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Thread: Does anyone have the book 'Making and Playing Musical Instruments'

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    Does anyone have the book 'Making and Playing Musical Instruments'

    Does anyone have a copy of the book 'Making and Playing Musical Instruments' by Jack Botermans, Herman Dewit, and Hans Goddefroy. It's been out of print for many years and I've been unable to locate a copy in the UK. If I import a copy from the US, books are now being targeted for tax and handling fees through customs even though books are officially exempt from import taxes (the collection of tax is subcontracted and being wrongfully applied - I really got stung last year which left me badly out of pocket)

    I just want to see if the section on building a Gurdy would be useful, as I want to build one and include soundboard transducers + a preamp. I think there are just 5 pages outlining the construction, so perhaps not enough in itself but maybe a good outline. The only reference I can find to anyone who has built one is a guy who had a blog up to 2013 and he didn't go further than a part-build, but he's no longer contactable.

    I like the look of what he'd done up to the point he abandoned the blog and it looks like an instrument I could build over the winter months. I abandoned my previous attempt because the construction was way too ambitious due to choosing an overly-complex design that was grindingly slow.

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    Don't know anything about this place but it's online here:
    Making and playing musical instruments / text, Afke den Boer and Margot de Zeeuw ; translation, Anthony Burrett ; working drawings, Piet Hohmann ; [edited in cooperation with] Jack Botermans, Herman Dewit, Hans Goddefroy. book online read or download

    SAYS you can download a PDF of the book but I'M NOT sure of them-they are in Russia according to the URL.

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    Oh, itīs a click and bait place, thay actually have nothing:
    This site does'nt contain any text of books and there is no content to download or no refs (external or internal links to read or download any book).
    This site is a catalog of book titles and their ISBN numbers. On this site it is impossible to download the book, read a book or get the contents of a book.
    All rights, titles, descriptions of books held by their respective owners. Website administration is not responsible for the titles, description, or any content authors books.
    This site does'nt contain any text of books and there is no content to download or no refs (external or internal links to read or download any book). Read the DMCA notice.
    The site is under mechanized filling.
    email: admin@booksnow.ru
    Even if you see the "Download" button, this does not mean that the link leads to the resource with the content placed on it. This is not an offer to download content. This is a test function of this site.
    The contents of the website, does not constitute a public offer.
    The web site works in a test mode and does not contain any kind of content books or books itself.


    EDIT: I bet at the end of the page (didnīt scroll it in full) or when you click the useless download button twice they say something like:
    sorry we donīt have that book available, but would you be interested in sports jerseys cheap ?
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    Thanks - I'd encountered this site before (along with a number of others that need credit card details to "verify the use ID") and all the links are inoperative. I know there was a .pdf of just the gurdy components that had been redrawn full-size a few years ago, but I can't find that either.

    Just to be clear in case anyone thinks I'm encouraging breaking the law by requesting the section: Copyright law in the UK allows a single chapter or up to 10% of a book to be copied for personal or research purposes under an exemption to copyright law under what is termed 'Fair Dealing for Private Study or Research'. This is one of the exceptions in the UK's Copyright, Designs and Patents Act which allow copying of copyright protected material without the permission of the copyright owner. The category under which my particular interest falls is covered by the definition;

    Artistic works: any work which is a graphic work (such as a map, chart, plan, painting, drawing or diagram); a photograph (including an electronic image); a sculpture; a collage; a work of architecture (including a building or a model for a building); or a "work of artistic craftsmanship".

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    Oh, nobodyīs accusing you of anything ... if anything envying you for wishing to tackle such a COOL instrument



    it can definitely replace a *swarm* of crazy drunk Gipsy violin players if you want to enhance your Daughterīs wedding party at Count Wolfensteinīs castle

    that said, looks like it can be had (used) for some U$20 + shipping.

    Now if you get it through DHL or any of the infamous expensive carriers, you will pay a ton becauseb they charge by the gram, plus all taxes, etc. , donīt care about whatīs inside the package, but regular "official" post, be it USPS, Royal Mail, etc. should be inexpensive.
    "Printed matter" in fact is subsidized, so you get a reduced rate, and UK mail should just X Ray it to check itīs only printed paper and slip it under your door, not even requiring personal pickup at the nearest office.
    And no Import Tax, of course, thatīs agreed by ALL members of the International Postal Union.

    Only problem can be (it happened to me) that seller , out of ignorance or lazyness may refuse to ship it that way and choose the expensive one.
    I wanted to buy a paper copy of Jack Darrīs book for some U$26 or so and seller *only* shipped by the most expensive carrier, adding some U$46 to cost, which I wonīt pay on principle.
    Iīll probably choose "free delivey" or "U$5 delivery" to my Sister{ī home in California and have her drop it at local Post Office for the cheapest USPS mail available.
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    This is a long shot, but I think Richard Thompson once mentioned that he built a hurdy gurdy, on his old website called "Beesweb".
    Welcome to BeesWeb - The Official Site of Richard Thompson
    There used to be a lot of geek-level info on that site. Unfortunately, it appears that most of the links are now broken.
    RT does have a Facebook page and a Twitter feed, but I don't do that stuff.

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    That's some incredible playing. You can hear where Satriani gets his ideas when listening from 1:50 onwards. I first heard this instrument in the back streets of St. Malo in France about 30 years ago. Some down-and-out guy with an instrument he'd built himself - kind of a cigar-box build. It's haunted me ever since.

    Say RJB, you're not alone - I don't engage with Facebook or Twitter either. If I'm spending time online I'd rather be doing it here and improve my knowledge and understanding.

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    Not a Luthier by any means, so no clue, but: can this help?




    from:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/BuildaGurdy...on_megathread/
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    It does establish some critical dimensions and relationships. I'm leaning towards a later-style instrument more like the one played here, but I could lift the core mechanics of any instrument and build it in whatever style suits

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyIXR3s8OtY

    It seems that the instrument is getting reinvented. Here's a more electronic sound and the type of instrument construction I abandoned.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhTR...TFXZgE&index=3
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    This may give you some idea of the internals: Hurdkit.pdf

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    Hi Mick, here is the full set of plans that Juan posted a couple of pages from:

    This will take me a few posts to get them all in.
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    More hurdy-gurdy:
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    And some more:

    There is another drawing (.07) and a booklet (3) which are too big to upload here. If you are interested let me know and I'll try to send them to you.

    Andy
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    That playing broke my brain into small pieces, WOW!!!!!!!
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    Could not help myself
    Donovan: Hurdy Gurdy Man
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZjDll7IB4

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    Love that song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomfield View Post
    And some more:

    There is another drawing (.07) and a booklet (3) which are too big to upload here. If you are interested let me know and I'll try to send them to you.

    Andy
    Thanks Andy - I just got them off the site and the construction book is really useful. I'd not seen that before, but it does outline that this particular instrument is a more complex build and highly likely to not get completed if I start it - mainly due to a large number of competing projects. My interest in the DeWitt gurdy is that it's straightforward and should be fairly rapid to put together. Thinking in guitar terms, like building a Telecaster compared with a replica D'Aquisto archtop.
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    Going to do some Arcade Fire tunes Mick?
    I was watching this and lo and behold, what's that she's playing?

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    If you do build one, you might want to put an electric starter on it. That girl seemed like she was having a hell of a time getting it started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    Going to do some Arcade Fire tunes Mick?
    I was watching this and lo and behold, what's that she's playing?
    "It's then that the huurdy guurdy man comes singing songs of luuuuvv...."

    Crikeys this band even has a bass clarinet. There must have been a clear-out sale at the local Salvation Army discount shop.

    BTW I've liked them even before they broke out in the USA. Early 2000's they were Montreal's best kept secret along with poutine. That sure couldn't last forever.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude
    If you do build one, you might want to put an electric starter on it. That girl seemed like she was having a hell of a time getting it started.
    Yeh you gotta have a strong forearm, crank that thing like you're making sausage in the days before motors got into the kitchen.
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    Damn, that video is blocked in the UK. It isn't just North Korea that limits web content. I'll look them up.

    I've managed to get hold of the chapter that I was looking for. Quite a few dimensional and construction issues, though a company that builds gurdys has produced some support notes. It's too big to post here but if anyone is interested I can PM it.

    The playing technique for these instruments is a lot more involved than it first seems - there's a loose bridge (dog bridge) that vibrates against the soundboard and this introduces a rhythmic pattern beneath the melody and drone notes. It's controlled by modulating the crank rotation, but can be disengaged, as can many of the strings, to produce different tonality.

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    This one seems to work here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6hNQwAAf5o

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