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    Quote Originally Posted by eschertron View Post
    I think 'pop' as in 'popular' is very much used across genres to describe a separation of the lightweights from the heavyweights. Contrast Pachelbel's Canon in D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNbe34V1nog with something by Pierre Boulez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX__LB_ajTs. Boston pops would never touch the modern thing
    Boulez would be more in the wheelhouse of the BSO(Boston Symphony Orchestra). But, when the Pops get the gig to accompany a world class/popular soloist, then they'll break out some Stravinskiy, Dvorak, etc.
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    And now we have groups playing together like Metallica & the San Francisco Symphony, Scorpions and the Berlin Philharmonic, Aerosmith and the Boston Pops, Steve Vai and several different orchestras, several "crossover" collaborations between Country and Rock and so on. Campy? Yeah. Sort of cool? Yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gui_tarzan View Post
    And now we have groups playing together like Metallica & the San Francisco Symphony, Scorpions and the Berlin Philharmonic, Aerosmith and the Boston Pops, Steve Vai and several different orchestras, several "crossover" collaborations between Country and Rock and so on. Campy? Yeah. Sort of cool? Yeah.
    Back in the 70s - boy, am I old or what? - Rick Wakeman in his post-Yes days did a bunch of semi-classical recordings to cash in on the SCA and the Medieval/Renaissance-festival movement. Jeff (hmm hmm cant remember his last name) did a pop/symphonic recording of 'War of the Worlds'. I'm sure there were others. Of course, before all that were the Moody Blues. As far as "symphonic rock" goes, my upvote goes to Days of Future Past as the best of that style/mashup. Classical ensembles , large and small, backing up a soloist or pop group is as old as pop itself.
    Now that it think of it, celebrity soloists go back to Liszt, Paganini, and before. They, among others, have been imparted with 'Rock Star' status posthumously. Metallica, stand back and listen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschertron View Post
    Back in the 70s - boy, am I old or what? - Rick Wakeman in his post-Yes days did a bunch of semi-classical recordings to cash in on the SCA and the Medieval/Renaissance-festival movement. Jeff (hmm hmm cant remember his last name) did a pop/symphonic recording of 'War of the Worlds'. I'm sure there were others. Of course, before all that were the Moody Blues. As far as "symphonic rock" goes, my upvote goes to Days of Future Past as the best of that style/mashup. Classical ensembles , large and small, backing up a soloist or pop group is as old as pop itself.
    Now that it think of it, celebrity soloists go back to Liszt, Paganini, and before. They, among others, have been imparted with 'Rock Star' status posthumously. Metallica, stand back and listen!
    I LOVE Franz Liszt. He was able to take absolute elite technique and compose brilliant works of music... probably even more so than Paganini. Personally, I think his chord work and writing were revolutionary.

    Could you imagine if this wanker could actually write music?:



    .. I can't even make it through–friggin' boring

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschertron View Post
    Jeff (hmm hmm cant remember his last name) did a pop/symphonic recording of 'War of the Worlds'.
    Jeff Wayne? Gustav Holst's 'The Planets'?
    'War of the Worlds' was a novel by H.G. Wells, and a radio drama directed and narrated by Orson Welles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gui_tarzan View Post
    And now we have groups playing together like Metallica & the San Francisco Symphony,...
    The earliest pop/symphonic mashup I recall was "Three Pieces for Blues Band and Symphony Orchestra".
    Written in 1968, recorded in 1972, conducted by Seiji Ozawa.
    I borrowed the LP from the library soon after it came out; haven't heard it since.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_...hony_Orchestra


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    Les has a date with a pretty lady, and he really likes her. The rest of the crew is trying to gently tell him she is a prostitute. At one point they tell him she is "in the oldest profession, Les." Les says, "She's a FARMER?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    I don't think I ever heard the term "pop" applied to anything but rock before MTV.
    In Chicago "pop" means soda-pop.soda-pop.png
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschertron View Post
    Back in the 70s - boy, am I old or what? - Rick Wakeman in his post-Yes days did a bunch of semi-classical recordings to cash in on the SCA and the Medieval/Renaissance-festival movement.
    You must be referring to this:



    It was happily forgotten in my mind until you mentioned it. IMO classical recordings performed on 1970s period synthesizers just haven't held up well. I tried listening to the Fresh Aire series recently and 40-50 years later those recordings are just impossible to sit through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    In Chicago "pop" means soda-pop.Click image for larger version. 

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    It means that here, too. I was talking to a friend of mine in the Phoenix area a while back. In his area, they call soda pop "coke"- all kinds. Seems stupid to me. If you order a coke there, they ask you what kind. In my mind, you already said what kind. Why would you call 7up coke?
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    So if I wanted a Mountain Dew, I'd have to say, "I'd like a Mountain-Dew-Coke"? that's weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    It was happily forgotten in my mind until you mentioned it. IMO classical recordings performed on 1970s period synthesizers just haven't held up well. I tried listening to the Fresh Aire series recently and 40-50 years later those recordings are just impossible to sit through.
    Chip Davis is a local boy 'round here in Ohio. I regard him as somewhat of a pioneer in taking music production out of the hands of the record companies. And yes, the tone of a 1975 synth hasn't aged all that well, IMHO.
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    Yep, the coke thing is wider spread than you'd think.

    Coke meant Coke, but it became a generic term for all soft carbonated drinks. Like Kleenex became generic for facial tissue. So at that point one has to ask what kind coke you want?

    I just bought a new Strat. Oh what kind of Strat did you buy?

    At the end of the work day, 5PM, someone will say "It's Miller Time, let's go." And off we went, whether we were going to drink Millers or Bud or PBR. Or I suppose even the guy drinking orange juice holding my car keys.

    Waitress, I'd like a beer with my lunch. What kind of beer? Root.

    My sister says soda, and gives me great guff when I say pop. I don't know anyone who says "soda-pop", but I am sure that is standard in some areas too.
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    etc. ad nauseum. Even Formica and Styrofoam are brand specific and we barely know what the actual product would be called!?! Wouldn't it be nice to make a mark like that and not worry about money anymore!?! It probably didn't work out for the actual inventor, but if "I" had been the guy who came up with the little three legged thingy that keeps the pizza box lid off your pie I'd be getting PAID. And that thing doesn't even have a name I'm aware of.

    Anyway... I thought you old codgers called all those bubbly drinks "phosphates"
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    The implication being that you're not an old codger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    The implication being that you're not an old codger?
    I was hoping to NOT be called on that.
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    Speaking of the thread title, I just chased a power supply problem around the block several times only to find out that the ground wire had broken on my scope probe.
    Son of a bizzitch! I hate it when that happens!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Speaking of the thread title, I just chased a power supply problem around the block several times only to find out that the ground wire had broken on my scope probe.
    Son of a bizzitch! I hate it when that happens!
    LOL! Seriously
    I can't count the number of times some bench gear failure sent me on a goose chase for an hour or more! Usually it's a low battery in the DMM. Sometimes it's an alligator clip that's been connected for two days, but you disconnected it for one test and forgot... You can laugh or cry, your choice Life is funny. Sometimes in the "Haha" way and sometimes more like the way your camping gear smells. Life's not for pussies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    Anyway... I thought you old codgers called all those bubbly drinks "phosphates"
    Weeeeeeeellllllllll... there was something called Phospho-Soda, but... Yeah, I don't think that's what you want to order. Ever. But it sure was a hell of a lot better than the alternative!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    Anyway... I thought you old codgers called all those bubbly drinks "phosphates"
    It's called "sarsaparilla", you young whippersnapper!

    My niece calls that little pizza tripod thingy a "noid." That must go back to the old Domino's commercials that used the tag line, "avoid the noid."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    I can't count the number of times some bench gear failure sent me on a goose chase for an hour or more! Usually it's a low battery in the DMM.
    That's happened to me. There's a very embarrassing thread around here where I was griping about being beaten to death by a box of NOS CC resistors that had drifted DOWN (?!?) while sitting in storage. I had to do a public facepalm when I figured out that my DMM started giving crappy readings long before the battery warning came on.
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    I do recall a time a decade or more ago when I measured a resistor and found it shorted. Thought to myself, "Hmm, first time in 50 years I ever found a SHORTED resistor." And then miraculously found two more in succession. Then I checked my meter battery.

    By the way old whippersnapper, it is "sarsaparilla".
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    thanks. now that i know that i'm not old enough to get the spelling right, i feel like a younger codger.
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    Only once have I found resistors lower in value. It was when I was working for a satellite manufacturing company. After a run of identical problems on receivers, we discovered that the vendor had stamped the wrong color codes on a batch of resistors. We had to recall all receivers made with that batch of resistors. So actually, the resistors didn't change value. They weren't right to start with.
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