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Thread: WD no longer selling to Canadians/ WD distro'd by Yorkville.

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    WD no longer selling to Canadians/ WD distro'd by Yorkville.

    Ive been using WD for a while for covers, pots, odd parts for partscasters.

    I went to order a bunch of p90 covers this week and was told I have to go through Yorkville now.
    Yorkville wouldn't be so bad, but they're not set up to deal with small makers of things...they part of the L&M Empire. They want me to fill out a dealer app.

    The worst part...they doubled and tripled the price of everything. They want to charge half of retail, not oem builder pricing, which is pretty nuts. Ad in tax and shipping and my covers are gonna cost 4 to 5x what I was paying from WD.

    The other thing...Yorkville is only ordering every 4 to 5 weeks, waiting for enough requests to place a large order with WD. So instead of getting my parts in a couple of days, I'm looking at 4-6 weeks.

    I don't blame WD, I'm sure stocking 75+ stores is great for them, but they've basically screwed every small builder in canada.

    This a big lose lose lose for everyone who dealt with WD.


    So, aside from my rant...alternate source for p90 covers?

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    half of retail is all I've ever gotten from WD. same with AllParts and Mojo. I've waited months for some parts to be in stock at AllParts, so nothing new to me.

    cheers,

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    I know ,Been dealing this & your right ! Prices almost tripled as is when there is another middleman .they wont get my support .
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperheadroads View Post
    I know ,Been dealing this & your right ! Prices almost tripled as is when there is another middleman .they wont get my support .
    It's brutal.

    This deal is totally about getting all-parts out. I've had a repair friend tell me all-parts has dropped a lot the stuff he uses.

    Basically. L&M wants an all-parts replacement, gets Yorkville to distribute them, to sell to L&m stores.

    WD thinks they've hit paydirt as L&m stock the stores, but in 6 months, that will slow down.

    I don't think anyone at WD asked a Canadian how this would play out. I get the feeling that WD actually cares about builders.

    Yorkville had no idea that wd sold to this many small guys and for the prices they do.

    Yorkville is probably happy to keep the line limited to L&m...they can mark things up to whatever they want...all proceeds go to the same company.

    I got industry Canada to give me the numbers on Canadian music stores...L&m is just frightening, almost 90% of the market.

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    I've had nothing but great dealings with WD........Bummer
    "UP here in the Canada we shoot things we don't understand"

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    Time to Canadian winders to get together, made a list of the best suppliers for the different things needed and make some big group-buys.

    HTH,
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    Agreed

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    A Canadian close to the US border with a US mailbox could make this happen. Otherwise you will be at the mercy of your US cousins.

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    Things are now getting a bit tricky in that regard. I was unable to buy an amp footswitch from a US company without paying from a US based paypal or bank account, even though it was to be shipped to a US address. And even when you can, then you have to get it through customs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David King View Post
    A Canadian close to the US border with a US mailbox could make this happen. Otherwise you will be at the mercy of your US cousins.
    They've blocked all accounts with a Canadian credit card or phone number or address.

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    I don't have a WD account but if I did I'd be happy to reship to one person who could make the Canada wide re-distribution.

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    O/k.
    I'll bight.

    Who the heck is WD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz P Bass View Post
    Who the heck is WD?
    WD supplies guitar parts, with an extensive inventory. Besides jacks & switches & nuts & tuners etc, lots of pickguards including ones found nowhere else & custom work too. Allparts is a competitor. In recent years some more familiar companies like Mojo and AmplifiedParts/Antique/CE have started into supplying more guitar parts besides pickups, but none have as thorough a catalog as WD. It surely will put a crimp on Canada's small-shop and individual guitar builders to have to source parts via Yorkville, with big markups on costs plus wait on delivery. So much for NAFTA, in this instance the easy-to-deal-with market has evaporated. Larger more established Canada manufacturers such as Godin and L'Arrivee, I expect they have their own supply lines and don't have to deal with WD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz P Bass View Post
    O/k.
    I'll bight.

    Who the heck is WD?
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    It seems no one wants to ship to canada.
    This isn't the first company to tighten up on Northern shipping!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David King View Post
    I don't have a WD account but if I did I'd be happy to reship to one person who could make the Canada wide re-distribution.
    If someone were to do this and WD found out, they would lose their account in mighty short order. Just a friendly public service announcement.

    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    It seems no one wants to ship to canada.
    This isn't the first company to tighten up on Northern shipping!
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    My pet theory is this has to do with sales tax losses. There may be pressures from various agencies to clamp down on sales that skirt provincial and federal taxes. What made me come up with this is when ebay started pushing the third party pitney bowes shipping (global priority). 'Import fees/duties' are collected alongside the shipping fee. Even when the items are duty free. The mystery fees always seem to be about what the tax would be. Whether these fees are then directed to the appropriate agencies is also a mystery.
    If same item is shipped USPS, there may or may not be taxes collected by Canada Post, kind of hit or miss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    If someone were to do this and WD found out, they would lose their account in mighty short order. Just a friendly public service announcement.


    My pet theory is this has to do with sales tax losses. There may be pressures from various agencies to clamp down on sales that skirt provincial and federal taxes. What made me come up with this is when ebay started pushing the third party pitney bowes shipping (global priority). 'Import fees/duties' are collected alongside the shipping fee. Even when the items are duty free. The mystery fees always seem to be about what the tax would be. Whether these fees are then directed to the appropriate agencies is also a mystery.
    If same item is shipped USPS, there may or may not be taxes collected by Canada Post, kind of hit or miss.
    Anything over $100 dollars is taxable. USPS is pretty decent for taxes and fees.

    Fedex and UPS ground are horrible, you'll end up paying 30% in fees to get your package. You can avoid these fees by using UPS or FedEx air...cost more to ship, but less in fees.


    The WD thing had nothing to do with taxes.

    Canada is a small market, utterly dominated by one chain....so much so that if it were in the states, the govt would have probably broken them up....I got the numbers from Industry Canada, it's shocking.


    WD is seeing their distributor fill orders for 80 stores, so it's all good for them, but those stores a re owned y the same company that owns their distributor. They can mark the prices up however they like, it's all going back to the same pot. YV might have a handful of small independent stores they sell to, but mostly in small towns.

    A lot of small repair shops would sell WD and be able to beat the L&M price, which they hate. This lets L&M get away from selling all parts and make better margins on the parts and repairs. They also control what the small repair shops can charge for parts, since they just took control of the source.


    You can't blame WD, we're small potatoes. L&M dominates the retail space, so it makes sense for WD to do this.


    As awesome as WD is and the people who ran it are, YV and L&M are equally as terrible.
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    why dont you just buy from woosung chorus or G+B pickups ?- both are korean. You will need to buy a box when you buy parts- I dont think they will sell onezee twozees

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    There's a Canadian Ebay seller called Bezdez who imports a lot of Korean parts directly. It might be worth asking her if she could expand the offerings for you.

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    I've never actually dealt with WD myself, but I've looked at their website several times and thought that they seemed like a great source for a lot of items, pickguards and pickguard material especially. This deal sounds like bad news although we'll have to wait and see what happens. I must say though, that the odd time I look at the Allparts stuff, or the tubes, at my local Long & McQuade my first reaction is that the prices are awful compared to what you see on U.S. websites, but actually when you factor in shipping and all that, sometimes they are actually a good deal. Mind you, this might be old stock priced when the dollar was closer to par.

    My last order from AES really got me thinking about this sort of thing. On a reasonable sized order, $190 USD in merchandise, the total in Canadian dollars after shipping, taxes, etc. was about $380. So you really have to double the price you see on the screen to get a sense of what it will really cost. The 'free ground shipping in lower 48 states' banner just kicks some more dirt in it.

    I started looking around for speakers the other day and found a newish place that looks worth a try: nextgenguitars.ca. They carry a large range of Eminence and Celestion at what look like very good prices. Hammond transformers too, and a small selection of guitar hardware that would end up a bit cheaper than Stewmac by the time it was delivered. Also they have free shipping on orders over $150. I'm planning on putting in an order soon and I'll see how it goes. I realise that this thread originated in relation to pickup making; they don't have anything in that category, but looking at their website they seem like they might be interested in expanding into new areas if there was a demand.

    Thumbs up to Bezdez too; if I need tuners for a cheaper guitar, or generic stuff like jackplates or pickguard material they are good to deal with.

    Hope you're all enjoying the holidays,

    Andy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomfield View Post
    I've never actually dealt with WD myself, but I've looked at their website several times and thought that they seemed like a great source for a lot of items, pickguards and pickguard material especially. This deal sounds like bad news although we'll have to wait and see what happens. I must say though, that the odd time I look at the Allparts stuff, or the tubes, at my local Long & McQuade my first reaction is that the prices are awful compared to what you see on U.S. websites, but actually when you factor in shipping and all that, sometimes they are actually a good deal. Mind you, this might be old stock priced when the dollar was closer to par.

    My last order from AES really got me thinking about this sort of thing. On a reasonable sized order, $190 USD in merchandise, the total in Canadian dollars after shipping, taxes, etc. was about $380. So you really have to double the price you see on the screen to get a sense of what it will really cost. The 'free ground shipping in lower 48 states' banner just kicks some more dirt in it.

    I started looking around for speakers the other day and found a newish place that looks worth a try: nextgenguitars.ca. They carry a large range of Eminence and Celestion at what look like very good prices. Hammond transformers too, and a small selection of guitar hardware that would end up a bit cheaper than Stewmac by the time it was delivered. Also they have free shipping on orders over $150. I'm planning on putting in an order soon and I'll see how it goes. I realise that this thread originated in relation to pickup making; they don't have anything in that category, but looking at their website they seem like they might be interested in expanding into new areas if there was a demand.

    Thumbs up to Bezdez too; if I need tuners for a cheaper guitar, or generic stuff like jackplates or pickguard material they are good to deal with.

    Hope you're all enjoying the holidays,

    Andy

    I order from nextgen all the time. 100% great vendor.
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