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    Legalized

    Cannabis is legal for recreational use in Nevada. I might have to give it a try.
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    Meanwhile in Mass. legislature & governor have put off legal sales for another 6 months, so July 2018 at the earliest. I see a bunch of politicians who are asking to be voted out of office next election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
    Meanwhile in Mass. legislature & governor have put off legal sales for another 6 months, so July 2018 at the earliest. I see a bunch of politicians who are asking to be voted out of office next election.
    Nevada was really slow to get the medical cannabis situation sorted out. It'll be a few months I'm sure before retail dispensaries happen here. I doubt the state will waste time though. The tax revenue won't come in until they open up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_H View Post
    Cannabis is legal for recreational use in Nevada. I might have to give it a try.
    Be sure to let us know what it's like!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Be sure to let us know what it's like!
    Expect it to be something like this:



    "Free at last, free at last! Good lawd a'mighty we are free at last! . . . Are we having fun yet?"
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    Yes, be sure to have some Cool Whip on hand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    Yes, be sure to have some Cool Whip on hand!
    I say, Barcalounger and some nachos w/cheese.
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    You guys are all late to the party

    I actually find it amusing that I live in one of the first states to legalize pot and I don't smoke the stuff. Not that I haven't. I use to smoke a little when I was in school and then again later when I grew it for year. It was still black market then so I wanted to have testable THC in my system so I could more easily claim I was growing it for personal use. I grew and sold about $20K for one year only and never did it again. Sold virtually all of it to my band mates at the time. Funny, they were always broke when it came to anything else
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    its down to $500/lb in Humbolt Co. where my parents retired, down from a "high" of >$3k

    People there might have to work 2x harder to make bank... say 200h a year

    People are laying in HUGE grows to make as much as possible, diesel gensets running 24/7/365

    They hope Trumplthinskin's AG puts on the squeeze!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    ......Funny, they were always broke when it came to anything else
    I can relate to that, Chuck! I may have told this story before here, so I apologize if so.

    In the early 80's, I lived in a band house with the rest of the band.
    I came down stairs one day, checked the mail, and there was a final notice on our electricity bill. They were about to pull the plug. I asked everyone in the house for their share of the bill and was met with zero cash and a lot of excuses- oh, I have a child support payment, oh I have a such and such bill, etc.
    I went back up to my room, got dressed and was headed out the door. They asked where I was going. I said to the liquor store. If I'm going to be in the dark, I'm going to at least have booze. I swear, every band member said wait...... and proceeded to fork over cash for drinkage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    I actually find it amusing that I live in one of the first states to legalize pot and I don't smoke the stuff.
    We all know you're a 'shroom guy Chuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    We all know you're a 'shroom guy Chuck.
    I did the shroom thing a couple of times when I was younger. I always thought it would be fun to find THOSE mushrooms now that I hunt edibles and know something about it. And we have some really good shrooms here in the PNW too. Then I found some. Probably eight or ten doses worth. It was more of a novelty as it turned out because I know not to take them when you're anxious and I was always too anxious about taking them. I ended up giving them away.
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    Me too. Back around 68-69 I felt socially obligated to do pot, but really never cared for it. Uppers for me: LSD, mescaline, psyllocybin, MDA. Pot has all the use rituals, and is bulky. it makes me paranoid.

    g1 - Cool Whip? Nah, Redi Whip, the spray whipped cream. The propellant is nitrous oxide. Freeze the can, then toke off the nozzle for a nitrous high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedmich View Post
    its down to $500/lb in Humbolt Co. where my parents retired, down from a "high" of >$3k
    I knew a guy who was part of the movement to legalize pot in Ca. He said that anyone in the movement with any experience knew that it was the black market guys and the authorities they had in their pockets that were the real opposition. Makes sense. There was a lot of money to be made as long as the stuff was illegal and only marginally policed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    g1 - Cool Whip? Nah, Redi Whip, the spray whipped cream. The propellant is nitrous oxide. Freeze the can, then toke off the nozzle for a nitrous high.
    Thanks for the tip , but the cool whip was a Zippy the pinhead reference. He was real big on polysorbate 80.
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    I have a running joke on my dentist. Whenever I go there I demand nitrous. I never get any. I go in for cleaning, "Oh I am way to nervous, I need nitrous." Or drilling, "Are you numb yet?" "No, I need nitrous."

    On a recent visit I explained the RediWhip thing - they were completley unaware. They thought it was hilarious. I was left to my own thoughts of the "old days" when opening my freezer revealed a row of Redi WHips just chillin.
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    Oh, I've done that a few times too. I think I tried everything at least once and then repeated the stuff I liked. Not sure why "stoned" was never my thing. Everyone I know says I should smoke pot (any guesses why )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Me too. Back around 68-69 I felt socially obligated to do pot, but really never cared for it. Uppers for me: LSD, mescaline, psyllocybin, MDA.
    These are NOT technically uppers Enz (except maybe MDA which is an amphetamine) they're referred to as hallucinogens but I almost never had actual hallucinations on them. As opposed to uppers or downers we preferred to call them "outers"
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    And you'll never guess what I am working on M-F from 8 to 5 .... :-)

    I am a project manager consultant, part of a small team, helping the California Department of Food and Agriculture roll out the Medical Cannabis Regulation and Safety Act. We are helping CDFA build an infrastructure to handle the "program" and business (which is all new to them). We are doing this by working on two projects. The first is called "Licensing." Yes, everyone in the supply chain must be licensed. That includes Growers (AKA cultivators), transporters, test labs, manufacturing, and sales (Dispensaries). Second, there is "Track and Trace." Need need to follow and trace the chain from Seed to Sale. We are learning from Colorado, Washington State, Jersey, CT,... But of course, this is California. Everything seems to be a bit more difficult.

    I've been on this project since July. We are still working on purchasing the software packages and integration services. It's a slow moving process. Our target is to have the program rolled out by this time next year.

    Uh, don't bother writing to me asking for free samples!! I doubt I will ever get that close to the end product :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomCarlos View Post
    Uh, don't bother writing to me asking for free samples!! I doubt I will ever get that close to the end product :-)
    Oh, g'wan, you're smiling every time I look at ya! Now we know why .

    Crikeys, who ever thought that would turn into such a bureaucratic nightmare. Oh well, I'm glad you're making a paycheck on it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomCarlos View Post
    And you'll never guess what I am working on M-F from 8 to 5 .... :-)

    I am a project manager consultant, part of a small team, helping the California Department of Food and Agriculture roll out the Medical Cannabis Regulation and Safety Act. We are helping CDFA build an infrastructure to handle the "program" and business (which is all new to them). We are doing this by working on two projects. The first is called "Licensing." Yes, everyone in the supply chain must be licensed. That includes Growers (AKA cultivators), transporters, test labs, manufacturing, and sales (Dispensaries). Second, there is "Track and Trace." Need need to follow and trace the chain from Seed to Sale. We are learning from Colorado, Washington State, Jersey, CT,... But of course, this is California. Everything seems to be a bit more difficult.

    I've been on this project since July. We are still working on purchasing the software packages and integration services. It's a slow moving process. Our target is to have the program rolled out by this time next year.

    Uh, don't bother writing to me asking for free samples!! I doubt I will ever get that close to the end product :-)

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    You know.?. Even though California's culture is considered "laid back" I'm still not surprised that once pot was managed by the state they found a way to make it stressful
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    Cool Tom, I know CA is counting on some MAJOR revenue from what had been a $3-5B crop.
    I wonder if CA will be more like CO (big $ to play) or WA (less)

    How about a DNA bar code the growers have to spray on their crop to allow 100% tracking?

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    No DNA spraying... Plants will be "tagged" with a unique identifier number (a real tag with a bar code or something similar). So when the plant is cut, the numbers will follow the packages - wherever they go.... to a test lab, to a manufacturer, to the eventual point of sale. The idea is that we can "trace back" to the origin (just in case there is some bad crop out there- we need to know where it was grown and what happened). The tracking stops at the sale- we do not track "who buys the product." We track where something is sold.

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    We grouped everything into uppers and downers. Uppers were things that kept you awake and active, downers were things that laid you back if not completely out. So pot was a downer or on the downer list, even if it wasn't a sedative or barbiturate. Acid et al were uppers because you were not going to sleep any time soon. I preferred drugs that made me mentally active and aware. Some other guys liked qaaludes, which made you unconscious and you would see double and fall down. Hallucinogens fell onto the uppers list.

    Hallucinogen was a poor term in most cases, as they mainly provided visual distortions, not hallucinations. They were attractive distortions, but fell short of hallucinations. To me, a hallucination is seeing something that is not there, like a giant talking rabbit. I did enjoy opium, from the downer list, but what the hell... Opium dreams are a real thing, but not really hallucinations. The only drug I recall real hallucinations from was bella donna. On that I DID see people and things that were not really there.

    But I feel I must also report: A couple years ago and before when I was at the peak of my congestive heart failure, my blood oxygen was so low (under 50 at some points) I had real hallucinations. I recall sitting in my truck out back, imagining I was roaming some sort of half scale lighthouse structure full of rooms. I know a few times I was sitting at my desk doing work, and I reached for something, and my hand went through my desk and I pitched forward. This woke me up to the fact I was really sitting on the edge of my bed, not at my desk. it was different from a hypnopompic dream. I had many experiences with those hallucinations. it was not unpleasant at all, though a dangerous sign.
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    It'll be good to get tax revenue from "legalizing" pot. It may help offset SOME of the taxpayer burden of supporting all those unemployable potheads, who won't be able to pass a company drug test to get a job, or fails a test at an existing job, and gets canned.

    "D'OH...we didn't think of THAT!!!"

    Just because it's "legal" doesn't mean companies have to accept potheads, and since they haven't come up, yet, with a good way of narrowing down the time of last use (like blood-alcohol level), you could have never toked ON the job, or right before work, or at lunch...but you'll still test positive.

    "BUT...BUT...but...!!" No "buts". They should have waited until better testing was available, affordable and accurate, before doing something that stupid.

    Meanwhile, for those who don't smoke, and work hard, and pay taxes...enjoy paying for your pothead friends' unemployable lives. They can use taxpayer money you pay to support them, to buy more pot, of which they'll pay a tax on. (Well...not "THEY'LL pay a tax on", it could be your tax dollars buying their pot, and paying their taxes for them).

    Great idea!!
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    Oh I doubt it'll come to that. Pot isn't any more likely to become an accepted dole item than alcohol or oxy. You can't buy alcohol with food stamps and you can't get oxy without a scrip. So recreational pot won't likely come under any sort of assistance protocol and for medical, a scrip is a scrip. I can't write them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    Oh I doubt it'll come to that. Pot isn't any more likely to become an accepted dole item than alcohol or oxy. You can't buy alcohol with food stamps and you can't get oxy without a scrip. So recreational pot won't likely come under any sort of assistance protocol and for medical, a scrip is a scrip. I can't write them.
    Haven't you read Ira Levin's 'This Perfect Day'? Being stoned will become mandatory for our citizens, allowing the bigwigs that run the show to continue unimpeded

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    It'll be good to get tax revenue from "legalizing" pot. It may help offset SOME of the taxpayer burden of supporting all those unemployable potheads, who won't be able to pass a company drug test to get a job, or fails a test at an existing job, and gets canned.
    But more seriously, there are plenty of jobs out there for potheads. Pizza delivery guy? Pothead. Wait staff? Pothead. Barista? Programmer? University professor? Yep. Finding a job is as much a lifestyle choice as finding a house or a sexual partner. They're out there, but may take some looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad1 View Post
    It'll be good to get tax revenue from "legalizing" pot. It may help offset SOME of the taxpayer burden of supporting all those unemployable potheads, who won't be able to pass a company drug test to get a job, or fails a test at an existing job, and gets canned.
    I seriously doubt there's much welfare money that goes to support "otherwise unemployable potheads." Alcoholics, users of hard drugs, otherwise irresponsible people who manage to get their s#1+ together well enough to fill out some forms and sit in an office waiting room interminable hours, or pull the wool over a social worker's eyes, yes there's something to complain about. The "otherwise unemployable potheads" I've met, are all musicians. But that's to be expected in this line of work. Not on welfare, they stay out of trouble, and they pay their bills. Sometimes they like to natter on endlessly, but that's the habit of many a lead guitarist - "solo to end of tape."

    Besides, who's best qualified for gainful employment in the new legal marijuana industry than those who have plenty of experience? Behind the scenes of course, and especially at the sales counter, who do you think would make the best skunk sommeliers & boo barristas.

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    You can't buy alcohol with food stamps
    Plenty of alcohol is bought with SNAP cards - the modern substitute for food stamps. All it takes is a dishonest bodega owner, we have a metric ton of 'em. One (only one!) such was busted out Buffalo way last year, his wife and daughter were a youtube sensation, filmed at the courthouse, giving the finger to the camera and cursing everybody out in some inscrutable middle eastern language. As with many crimes, the authorities bust one every now and then for publicity but it doesn't have much effect on the practice. Simply enough, the bill is rung up for X amount of canned tuna or cabbage or whatever, and half that value of beer, booze, cigs or other non-SNAP-allowed items are taken. It's a win-win for store owner and customer! Unless they get caught. They have a better chance of being hit by lightning.

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    Once it is legal, there will be a cry for a better blood test. Currently tests for pot only tell them you have used it within the last period of time, say a month. it does not say how much is in your system or whether you are "under the influence". HAving a test that shows you had a cocktail or two last night at dinner is not a deal breaker, while showing up drunk IS. Same with pot, there will be a demand for tests that show more than they presently do.

    And you can't lump all pot users into an umbrella "potheads". Some are total stoners, others are perfectly normal adults. Just as everyone who consumes alcohol is not a "drunk".
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    A few responses:

    1) I have a few former co-workers currently working on the policy and legislative side of Canada's upcoming federal decriminalization. Note that, on this side of the border, it is not feasible for it to be legal in one province and illegal in another, as is the case with state-to-state variation. As a consequence, Canada really had to wait until there was enoguh state-wise critical mass to attempt to legalize at the federal/national level.

    2) Citizens have come to expect, and deserve to expect, the same safety and product assurance standards for weed that they get with food and traditional prescription and over-the-counter drugs. Of course, with such a lengthy history of weed being underground and unregulated, the steps involved in providing such standards and assurances feel like so much unnecessary red tape and bureaucratic obstruction. The mentality among many seems to be "It's legal, now, so get out of my face." Aspirin is legal too, but folks expect that when the bottle says 325mg of ASA, that this is precisely what it contains, only what it contains, and what it will always contain.

    3) One of the biggest legal hurdles to address is what constitutes DUI when it comes to weed. That has two parts to it: figuring out what sorts of blood-THC levels can legitimately be deemed problematic or a driving safety risk, and coming up with a cost-effective, quick, valid, non-invasive way to assess what side of the line one is on, that can withstand court challenges.

    Think of it this way. Anything that might add 200msec to your reaction time, be it texting or other distractions, being in your 80s, or some chemical alterationof your processing, increases the risk of vehicular collisions and fatalities. So, while a joint might not render your judgment nearly as impaired as someone who has downed a half-dozen shots on an empty stomach, if it slows your ability to react to sudden unexpected events in the flow of traffic, you become a danger to yourself and others. As I like to put it, would you want to be on a highway in the midst of hundreds of others in your cognitive state, who are also driving 70mph and switching lanes without signalling? A few tenths of a second often makes the difference between life and death. Moreover, today's roads have more vehicles on them, that are more manouverable in small spaces (which drivers take advantage of), and driven at higher speeds using technology that gives drivers a false sense of security.

    So, it's not that this is a rationale for keeping weed illegal. Rather, given just how many people drive, drive fast, and drive poorly, determining the appropriate relationship between legalization and driving is a very important consideration to pin down before launching full swing into legalization. On the other hand, I suppose you won't get better data than proceeding without such standards, and using post-crash blood tests to ascertain the difference between high-risk and low-risk levels. Not sure I'm comfortable with using the populace as guinea pigs, though.

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    And according to the ads, the Redi-Whip is actually made with real cream, unlike Chem-Whip. Win-Win!

    Geez... when I worked in a grocery store many years ago, a coworker went to the refrigerated section and snorted the nitrous. He got high, hen went running around the store opening all sorts of munchies and drinks, sampling them. Then as we left the store, he and a few others made loud proclamations that they were going home to smoke a bowl. Needless to say, the following night there was no Grocery Dept. to unload the stock truck - we had ALL been notified that we could not return to work until we had reported to the lab for a drug test...

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    Well, three days into the new legislation, and there is no visible cloud of pot smoke over Las Vegas. The response, as far as I can tell is quite positive. The anti cannabis stigma has been pretty weak here for a while. 20 years ago, any amount, or any paraphernalia related was a felony. If you were busted with as much as a seed, you faced dire consequences. The weed wasn't nearly as dangerous as getting caught with some. That's the best part of this new law. It frees up law enforcement to focus on crimes that have actual victims, and relieves the court system of enforcing laws that can't really benefit society. The biggest problem that remains is the federal government giving it a classification as a schedule 1 narcotic. This is only a matter of time. It's been fifty years since the "Summer of Love", it won't hurt to wait a little while longer. I don't drink, use tobacco, drop acid, smoke crack, abuse pharmaceuticals, drink soda pop, or screw around with any other 'street' drugs, but I enjoy cannabis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Thomas View Post
    when I worked in a grocery store many years ago, a coworker went to the refrigerated section and snorted the nitrous. He got high, hen went running around the store opening all sorts of munchies and drinks, sampling them. Then as we left the store, he and a few others made loud proclamations that they were going home to smoke a bowl. Needless to say, the following night there was no Grocery Dept. to unload the stock truck - we had ALL been notified that we could not return to work until we had reported to the lab for a drug test...
    Never seen nitrous as a munchies inducer. That guy must have been stoned to the rafters before he started with the whip cream. Strikes me as a person without much self control anyway. As far as drug testing, the local Home Despot & Lowes have big signs up proclaiming their employees are drug free. Well you could have fooled me, never seen a bigger bunch of dunderheads and slackers. I'd just as soon have somebody that IS stoned, as long as they can keep the bolts & nuts sorted out, help me get a couple of 16 foot 2x12's to the checkout, and accurately direct me to where they keep various odds n ends.
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    Well, you don't HAVE to be stoned to be slow, stupid, and incompetent.

    There are high functioning heavy users and there are low. My experience has been that my friends from the 60s who have smoked lots of pot ever since all are working. But the guys who were cooks in restarants then, are still doing that nowe. the ones who worked as store clerks then, still do.

    Nitrous wears off FAST, and leaves no trace. It causes a certain euphoria, and in strong amounts causes auditory hallucinations. But munchies? Not in my experience.

    Mark made some good points, but I am always concerned that there is no standard for how well someone must drive. it is fair to say if your reflexes are slowed by 10-20%, then you are not driving your best. But what if your slowed 20% reflexes are better than many people's 100%? My dear departed mother one time hit a parked car while driving down the street, completely sober. There is no standard for how good your reflexes must be. The driving tests I have seen find if you can pilot a vehicle in very basic traffic situations and then parallel park. And even that is usually only done as you apply for your first license.
    Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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