plan. If a company wants to develop some land down in Lansing, put a hotel on it say, and they spend some time trying to hammer out a deal with the city for tax abatements/inccentives/non-competes/whatever, and can't come to terms, they just walk away and develop somewher else. Ohio maybe.

    But this is something they apparently thought was important to do, repeal and replace Obamacare. But like a business, they went at it for a couple months, then just blew it off, we'll do something else. Except now, instead of profiting elsewhere, they chose not to accomplish that which they set out to do .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    ...can't come to terms, they just walk away and develop somewher else. Ohio maybe.

    ... But like a business, they went at it for a couple months, then just blew it off, we'll do something else. Except now, instead of profiting elsewhere, they chose not to accomplish that which they set out to do .
    Didn't you hear?
    Now they're going to implement Ryan Care in Mexico.

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    I wonder if the GOP is tired of winning yet?

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