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    IE 11 Windows 7

    Is anyone else having difficulties since the last time the site was down (maintenance?)

    I am running Windows 7, Internet Explorer 11.

    If I click on a posted picture (ie: http://music-electronics-forum.com/a...7398-part2.jpg) it will not come up.
    Just sits there.

    Also the little "Download Image" button doesn't work anymore.

    This is strictly an IE problem.

    Chrome works fine (well, in this regard.)

    Maybe T Boy could have a peek at what changed?

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    I switched over for a minute to IE 11 and am also using win 7. Pic opened problem. Mike.

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    Worked OK in IE 11 on Win 10 for me.
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    The 'Insert Image" does nothing.

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    Yes, now I see very odd stuff going on with IE & MEF. If I try to reply IE crashes after a couple of minutes. A message 'MEF is not responding' pops up just before that. ALso if I try to 'insert image' the upload fails. It works OK if I go to 'advanced' and 'Manage attachements'.
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    Another 'oddity': when replying to a post, after selecting 'Reply', that reply does not show up on the page.

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    Yo T Boy.

    Something is seriously wrong here.
    Totally different computer.
    Windows 7. IE 11.
    Now I cannot get in to a post of mine to edit or delete it!

    Chrome works fine.
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    And if you get that stupid "Leave This Page/ Stay On This Page", simply exit that page.
    It will come up.
    Otherwise you will get a 'Double Post'.

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    People are still using Internet Explorer? I switched to Firefox abiut 10 years ago and have been using the stripped down hot rod version (Pale Moon) for the past 5 years.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon_(web_browser)

    Although I do most of my browsing these days on an Android tablet running KitKat and using an older version of Chrome (ver 46.0.2490.76) which keeps nagging me to update... "Just say NO!"

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    IE does most anything i would want. All those alternative browsers require you fuck around with the computer at some level. SOmething I have zero desire to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    IE does most anything i would want. All those alternative browsers require you f*ck around with the computer at some level. SOmething I have zero desire to do.
    I have no desire to screw around with computers anymore, either, but most browsers these days are very low maintenance, intended for non-technical users who just want to go to their favorite sites to consume content.

    My current desktop computer is from 2009 and it runs Windows 7. I prefer using a bare bones browser like Pale Moon as it does not overtax the resources of my computer as was the case with IE and Firefox, especially if you followed their update roller coaster. I don't need the "improvements" necessary to optimize a browser or other program for Windows 8 or 10.

    I just checked and Google Chrome is the most popular browser these days for both desktops and all devices so I guess that IE would be considered to be an alternate browser.

    I have a lot of issues with Microsoft and how they would like to impose their will on computer users... IE is an integral part of Windows and it cannot be uninstalled, even if you never use it as a browser. Linux is much more secure than Windows although I have not yet switched to it on my desktop yet. (The Android OS is a customized version of Linux.)



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usag...f_web_browsers

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    P.S. For the hell of it I just now installed Pale Moon on my Android tablet, which unlike Windows allows multiple browsers to co-exist peacefully. Google Chrome is very convenient but different browsers allow me to do things I can't do with Chrome, which unfortunately does require a lot of system resources.

    So far so good. Pale Moon takes less than 60MB resources compared to 300MB for Chrome.


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    My IE got full of something some years back, and until I could have my computer buddy over, I downloaded Chrome. It seems to work about the same. Except it opens pdf files in some facockta viewer of their own instead of the common Adobe freebie. It has grow and shrink buttons lower right, but they always default to upper left of the image. I COULD right click and OPEN IN ADOBE, but dislike going through extra to open files. Fortunately my own files open in adobe.

    If I thought I could just download firefox from somewhere, open it, and all my stuff would just work, I could try it. But then I'd also have to have an incentive. I know little about it, but it seems to me every time a discussion of these alternatives comes up, they talk about configuring this, partitioning that, and so on. I hear about bloat ware and memory hogs, but so what? If I have several gigs of memory, it doesn't matter.

    I am mighty unhappy they installed Windows 10 without me asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    My IE got full of something some years back, and until I could have my computer buddy over, I downloaded Chrome. It seems to work about the same. Except it opens pdf files in some facockta viewer of their own instead of the common Adobe freebie. It has grow and shrink buttons lower right, but they always default to upper left of the image. I COULD right click and OPEN IN ADOBE, but dislike going through extra to open files. Fortunately my own files open in adobe.

    If I thought I could just download firefox from somewhere, open it, and all my stuff would just work, I could try it. But then I'd also have to have an incentive. I know little about it, but it seems to me every time a discussion of these alternatives comes up, they talk about configuring this, partitioning that, and so on. I hear about bloat ware and memory hogs, but so what? If I have several gigs of memory, it doesn't matter.

    I am mighty unhappy they installed Windows 10 without me asking.

    To disable the naff Chrome pdf viewer: chrome://plugins the uncheck "Always allowed to run" on the Chrome PDF viewer.

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    I've always been partial to firefox.
    I used IE on company laptops, back when I worked.
    Haven't used it since 2010.
    Another browser is Opera.
    It's ok, kinda like chromium.
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    Fine & dandy.
    Use another browser.

    I did.

    I am having issues with Chrome if I try to edit a post.

    How do we get across to TBoy that something is nackered???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    If I thought I could just download firefox from somewhere, open it, and all my stuff would just work, I could try it. But then I'd also have to have an incentive. I know little about it, but it seems to me every time a discussion of these alternatives comes up, they talk about configuring this, partitioning that, and so on. I hear about bloat ware and memory hogs, but so what? If I have several gigs of memory, it doesn't matter.
    Like Terry, I've been using firefox for 10 years now & no problems at all. Didn't have to do any of those komputer-wizkid things either, it just works without any hassle. VERY useful tab function, I use it often to track several MEF threads simultaneously. There are lots of add on programs with various functionality. I ignore just about all of 'em BUT firefox's ad-blocker is a must-have. It really breaks my heart (not) when some websites beg me to "whitelist" their page - so they can load up my screen with ads I have no use for, right? Heh heh heh, not gonna do that, too bad.

    It doesn't hurt to do some minor maintenance every now & then, run your computer's cleanup & defrag. That usually is enough to keep things zooming along the way they should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz P Bass View Post
    How do we get across to TBoy that something is nackered???????
    Have you tried a PM mentioning the issue and linking this thread?
    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Thomas View Post
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    I've been using firefox for a long time too, but it does seem to be getting bloated beyond the capability of my (now) older computer (Vista). I get tired of updates that move things around that were working perfectly fine.
    I'll be following Steve's suggestion and reading up on pale moon, more function and less fashion is always good with me.
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    I use Chrome for everything but use IE for FTP stuff when working on a website. I LIKE it for that. Filezilla is PITA to use but I do have it and use it sometimes just to keep up. IE is so freaking slow that I have to keep from shooting the screen! Mike.

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    To disable the naff Chrome pdf viewer: chrome://plugins the uncheck "Always allowed to run" on the Chrome PDF viewer.
    Yes, thanks, that worked. But it brings up another question for me. Upper right are three little dots, which opens a menu of basic stuff. I know that. But how would someone even know that address line command even exists? I mean I know because you told me, you know because someone told you, but ultimately there had to be a place to look it up. For example, are there other extensions other than "plugins"? How would I know them?
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    If you're interested Enzo, try this:

    https://fossbytes.com/complete-list-...ome-urls-uses/

    There's A LOT of them there and links to more. Mike.
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    Just getting rid of that awful pdf reader is worth the trip. Thanks, I will explore that.

    I find myself asking the same sort of question about all manner of computer software. I don't understand how an innocent new user knows those even exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Just getting rid of that awful pdf reader is worth the trip.
    Having PDF files displayed properly in a web browser has been a problem I have had to deal with on and off for almost 20 years now. I'd have it working perfectly, at least until a browser update would screw it all up...

    Although very convenient an inherent problem with PDF files is that they are based on a printed page while today's computing world is usually focussed on the display. For example converting a webpage into a PDF file breaks up the continuously scrolling screen into individual pages (I prefer to save webpages in a single file HTML format like MHT or MHTML although there are not a lot of reader programs or apps that handle that format very well.)

    I find myself asking the same sort of question about all manner of computer software. I don't understand how an innocent new user knows those even exist.
    Figuring out the right question to ask in your search engine is half of the battle. Even then in many cases there is often no solution to your problem or issue: that is just the way the software works... deal with it.

    In any case after something bugs the heck out of me long enough when I finally decide to search for a solution it can be very rewarding if I actually find one. Eureka!

    ALTERNATE ANSWER: 20 years ago software programs usually came with comprehensive help files and there was a big market for third party books spelling out tips and tricks for running the programs. Nowadays help is often just an afterthought, if not omitted altogether, with the assumption being that the user interface is so intuitive that no help is needed. Like your comment about the three dot icon bringing up a menu...

    I was just talking to a friend who didn't know about right-clicking in Windows, and how that can often bring up an alternate menu depending on the program. Tablets have their own little tricks like double-clicks and long-clicks. And touch screens offer a unique way to navigate back from nested folders: just swipe to the right. (I learned about that in Dropbox when they got rid of the Back icon at the top of their folder display.)

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    If I get Adobe Reader to open it, I have no issues. It was just unclear to me how I could change the default to that.

    Yes, my 386 computer came with a bunch of thick books. A book on the DOS, and a book onWindows 3.0, another for Word whatever version. Even the apps had books. Very detailed. Now we get dick.

    I went to open the solitaire page the other night, and it announced it couldn;t get to the internet. For SOLITAIRE??? For the love of god, now they want to put even my solitaire games on their cloud. Still hating Windows 10 here.

    Yep, I can google answers to many questions, but to me, the older systems handled it by having real menus available right on my screen. I could access all the settings from there, I didn't have to call up other web sites or google. The three dots weren't really intuitive for me, I just clicked everything that clicked to see what it did. Remember the older Windows with the tool bar that had FILE, VIEW, etc.?
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    I think a big part of the problem is all the "smart" features being updated into windows by MS along with other intuitive little programs attached to cookies and shit. Everything you do on your computer anymore is being evaluated by peripheral software for how it relates to stuff and shopping. Every time you look at an image or search a topic all the damned peripheral software has to take a look at relevance before your OS or browser can get back to work. A lot of this crap is programmed to via for priority. As in "Wait a minute, we need to find out how to pitch you something." "Smart" search features piss me off equally bad. Overall I'm just sick of my computer being taken over by adware that want to get to know me and then get up in my business. Incompatibility issues are unavoidable with so many entities trying to get your exclusive attention. And many of these little gremlin programs are at work even when you're not actively on line!

    Windows 10 is designed by Satan. It attempts to keep your poot exclusive to MS opportunities and interactions. Sort of the MS attempt to bundle all your IT requirements into one package. Like Apple has done, but without the benefit of any experience in the matter. It just won't work with any internet content that isn't from an "in bed with MS" source so it crashes all the time. It even fails for home computing because all things related to the issue I mentioned above cause it to snafu. When updates from MS started rendering 7 unusable I tried 10. I actually think MS was intentionally trying to sabotage 7 to get people into 10 and to try and capture a demographic. I couldn't get back to 7 fast enough. But even when I did it suffered artifacts from 10 and leftovers from the dirty updates. Ultimately my poot suffered a crash. I took it to the tech and had it wiped and 7 reinstalled without all the current updates and now it works fine, if a little slow.

    I do, however, have the same issues with compatibility between 7 and the forum. You can skirt a lot of the problems by right clicking on the intended action, link or image and open it in a new tab. You can even do this with "EDIT". I always close the previous session and roll with the new tab to avoid possible problems.
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    I bought 2 new laptops on black friday sale.
    They both have windows 10 home.
    I made both computers where they dual boot, win10, and Ubuntu 16.10.
    When it boots on win10, it runs slow and tries to download things constantly.
    Everything you try to do on win10, it wants to sell you a program for it.
    When booted on Ubuntu, it is fast and secure, with a normal XP looking desktop.
    All programs and apps come pre loaded on Ubuntu, and it is free, and nothing to buy.
    So needless to say the wife and I do all our email, and biz on linux.
    The grandkids sometimes boots to windows to play games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    When updates from MS started rendering 7 unusable I tried 10. I actually think MS was intentionally trying to sabotage 7 to get people into 10 and to try and capture a demographic. I couldn't get back to 7 fast enough. But even when I did it suffered artifacts from 10 and leftovers from the dirty updates. Ultimately my poot suffered a crash. I took it to the tech and had it wiped and 7 reinstalled without all the current updates and now it works fine, if a little slow.
    I haven't had to do that because I turned off automatic updates (and the nagging pop-ups) on my three computers years ago. I didn't want Microsoft breaking something that was working fine. So far (touch wood) MS hasn't managed to force Windows 10 on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    When updates from MS started rendering 7 unusable I tried 10. I actually think MS was intentionally trying to sabotage 7 to get people into 10 and to try and capture a demographic. I couldn't get back to 7 fast enough. But even when I did it suffered artifacts from 10 and leftovers from the dirty updates. Ultimately my poot suffered a crash. I took it to the tech and had it wiped and 7 reinstalled without all the current updates and now it works fine, if a little slow.
    When you upgrade from Win7 to Win10, either on purpose or accident, there are all sorts of issues when trying to roll back the upgrade. For example, if you run clean up it can remove the files necessary to revert back to 7. Also, when you revert back it has bugs that render certain areas in a corrupt state. Such as I had someone where the computer automatically tricked them into updating to win10. We rolled back to win7 but then Scheduled tasks functions were all corrupted. What this does, in my opinion, is it causes windows event viewer to keep logging errors and thus it slows down your computer. To repair these errors Microsoft does nothing to help you at all. In fact, there was one computer wizard that actually did all the work since Microshaft would not. Here is his page to read about the problem or fix it on your computer.

    https://repairtasks.codeplex.com/
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    I've not had good results upgrading from 7 to 10. Here's a weird, yet complicated, workaround. When you download/install the free Windows 10 upgrade, they install a key and log your computer as registered. My experience is that it runs like crap after this. It's trying to use old drivers and software from Windows 7. However, after you accept the upgrade, you can then download Windows 10 and make an ISO disk or USB stick. Then, format the drive and do a clean install with the disk you made. Of course, save anything you want saved before formatting the drive. Windows will then connect and find they key that you previously registered and re-register your system. I'm using a couple PC's setup with that procedure and they are both running well- no problems. Before the clean install, using the upgrade, both ran like shi+.

    To reiterate: You must accept the upgrade first or your Windows will not be registered!
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    I was registered. Still had trouble. But it's a good point because if you switch to 10 and DON'T register you'll need to BUY 7 to get back to it. I sort of skirted this when I had my poot wiped and all the "stock" software installed. All the tech needs to know is that your poot originally came with 7 and they'll reinstall it after the wipe without needing to buy it. At least, that's how it went for me.

    7 took a step further from user interface than I liked. 10 is intended to be a completely hands off OS like Apple, but it doesn't work so with no user interface (even logged as admin) you can't even force it to comply. Just the worst OS ever. Microsoft WILL change or abandon it for 10.1 or something. Cool if they can update standard 10 to actually work. If they can't that will really suck for anyone buying a new poot with 10 as standard.
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    What are you talking about, computers? Everybody is supposed to be on mobile devices now.
    This is the heart of the matter I believe.
    If you're using a mouse you're a dinosaur and nobody gives a fork.
    Along with this comes websites that suck on a real sized monitor but are optimized for mobile devices. And people I can no longer have proper conversations with via email because they are no longer capable of thoughts beyond 140 characters.
    Sorry for the tangent, I'll end my rant for now.
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    I did some reading to see what you guys are going through on the 7 to 10 upgrade.
    I ran across these on howtogeek, Ive used the howtogeek stuff before and seems to be pretty sound.
    How to Upgrade from Windows 7 or 8 to Windows 10 (Right Now)
    How to do a Clean Install of Windows 10, the Easy Way

    I'm sure glad that linux has no product keys, or registration stuff to do.

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    10 is full of MS approved spyware that monitors your activity so you can be targeted by their approved cyber merchants and such. Not that we all don't suffer from too much of that stuff already that just piggybacks with social media, rAmazon, sPinterest, weEbay and such.

    I am still using a mouse. In fact that's one of my biggest gripes with the constant stream of little salesmen programs watching my every move. These peripheral programs interfere with my wireless mouse when I'm trying to use the mouse for image manipulation drawing schematics and such. Trying to cut and paste on mspaint while too many tasks are running is impossible because priority is diverted from the mouse sporadically and spastically forcing me to "undo" errors and reattempt the maneuver repeatedly. Sometimes I have to restart my poot so I have a little time before all the gremlin programs come back out of their holes. I don't mind so much that the IT genre comes with the caveat that they'll try to monitor and pitch me (Well I do, but it's not a deal breaker). What I do mind is when that effort interrupts user control of my stuff. It's not right that I can't draw schematics sometimes because someone who I'm not engaging wants to know my internet history. Including private computer time and whether I like Wheat Thins. Ok, fine! I'll accept it. Just stop getting up in my grill by slowing things down to a crawl and keeping me from my work.
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    There are lots of background tracking things going on in Windows 10, but you can shut them off. It just requires spending some time digging into the OS.
    I still use a mouse and keyboard at work- mostly a tablet at home, but sometimes a laptop depending on what I'm doing. If the task requires lots of typing, I won't use a tablet. It's easier having a real keyboard.
    You can also uninstall the portions of 10 that you don't need. For instance, if you're using a PC and not a tablet, you can get rid of or disable all of the phone/tablet stuff.
    A lot of making it work well requires pissing with the OS to get rid of everything you don't want or need. It shouldn't be so. They should ask you if you want to opt in to something instead of you having to figure out how to opt out. It'd be a lot easier for the user.
    That said, IMO, once you strip 10 down to just the parts of it you are going to use, I think it runs pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    I was registered. Still had trouble. But it's a good point because if you switch to 10 and DON'T register you'll need to BUY 7 to get back to it.
    Acronis True Image is your friend. You can make a disk image of your boot drive before doing anything crazy like upgrading to Windows 10...

    I like to make a disk image immediately after installing the OS- and optionally a handful of programs I consider to be essential. That way if my boot drive dies or gets infected with malware I can restore the disk image without having to hassle with reinstalling Windows, which can often take up to an hour and you have to stick around to respond to prompts as it goes through multiple reboots.

    It is usually a good idea to keep your programs and your data on a separate hard drive so that your boot disk is small enough to be backed up regularly. I could do this with Win XP which allowed me to move the My Documents folder to a different hard drive. With Win 7 Home Premium I set up a My Documents folder on my E: drive but Windows insisted on keeping a separate My Documents folder on my boot drive which makes things very confusing. (One problem with the documents folder being on the boot drive is that full pathname is so long, not simply C:\My Documents.)

    7 took a step further from user interface than I liked.
    Me, too! I thought that Win XP 64 bit Pro was perfect, although I did have to customize the UI so that it was more like my absolute favorite, Win 2000, which did have one big drawback: it did not automatically find drivers for your hardware as well as XP.

    10 is intended to be a completely hands off OS like Apple, but it doesn't work so with no user interface (even logged as admin) you can't even force it to comply.
    One big advantage of Win 10 over Win 7 that I read about was its support of touch screen monitors which can be a really cool addition to your keyboard and mouse...

    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I did some reading to see what you guys are going through on the 7 to 10 upgrade... I'm sure glad that linux has no product keys, or registration stuff to do.
    Yes, Microsoft is so concerned about registration and copy protection of proprietary IP that it forgets the basics expected from an operating system! Linux is the wave of the future- the only thing holding it back is that too many software developers refuse to support it. Yes, there are Linux programs for most needs but not with the wide range available for Windows...

    Rather than doing a Windows/Linux dual boot scenario are there any KVM switches that work well with the two operating systems? I think it would be ideal if your Linux box was used for most internet activity while your Windows machine was restricted to just a few sites like Dropbox for file sharing across multiple platforms and essential programs that insisted on "phoning home"...

    Steve A.

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