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    The Android device sticky thread...

    Although the Android OS is essentially a custom version of Unix/Linux*** the devices' interface and options are quite different hence this sticky thread.
    • Please click on Reply with Quote or otherwise identify a specific post to which you are referring. Thanks!
    Let the games begin!

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    P.S. If I can ever figure out how to use my powers as Super Moderator I would like to replace these sticky computer/device threads with actual subforums, with the main forum devoted to Linux and renamed accordingly.

    *** EDIT: Google used the basic Linux kernal when creating Android.

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    For the past few years I've been spending maybe 6 hours a day using one of my tablets running Android 4.3 or 4.4 but perhaps only 2 hours a week on my PC. So if you have any questions or problems with the Android OS please post it to this thread. (I have one tablet running Android 5.1 but find that 4.3 makes the best use of an older tablet's resources.)

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    Please tell us more about andriod, I don't have anything that runs it, but would like to know more.
    I saw a free PC version on DistroWatch.
    DistroWatch.com: Android-x86
    I loaded it on a USB stick, but couldn't get my wifi to work so I scrapped it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Please tell us more about andriod, I don't have anything that runs it, but would like to know more.
    Android is kinda like Bizarro Linux because while Linux tries to be compatible with all PCs each Android vendor customizes their own version which will not run on other brands so its hard to develop an app that runs on all devices equally well.

    If you can "root"*** your device your best option is to install Cyanogen Mod (if a version has been written for your device.) My first tablet was a Nook Color e-reader for which the user hacker community figured out how to "jailbreak" and install CM7. I moved up from that to the Nook Tablet and the Nook HD and HD+ (8" and 12")... all real bargains because B&N made little or no profit on them, hoping to make that on the back end selling eBooks, a strategy that worked well for Amazon, especially when they diversified into music and videos.

    I moved on to the Hisense Sero 7 Pro originally sold by Walmart but refurbished ones appeared on the secondary market and Dolores Park (DoPa) a developer on the XDA "hacker" user group came out with some custom ROMs for it that pretty much made it an improved version of the Nexus 7 (2013 model). One big improvement is that the Sero 7 has a micro SD slot to allow you to increase on-board storage from 8GB to 40GB; it also has a mini-HDMI jack to feed your modern TV or monitor.

    I had picked up a Samsung Tab 4 7.0 (T-230NU) from Frys on a super sale about 18 months ago which in running Android 4.4 prevents 3rd party apps from writing to the external microSD card (allegedly to prevent malicious apps from causing damage but actually a big gimme to the vendors since it prevented most users from buying the less expensive 8GB models and adding external cards to boost actual capacity to 16GB, 24GB or 40GB.) Yes, the external cards are not quite as fast as internal memory but when your RAM gets too low you are up shit creek.

    The Samsung eventually became my main tablet because of one really cool feature: an expanded clipboard acessible from the on-screen keyboard which holds 20 items, 10 of which can be locked for permanent access like keyboard macros. I never did root it which would have allowed me to delete the bogus bloatware and write to the external SD card, thus significantly increasing its RAM for running apps.

    Steve Ahola

    P.S. The big advantages of Android tablets over PCs are portability and cost. You can get a half-way decent tablet for under $100 and can use it anywhere you have wifi.

    *** Rooting an Android gives you access to first level folders which are otherwise blocked (you can see them but the files are protected.) Bloatware apps that you can't uninstall are located in these first level folders (and their corresponding subfolders.)

    Yes, you can really screw up a rooted device but assuming that you have a decent recovery module also installed you can also do a full backup to restore everything unless you are completely "bricked".

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    MUST HAVE Android apps (at least for me):

    #1. Ultimate Rotation Control. If you have ever tried to use your tablet lying on your back in bed you may have had problems with the screen orientation jumping around if you rotate it. Most devices give you the choice to switch from a static orientation to Auto Rotate but that is it.
    • I tried several free apps but URS smokes them all. They give you a free 7 day trial to evaluate the app per Google Gmail account. After that you need to buy it for something like $6 but it will run on all devices registered under the same Gmail account so I've installed it on maybe 12 tablets (I lost count! )

    http://www.fame-it.net/rotate

    #2. Evernote. If a website ever swallowed a post you were composing here at MEF or elsewhere (like FB!) you need Evernote (EN). If you are "replying with quote" here you can copy and paste the contents of the MEF text box into EN where you can edit it all you want with virtually complete undo capabilities before you copy and paste it back into the MEF text box.
    • After saving your post you see some glaring typos. No worries, mate, just make the corrections in your existing EN document and copy and paste back into the MEF text box. Done, done and done!

    • I also do extensive "clipping" from various sources on the web, a habit that goes back to me clipping articles from newspapers and magazines when I was a kid. For some reason it works better with an aPad than a PC. I can select some text or all text and then click on Copy or Share. If the latter I can then Share the text with Evernote for editing. With Select All there will usually be a lot of unwanted crap to delete but being just text there are shortcuts to speed up the process.

    https://evernote.com/?var=c

    #3. SwiftKey on-screen keyboard. While not needed with my Samsung Tab 4 7.0 I use it on my other tablets since Google really screwed the pooch with their own on-screen keyboard starting with Android 4.0.
    • One really cool trick is the 3 bar menu icon in the upper left corner of the keyboard which brings a menu pallette which allows you to, among other options, resize the vertical height of the keyboard to match the text entry window which can be obscured by a on-screen keyboard that is too high.

    https://swiftkey.com/en

    That's it for now...

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    Darned tunnel vision... I am so focused on what I do with my Android tablets that I forgot to mention the whole point of the operating system: its a very customized version of Linux adapted to the strengths and limitations of mobile devices with most user input based on the highly advanced art of fingerpainting...

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    I jut got a Samsung Tab 4 running KitKat (Andriod 4.4).

    There is much I like but the following are things I'd like to improve:

    (1) New security feature in 4.4 prevent you from writing to the external SD card. The only solution is to root it. Now I've done that and added custom ROMS on an older Viewsonic tablet but I feel pretty uneasy about doing ti to something that is almost new.
    (2) Half the interanl SD card is filled with Samsung bloatware. Again rooting..
    (3) There's a bug when using the standard email app in landscape mode in that the width of the folder pane grow until you can no longer see any emails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickb View Post
    I just got a Samsung Tab 4 running KitKat (Andriod 4.4).
    There is much I like but the following are things I'd like to improve:
    (1) New security feature in 4.4 prevent you from writing to the external SD card. The only solution is to root it. Now I've done that and added custom ROMS on an older Viewsonic tablet but I feel pretty uneasy about doing it to something that is almost new.
    I feel the same about my 18 month old Tab 4 7.0.

    (2) Half the internal SD card is filled with Samsung bloatware. Again rooting..
    I've been using ES File Explorer version 3.2.3.1 (see link below) to collect and zip up my data files hogging the internal SD card and then copy them to Dropbox and delete the original and zip files to free up space on my Tab 4 7.0

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/snhw14wkbs...2.3.1.apk?dl=0

    (3) There's a bug when using the standard email app in landscape mode in that the width of the folder pane grow until you can no longer see any emails.
    I still haven't figured out all of those damned icons but do you mean when the display of the current email gets so big that you can't read the list of emails in the left pane? I click on the left arrow next to my email address to return to the normal two-pane display.







    I'll post rooting instructions here whenever I figure it out, Nick. BTW post the model and build number from About Device. Mine is...
    SM-T230NU
    KOT49H.T230NUUEU0AOD1

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    SM-T230
    KOT49H.T230XXU0A0D2

    Seems I'm one build on from you.
    ES File explorer was the first app I added to it. I have a 1G NAS Raid that I keep EVERYHING on and it makes access to that a breeze.

    What I mean is you have the folder pane on the left and the email list pane on the right. Then anytime you touch the screen the left older list pane widens until you can no longer see the email pane at all.



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    The only workaround is to use it in portrait mode.

    I have rooting instructions for this tab but I'd want someone else to test them before I brick it .

    I have a 64GB ext SD card plugged in and it's insane that I can't manage the data on it. Dropbox or any cloud solution doesn't fly for me as it's dependant on connectivity and has security issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickb View Post
    SM-T230
    KOT49H.T230XXU0A0D2
    Check yer email!

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    Here's a link on Distro Watch for a new Android Download.
    Development Release: Android-x86 6.0 RC1 (DistroWatch.com News)
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    The ads on my Android tablet are getting to be a REAL pain in the butt! I'm running Chrome which is great for some sites (it remembers passwords and settings) but for browsing articles on the open internet it does not block the ads very well, often making it impossible to read the content (especially the streaming video ads which I hear as well as see!)

    So I just now installed Opera Mini beta and tested a few pages... it works great!

    Download Opera Mini for Android | Phone, Tablet | Opera

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    If you're rooted, this one is the best. It's free. Get it.

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    I've been using Pitch Lab Pro for a few years now. There is a free Lite version, too, but I like how once you pay for a license through the Google Play Store you can install it on any Android device using the same Gmail address.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...musician.tuner

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    If you're rooted, this one is the best. It's free. Get it.

    AdAway
    I'll give that a shot on one of my rooted devices. BTW when I mentioned "ads" I was also referring to the excessive graphic and video content on webpages which can slow down webpages and make them difficult to read. In older versions of Chrome I was able to turn off the automatic downloading and display of graphics but that option is long gone.

    Here is a link to the webpage which drove me bonkers today. Spoiler alert: it is the EW recap of last Sunday's episode of Game of Thrones (Season 6 Ep 8):

    http://www.ew.com/recap/game-thrones-no-one

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    In view of my love/hate relationship with my Samsung Tab 4 7.0 I swore to never buy another Samsung tablet. Well, I decided to get a new tablet and ran across a new Samsung Tab A 8.0 at a price too good to pass up. Fool me once...

    One of the big problems with the Tab 4 7.0 was that it only had 8GB on internal SD card and running KitKat it was not allowed to write to the external SD card. I was always running out of internal RAM and had to delete apps and content at least once a week. (Being OCD I would zip up files and upload them to DropBox.)

    My new Tab A 8.0 has 16GB on its internal SD card so that bottleneck is removed. There seems to be a lot less bloatware installed so it is running slick as bat shit.

    JET.COM is selling the tablets in white for $169.99 but they are offering a 15% discount for up to 3 purchases which brought the price to under $144. Unlike Amazon they don't charge sales tax for CA residents which makes it like $134.

    https://jet.com/product/detail/6f5d2...3679ed263cad76

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    Check out Ghostery for ad blocking, tracking and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozz View Post
    Check out Ghostery for ad blocking, tracking and more.
    The Ghostery browser looks great for anonymous browsing but Opera Mini Beta does a better job of stripping out unwanted page elements which detract from the text of articles I am trying to read.

    When I said "ad" I didn't just mean the pop-up variety but the ones embedded in the damn webpage. For awhile there some pages were so busy that I would convert them into PDF files just to be able to read them in peace. (What a hassle!)

    Thanks for the tip!

    Steve Ahola

    P.S. For the benefit of non-Android aficionados unlike Windows you can run many different browsers with none of them designated as your primary browser. I read one local paper eEdition in Chrome and another one in Dolphin, as they each have different strong points.

    Chrome is good for storing passwords and settings, and sharing them across the several different Android tablets I use but it really gets bogged down with webpages on sites heavy with content (I don't buy the super-expensive super-fast tablets.)

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    I may be sending the Samsung Tab A 8.0 back (see post #17) and will order this mfg refurbished Samsung Tab 4 7.0 Nook Edition instead for $85. (I already have the non-Nook version of this tablet but want to have a spare because the battery always will run down. Also allows for 100% real multi-tasking.)

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/252352493979

    There is one feature on the Tab 4 that I find indispensible: the expanded clipboard accessible through the on-screen keyboard. It holds up to 20 entries, 10 of which can be locked and used like keyboard macros. I use Evernote to save articles in text format and like to credit the source and date.
    ... Here's what I use for the Chron: [SF Chron 06/23/2016]

    The Tab A 8.0 also has an expanded clipboard which might even hold more clips but they can't be locked.

    Another reason for me to get a second Tab 4 7.0 is that I can go ahead and try to root my old one- if I screw up and brick it I won't be up sh*t creek without a Tab 4.

    The big weak point of the Tab 4 7.0 is that there is only 8GB on the internal SD card (and that KitKat blocks read-write access to the extSD card.) I tend to be a serial downloader- like the comic strips from the daily newspaper. But if I zip them up and move them to DropBox regularly they won't clog things up. (Once I successfully root the tabs I will be able to move apps and data to an external card.)

    Steve A.

    EDIT June 29: Do NOT order Nook SM-T230NU tablet in link above. The one I rec'd was defective- it would not charge and being in a plain box with an LG charger it sure did not look like a mfg refurbished device.

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    How to find Saved Passwords in Android Chrome!

    After looking high and low for instructions on how to display my Saved Passwords in Android Chrome I ran across this article, thank God...

    Based on this help link *, to manage your password and find your username in the Chrome browser for Android:
    ● Open the Chrome app.
    ● Touch Chrome menu Menu.
    ● Touch Settings > Save passwords.
    ● Touch the link for Manage saved passwords in your Google Account.

    However, following the above steps only reveals the username and the website url and you can delete the password but not view it.

    In order to manage/view your passwords from any device/browser visit this site** and re-enter your google account password to login and to view all your saved passwords*** if:

    ● you’ve signed in to Chrome and saved passwords or
    ● you’re using Google Smart Lock for Passwords on Android

    Click on the specific website and select the eye symbol to reveal the password for that particular site.

    * https://support.google.com/chrome/an...droid%20device

    *** https://passwords.google.com

    *** except your currently signed in google account password won't be displayed
    How to retrieve saved password in Google Chrome for Android? - Android Enthusiasts Stack Exchange

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    Evernote and MEF work well together like soup and salad, soup and salad...

    After having lost still another post I was composing here while browsing for a schematic on my Android tablet I decided to enforce my rule to copy the text in the text entry box before browsing around doing research... even better to post it into an Evernote document although it should still be available in the 10 available slots in my Samsung SM-T230NU tablet extended clipboard.

    I usually use Evernote to edit longer postings here for grammar or clarity so I might as well invoke it earlier in the chain of events. (It is very hard to edit longer posts in the text entry boxes here at MEF.) Same for Facebook...

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    EDIT 07/22. It is always a good idea to select all of your text and copy it to the Clipboard before submitting a post here or anywhere...

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    This is an example of the very irritating "popover" bullshit that makes it difficult for me to read certain webpages using Chrome. Don't webpage designers realize that crap like that encourages potential readers to leave immediately?



    With the Opera Mini Beta browser the popover stays in one place and doesn't scroll down blocking the text you are trying to read...




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    P.S. Some of the "popovers" disappear after clicking them once but not this one encouraging you to share the webpage on Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest or email (I just checked.) Yes, I definitely want to share crap I can't read with all of my "friends"...

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    Crap! And I thought a popover was tasty treat

    Still haven't rooted mine yet. But I sooo want to.

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    Beware the Dropbox bloat!

    Dropbox likes to create a cache on your local drive which can eat valuable internal space on your Android mobile device. While this can speed up Dropbox operations it can slow down the overall performance of your device if available space has dropped to a drastic level.

    You can't turn off the cache but you can Clear the cache by going into Settings. With the versions I've examined the cache is displayed in a light grey font. I was shocked to find out it had grown to ~300MB... almost 1/3 of a GB on my Samsung Tab 4 7.0 which has only 8GB of internal storage.

    Another space hog is Chrome which has a cache which can't be turned off in Chrome Settings but can be cleared in Apps or Applications under the device main Settings menu. I just looked and the cache was 157MB! This on a tablet that gives me low storage warnings when it drops below 500MB...

    Chrome is also using 62MB for data but clearing that might delete my bookmarks and preferences... and who knows what? I need to investigate that.

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    Another space hog... thumbnails!

    Various programs and perhaps even Android itself like to cache thumbnails to make some operations run faster. I have found .thumbnail files and folders grow as large as 300MB. Some programs give you the option to delete them upon exiting or to not cache them at all; others offer no such options.

    Here is one trick to get rid of persistant thumbnail caches that keep returning after you have deleted them:

    A. If the cache is stored in a folder titled .thumbnail(s) delete that folder and in the same folder create a file titled .thumbnail(s)
    B. If the cache is stored in a file titled .thumbnail(s) delete that file and in the same folder create a folder titled .thumbnail(s)

    Doing this can often fool the operating system but not always. FWIW I use an old version of ES File Explorer (3.2.3.1) to find and manipulate files on both my rooted and my unrooted Android devices. Be sure to set the options in the Tools pulldown menu in the left pane to Show Hidden Files (the files and folders with a name that starts with a period (.) ) Here is a link to download ESFX 3.2.3.1...

    download es file explorer 3.2.3.1 free (android)

    BTW I recommend clicking on the Settings button on the menu bar at the bottom of the screen and reviewing them all, especially Window Settings as you can only have 12 windows open at a time... no sense wasting one slot on a window that you never use. (Usually each time you click on a selection in the pull-down menus in the left pane ESFX tries to open a new window- if that folder or display is already open it is more frugal to go to it through the Windows button on the menu bar, sometimes displayed under the "More" button.)

    One more tip: check and edit the Favorite drop-down menu in the left pane - you can list your favorite folders here rather than opening them automatically as a window when you load ESFX.

    Steve Ahola

    P.S. Here is an article titled "Here's why we're removing ES File Explorer from our best apps lists" referring to the latest versions released earlier this year...

    https://www.androidpit.com/this-is-w...-file-explorer

    ... which is why I *always* select "Do not auto-update apps" in the Google Play settings menu. BTW ESFX will ask you if you want to update to the current version unless you uncheck the Auto Check option under its Update settings entry in Settings. "If its working fine why risk screwing that up with an update that you don't need???"

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    I use this app and periodically run it to keep things clean. It's ad supported, which can be a bit annoying, but not a huge deal. Seems to work quite well.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...r.mguard&hl=en

    Edit: The first thing you'll want to do (as with any app you download) is go into the settings and disable notifications and any other BS you don't want the app doing. Most people don't take the time to do this, so their apps are constantly uploading usage data and doing other crap you don't want them doing. One can speed up any android device by simply taking the time to go through the settings in every app and disabling crap you don't want running, and believe me, there's plenty of that going on behind the scenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I use this app and periodically run it to keep things clean. It's ad supported, which can be a bit annoying, but not a huge deal. Seems to work quite well.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...r.mguard&hl=en
    Yikes! I just tried Clean Master out, going through each item and deciding whether or not to delete it... only an inadvertent click initiated the cleaning procedure with no confirmation prompt resulting in 750MB worth of files removed, many of which I had intentionally been saving. Ouch! I guess I'll find out in a day or two what sort of files were deleted.

    My recommendation: Thumbs down mainly because there was no prompt confirming my intention to start the cleaning process. (I will uninstall it and try older versons hoping to find one that has the absolutely necessary confirmation prompt for any program that can delete thousands of files.) My other reason is the presence of so many very obtrusive ads...

    EDIT: I decided to check out Clean Master Lite and with its simpler interface I will recommend it. It is very simple to edit the Ignore List so that it will only mess with the apps you don't care about. BTW the Play Store has two free listings for the full strength Clean Master app, one with an Ads icon and one without, but both listings say "Contains ads". Here is link to Lite version:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...=com.cmcm.lite

    And here is the UpToDown listing for older versions of Clean Master which I will look into:

    http://clean-master-cleaner.en.uptodown.com/android/old


    Edit: The first thing you'll want to do (as with any app you download) is go into the settings and disable notifications and any other BS you don't want the app doing. Most people don't take the time to do this, so their apps are constantly uploading usage data and doing other crap you don't want them doing. One can speed up any android device by simply taking the time to go through the settings in every app and disabling crap you don't want running, and believe me, there's plenty of that going on behind the scenes.
    I am quoting that because it is such good advice that bears repeating!

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    Oh shizz! Sorry, Steve. It works well for me, but there are different options on what it cleans. I must have not ever used the option that you did. My apologies for causing your files to be deleted. I'm a bit stumped, though. On my phone and tablets, there are boxes you can check before cleaning so that you can choose what to clean and what to leave alone. I'm surprised you weren't presented with that option.

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    QUESTION: Is the Clean Master app for Android really useful?

    I read this particular answer on the Quora site and must disagree with it strongly! What Shad Khan has to say applies more to the various Task Killer apps which were very popular (and needed!) with the initial versions of Android, but became unnecessary and actually detrimental once Android introduced better memory management.

    Shad undoubtedly has never owned an Android device which will refuse to install another app from the Play Store with a message that free memory or storage space is too low. I've been dealing with this manually for several years now by deleting either apps or stored files. Having a program to simplify the operation is a big plus as long as you have control over what it does.


    QUESTION: Is the Clean Master app for Android really useful?
    We need answers for two types of phones:
    • One with low RAM (512 MB) with OEM bloat and low phone memory(2GB)
    • One with reasonably high RAM (1 GB or above) and more internal memory (like in Moto G first and second gen)

    I feel the first category of phone needs this app.

    ANSWER from Shad Khan 10/27/2014: Please stop using it as you may be killing the performance of your phone.

    These apps may have once been useful but the Android has progressed far enough that they are now outdated, unnecessary and rather harmful.

    On Windows, you want to keep as much RAM as possible as you can so that programs have enough room to operate. When RAM fills up, Windows is forced to start using hard drive space as virtual RAM and hard drives are much slower than physical RAM.

    This is not true for Android.

    Android’s operating system has its own native handler for assigning RAM to apps and making sure that all of it is being used in the most optimal way. In fact, Android purposely tries to keep apps loaded into RAM for better performance. RAM is fast, remember? On mobile devices, every bit of speed is critical for a good user experience, so keeping apps in RAM is actually a good thing.

    Not only does Android handle RAM assignment, but it also keeps track of background apps so they don’t use up unnecessary processor resources. There’s no noticeable performance hit for leaving apps loaded in RAM.

    App killers, memory boosters, performance enhancers, etc all claim wiping memory will speed up the phone. With current versions of Android, that's simply not true. It's actually the opposite. What will happen is the task killer app kills other apps which use resources to process. Then the OS restarts those, or other apps to fill the memory again, which takes even more resources. The task killer app kills again and the process repeats over and over. So in reality, those kinds of apps reduce performance and increase battery usage by restarting apps again and again. Remember, those dormant apps don't consume any additional battery or CPU in the first place.
    https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Clean-M...swer/Shad-Khan

    Steve Ahola

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    I disagree with Khan's assessment, also, but I think it depends largely on how you use your device. It's my understanding that when you use an app, much of it's info stays in memory even after you close the app so that next time you open it, it opens faster. If you use that particular app often, that's probably a good thing. If you're like me (a casual user), probably not. That app, which is "semi-open" is using memory and storage, checking for notifications, etc., slowing the device down. For example, I check the weather in the morning and then I don't need the app again the rest of the day, with some exceptions. I see no reason for the app to be sitting there doing things and wasting space when I'm done with it. Another example and huge resource hog: I don't have a Facebook page, but my band does. I check it in the morning and at night before I go to bed. Does it need to run all day telling me every time somebody posts something? No. When I want to know what's going on there, I'll look. In fact, I shut off notifications for every app I don't need notifications from. Otherwise, they are constantly checking for what I consider useless information, or at least information that can wait until I'm ready to see it. In fact, and this is off track a bit, but nonetheless useful. If you go to settings- applications- application manager- you can go down the list of apps and shut off notifications for any apps you don't want connecting. Also, a lot of apps upload usage data and you can disable this feature in the settings of many of the apps. IMO, closing unused apps, stopping notifications, opting out of uploading usage data, etc. not only makes the device run faster, but also substantially improves battery life. This part isn't just a theory. I've proven this with the devices I own.

    Edit: Another reason to opt out of notifications and usage data uploads is that it can substantially decrease the amount of data you use if you are on a limited data plan. Surprisingly, I've found that Clean Master itself is one of the worst offenders. You'll want to uncheck "apply holiday themes", "user experience program", all of the weather settings, and "notifications" (unless you want them). Other apps will have similar settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Oh shizz! Sorry, Steve. It works well for me, but there are different options on what it cleans. I must have not ever used the option that you did. My apologies for causing your files to be deleted. I'm a bit stumped, though. On my phone and tablets, there are boxes you can check before cleaning so that you can choose what to clean and what to leave alone. I'm surprised you weren't presented with that option.
    But I was going through the checkboxes but inadvertently hit something that initiated the cleaning process. "But I'm not done unchecking the boxes!" My guess is that they removed the confirmation prompt to "dumb down" the app and make more room for ads...

    I was just checking out the 360 Security app which looks pretty good and might replace the Avast Anti-Virus app as well as Clean Master (which I haven't given up on yet):

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...security&hl=en

    Steve Ahola

    P.S. No apologies necessary... it was me who screwed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I disagree with Khan's assessment, also, but I think it depends largely on how you use your device.
    IMO Shad Khan is a pompous know-it-all asshole who probably never even looked into the Clean Master app specifically, just lumping it together with all sorts of unneeded booster apps going back to the Advanced Task Killer app that everybody used back in 2009.

    But yes all of this depends on how you use your mobile device. I switched from iOS to Android because it offered more freedom to do your own thang...

    Also, a lot of apps upload usage data and you can disable this feature in the settings of many of the apps. IMO, closing unused apps, stopping notifications, opting out of uploading usage data, etc. not only makes the device run faster, but also substantially improves battery life. This part isn't just a theory. I've proven this with the devices I own.
    I agree! I've noticed definite improvements in how often Chrome has to reload a particular webpage when RAM and storage space are low. Like composing a post here at MEF, jumping over to another page or two to research the issue and returning to find your text entry box gone. BTW does anyone know how to use the Auto Save feature here? I gave up and compose most of my posts using Evernote and then pasting the text into the text entry box here...

    Steve

    P.S. Remember back in the good old days when everybody was using the abbreviation IMHO and the outliers who started using IMO were wise-guy jerks trying to be funny...?

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    I don't want to be responsible for anyone getting a virus on their android device, so this isn't a recommendation. I'm just passing along what I've read here and there. I would say the majority of "experts" agree that antivirus apps are not necessary on the android platform. You can do some Google searching and probably read the same info I have. My understanding is that it's difficult for a virus to install via android as apps need confirmation from the user before they can install. I originally had the AVG app on my devices. It never detected anything-...... ever, so I removed it. I've been using android devices for years and never gotten a virus. Occasionally, a web page will notify you that you've been infected. However, it's just a trick to get you to click the notice and take you to another page. Just don't click the notification and you are fine. Again, I don't want to be responsible for screwing up someone else's device, so "at your own risk". I'm only saying it's my opinion that you don't need antivirus on the android platform.

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    Steve,

    Your link in post #32 doesn't work for me. It says URL not found......

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