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    DiMarios 80s Any made with none hex poles, blank, slot type dia.? Re Kay K45 guitar

    DiMarios 80s Any made with none hex poles, blank, slot type dia.? Re Kay K45 guitar

    I bought a Kay K45 rifle guitar/Austin hatchet made only in 1981 travel guitar that are ostensibly DiMarzios.

    No stamped logo, brass plate but threads stripped on adjuster holes.
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    There were many DiMarzio copies back in the 80s. It was common to see lots of Asian guitars with DiMarzio looking pickups, both with hex poles and not. Even Schaller made their own clones.

    I have a few of them in my parts box.

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    Hi David,
    Thanks.
    So, of unknown quality, copied cosmetically only?
    Everyone listing these at £2-400 confidently claims that they are DM's!
    Cheers

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    The quality is probably good. I have one of those mounted in a guitar I built. It's probably from one of the Korean makers.

    If they were DiMarzio it would have their name on the bottom.

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    Really, specifically from a Kay K40? or would it be the only copy available?
    K40 was built in Cort factory.
    I thought pups in copies of that era were the weak point.
    Thanks

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    zedax, those depicted p'ups are *not* DMZ.

    They're cheap, OEM, asian origin p'ups.

    You can easily spot'em due to that horrible colored, extremely high capacitance lead coming out.

    And the model made with two slug bobbins were the cheapest of'em all.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

    HTH,

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    Thanks. I had concluded the same but when confronted with so many listings purporting they are DMs I consulted the oracle.
    I think it is down to the colour.
    However, I read an article that maintained that any functioning pup has appreciable merits, depending on taste.
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedax View Post
    However, I read an article that maintained that any functioning pup has appreciable merits, depending on taste.

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    Blocked for NBC Universal copyright reasons, so, we will never know why you posted it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedax View Post
    I read an article that maintained that any functioning pup has appreciable merits, depending on taste.
    Well anybody can say anything in an article, and they often do! But this statement reminds me of a quote that was attributed to Nile Rodgers: "never get rid of any reverb." No matter how trashy. I guess you could say the same for pickups, speakers, amps, etc. If you have the room to keep it, also keep in your memory where you have it, something that sounds "off" might just be the hook that makes your next recording a hit.

    Then the trouble starts: you have to perfectly replicate it every day on your worldwide concert tour.

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    Hi, It's only a pup, one factor in a long chain from string to ears with numerous ways of processing it in between.
    One man's "off" is another man's on, though I do recognise consensus of opinion, but also advertising, product reinforcement, endorsements, peer pressure, gullibility etc.
    I prefer alnico Celestion speakers and yet some seek JBL 120s which to my ears are harsh, sterile and pingy.
    I somehow prefer SD alnico pups but I have not researched each type or option using an AB comparison with the many variables I refer to above.
    I ended up with a rig that had a fault that I was not aware of which along with a roller saddle trem. that robbed me of sustain that I didn't recognise.
    I developed a style that compensated with more and cleaner notes.
    That's probably relates to Ywingie endorsing low output pups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedax View Post
    Blocked for NBC Universal copyright reasons, so, we will never know why you posted it?
    Bummer. Where are you? No blocking issues here.
    Unfortunately, it's one of those "you have to see it", "picture is worth a thousand words" dealies.
    A verbal description could never be as eloquent.

    Nonetheless:
    As cows graze in the background, Jack White partially drives three ~16d nails into a ~2-1/2 ft length of crusty old warped 2x4. He strings some bailing wire between the terminal nails, and jams an empty Coke bottle under the wire at one end- the third nail blocking the bottle from sliding toward center. At about midpoint, he secures a ~6" length of 1x4 pine with two brads at diagonal corners. To this riser, he loosely attaches what appears to be a cheap Tele bridge pup (with conveniently pre-attached output jack pigtail) by tacking it down with a single nail driven through a mounting hole in the bottom flange. He plugs into an amp and plays some uber-raunchy riffage- using a Craftsman spark plug socket as a slide, natch. Upon completion of scaring the cattle, he breaks the third wall to inquire "Who says you need to buy a guitar".


    Get it?
    -rb

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedax View Post
    Blocked for NBC Universal copyright reasons, so, we will never know why you posted it?
    You didn't miss a thing, 1:37 minutes, I'll never get back.
    Too bad it wasn't blocked here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    You didn't miss a thing, 1:37 minutes, I'll never get back.
    Too bad it wasn't blocked here! T
    Terry I hope you'll risk another couple minutes for a new post on your "covers" thread. No fence posts, no wire, just a little fun. http://music-electronics-forum.com/t26810-5/#post449396

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    I don't know anything about your pickup, but I do clearly remember in the 80s, Cort LP style guitars advertised in the Sears catalog with "super distortion pickups" They had all blank slugs and double cream bobbins. Dimarzio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    You didn't miss a thing, 1:37 minutes, I'll never get back.
    Too bad it wasn't blocked here!
    The man's a genius. We just don't understand him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
    Terry I hope you'll risk another couple minutes for a new post on your "covers" thread. No fence posts, no wire, just a little fun. http://music-electronics-forum.com/t26810-5/#post449396
    Ignoramus question: Why the two mics?
    Different EQ/FX for verse vs. chorus?
    Out-of-phase mics cancellation system ala Grateful Dead?
    Some other reason?

    -rb

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    Thanks dmartn, back on topic. Could still be copies with additional plagiarism as the Super Distortion ref. may not have been copyrighted. Hopefully DM changed to adjustable pole screws.

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    Pups off a Cort M200. Any comments? Click image for larger version. 

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    When I evaluate a humbucker?
    I like to know how it sounds, and how it is made.
    Does it have a nickel, or brass baseplate?
    If brass, I don't fool with rewinding them.
    Does it have Nickel silver or brass plated covers.
    If brass I scrap the cover.
    So, if it has a nickel baseplate, standard type bobbins, standard metal parts, I usually rewind them.
    The screws, slugs, & magnet can be replaced & tuned for tone.
    Just evaluating a OEM humbucker by attempting brand ID, is IMO means little, & is nonproductive!
    GL,
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjb View Post
    Bummer. Where are you? No blocking issues here.
    Unfortunately, it's one of those "you have to see it", "picture is worth a thousand words" dealies.
    A verbal description could never be as eloquent.

    Nonetheless:
    As cows graze in the background, Jack White partially drives three ~16d nails into a ~2-1/2 ft length of crusty old warped 2x4. He strings some bailing wire between the terminal nails, and jams an empty Coke bottle under the wire at one end- the third nail blocking the bottle from sliding toward center. At about midpoint, he secures a ~6" length of 1x4 pine with two brads at diagonal corners. To this riser, he loosely attaches what appears to be a cheap Tele bridge pup (with conveniently pre-attached output jack pigtail) by tacking it down with a single nail driven through a mounting hole in the bottom flange. He plugs into an amp and plays some uber-raunchy riffage- using a Craftsman spark plug socket as a slide, natch. Upon completion of scaring the cattle, he breaks the third wall to inquire "Who says you need to buy a guitar".


    Get it?
    -rb
    I know that movie! There's a few personal moments with Jimmy Page that I like. And Jack White spends some time teaching his younger self how to step on guitars for the sake of ART.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjb View Post
    Ignoramus question: Why the two mics?
    Different EQ/FX for verse vs. chorus?
    Out-of-phase mics cancellation system ala Grateful Dead?
    Some other reason?-rb
    again, apologies to pickup folks. The yellow tape mic is straight-up. The other one has a doubling/harmonizer effect on it, to approximate the vocal doubling effect the Beatles used. I can only guess Annie does it this way maybe because there's a different FOH mixer every show, can't count on that person to pay attention to cues and have fast fingers. So she sets it up with two mics. Practical and looks kool too.

    Any more questions maybe better taken to the Cover Tunes thread, to help preserve sanity (?) of our pickup friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Does it have a nickel, or brass baseplate?
    If brass, I don't fool with rewinding them.

    Why not? I think that's an over generalization. Most DiMarzio pickups have brass baseplates. They sound fine. So do Asian copies. I’ve rewound a few, an they come out fine. The baseplate doesn’t make that much of a difference, and if you can’t figure out how to make a pickup with a brass baseplate sound good, there’s something wrong there! You only have one formula to follow?


    And I’d bet blindfolded you wouldn’t be able to tell.


    I make some humbuckers with forbon baseplates too. Doesn't really matter. They all come out sounding the way I wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
    again, apologies to pickup folks. The yellow tape mic is straight-up. The other one has a doubling/harmonizer effect on it, to approximate the vocal doubling effect the Beatles used. I can only guess Annie does it this way maybe because there's a different FOH mixer every show, can't count on that person to pay attention to cues and have fast fingers. So she sets it up with two mics. Practical and looks kool too.

    Any more questions maybe better taken to the Cover Tunes thread, to help preserve sanity (?) of our pickup friends.
    Annie's AMAZING. I'm guessing she gets to choose what vocal sound she's getting herself rather than the sound person cuing it in.

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    I use to fool with brass guitar humbuckers, but I prefer the sound of nickel with alinco, for guitar pickups.
    A personal preference thing. I only use the parts I like.
    If you like brass, go for it.
    I don't!
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I use to fool with brass guitar humbuckers, but I prefer the sound of nickel with alinco, for guitar pickups.
    A personal preference thing. I only use the parts I like.
    If you like brass, go for it.
    I don't!
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    So you only make one kind of pickup? Where's the challenge in that! Try something new. Step outside your comfort zone.

    I make some with alnico magnets. I make some with ceramic or neos. It all depends on the tone I want. I really don't hear any difference with brass baseplates. But if there was, you can even use that as part of the formula. Like the way Dimarzio puts a thin brass plate on top of the Model One bass humbucker.

    DiMarzio makes an awful lot of different sounding pickups with brass baseplates. So I think that demonstrates that the baseplate doesn't have a tone.

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    Lots of guitars back in the 80s had what looks like DiMarzio pickups. Or at least they were double-cream bobbins. I think it was trendy as DiMarzio was hot back then. But any of these guitars would have looked fine with black or white pickups and rings.
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    I have some Dimarzio pickups from the 1980s.

    Here's what I've seen.

    The legs either have Triangular tabs or Square tabs ... never seen the round ones like in your photos
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    The slug pieces in the 80s had a "sunken" center. This later became a fairly obvious "bulls eye" or "whirl".
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    kmensik | Hondo II LPC ? rajce.net
    Hondo II with original "OEM" DiMarzio Super 3. The cable may not be original, the other pickup had grey cable.

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