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    What, and lose sales????

    Human greed knows no limits.

    In 1981 Spain people started dying in droves: 700 dead, some 25 thousand very sick.

    It was originally blamed on contaminated cooking oil, but later it was found that one tomato farmer , in his own words: "I found my tomato patch covered in snails devouring it, so I sprayed them with strong insecticide and killed them all. Saved about 1/3 of the crop and sold it at the local markets".
    The one he used IS approved for human consumption vegetables, but a 60 day safety window is needed .... he just washed them with a garden hose and sold right away.
    When asked about his responsibility he answered, very angry: "should I waste my crop and lose all my money?"
    Same thing.
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    Ban tomatoes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axtman View Post
    BTW, I also make it a policy to replace those hardware store replacement plugs with a new molded plug and wire. There are good industrial replacement plugs, but I don't trust them. I bet someone could make a mint if they started making replacement power cords with red plugs like old Fender amps.
    Agreed! The replacement power cords aren't that expensive. BTW if the wire gauge is big enough those IEC computer cords make good power cords but the color codes are often strange so be sure to ohm them out.

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    And as if things weren't confusing enough, I present Exhibit B.

    https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/tex...s-infographic/

    So maybe those power cords were wired "correctly" after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    In fairness, the power cords in question were IEC cords. The wires inside were wired correctly, just the wrong colors. This normally wouldn't matter, but I told the salesman I wanted them to lop off the female and use them as hard wired cords. In THAT use the wire color matters.
    If the price was right I would have bought them and put the proper US color coded heat shrink tubing on the cut leads so as to not confuse anybody later. But then again I am a real fanatic about using color coded heat shrink tubing...

    I just rewired a friend's ES335 clone and sleeved the coax leads with color coded heat shrink tubing not realizing that it would be visible looking through the F hole. Darn! It turned out that the bridge volume pot had a dead spot around 1 so when you were turning it down with the selector switch in the middle position the volume would get softer and softer and then jump right back up. So I was able to redo the darned red and white heat shrink tubing looking up at me through the F hole when playing the guitar. Whew!

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    The problem with using a mis-colored cord is that even if you re-color code the "amp side" wires, what happens if someone tries to splice a new plug on the male end? It's just not worth risking peoples lives or a lawsuit over the nominal cost of a power cord, IMHO. These whacked-out cords are a good reminder to VERIFY things with an ohmmeter rather than make assumptions based on insulation color...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axtman View Post
    And as if things weren't confusing enough, I present Exhibit B.

    https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/tex...s-infographic/

    So maybe those power cords were wired "correctly" after all.
    Enzo mentioned 'green/yellow wire was either hot or neutral, and brown was earth' - nowhere on that page uses/d such a system?

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    The vendor waved me off when I told him my application. The average soul who just needs a power cord would have been OK. How many people put a new male end on an IEC cord? The new male plug costs more than a whole new cord.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    The vendor waved me off when I told him my application. The average soul who just needs a power cord would have been OK. How many people put a new male end on an IEC cord? The new male plug costs more than a whole new cord.
    I'm not weighing in on whether or not a person should use those cords. I will say that lots of people put new ends on broken power cords. I see amps come into the shop all the time that way. For the user/non-tech it's a better solution than taking apart the amp. They don't want to get into the guts of the thing, so they just chop off the end of the cord and put a new plug on it.
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    I was talking IEC power cords - "computer power cords". The ones that just plug into the rear of the amp. No amp disassembly there. people replace plugs on permanent cords, but not on detachable ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I'm not weighing in on whether or not a person should use those cords. I will say that lots of people put new ends on broken power cords. I see amps come into the shop all the time that way. For the user/non-tech it's a better solution than taking apart the amp. They don't want to get into the guts of the thing, so they just chop off the end of the cord and put a new plug on it.
    I have found that this is the best replacement plug.
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-...-000/100011602

    I have seen a few miswired or poorly wired plugs. I figure over time the replacement plugs will eventually fail. That's why I install new molded plugs/wire.

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    I have boxes of those exact plugs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axtman View Post
    I have found that this is the best replacement plug.
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-...-000/100011602
    That plug is great for shop tools, etc., but would not look very professional as a permanent replacement on a guitar amp.

    I figure over time the replacement plugs will eventually fail. That's why I install new molded plugs/wire.
    I agree about installing new cords with molded plugs. However I've had good luck with replacement plugs but I'm very OCD about things like that. I'll tin and curl the bare wires so that they don't squeeze out over time.

    BTW as for IEC cords with strange colors I have no problem using them on my own gear but I wouldn't use them on other people's equipment for the reason that Mr. Dude mentioned...

    QUICK POLL: Does anyone here have one of those expen$ive tools for removing and installing cord restraints? The last time I checked many years ago Mouser was selling them for around $40. I've always used vise grips which can leave marks on the plastic restraints.

    I see that you can order one from China for $4.97 with free shipping. To heck with trade imbalances — I love the cheap shit from China!

    https://www.ebay.com/i/130533763886

    Watch "Heyco Strain Relief/Restraints Mounting/Removal Made Easy" on YouTube:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz P Bass View Post
    Makes you wonder why they did not simply trash them.
    I think it's an artifact of the MBAs running the world. It used to be that a product that was dangerous was destroyed, and it's production cost was written off at a loss. Similarly, products that were seconds were marked as seconds and sold at a deep discount. That was then.

    This is now: nothing gets marked as a second any more. Anything that is a second is discreetly sold to a liquidator, who sells it at a discounted price, often without a factory warranty. Nothing ever gets said about it being a second. The seller just hopes that the person buying the "second" doesn't notice that it's a second, or hopes that they may notice the problem after they take delivery but not care about it because the price was so low. In these scenarios they typically offer a no-questions-asked return policy for those people who are upset about receiving something that's obviously not a first-quality specimen.

    It's happening everywhere. I recently bought brake parts from Raybestos for a very old classic American car. That car doesn't have a metric fitting anywhere on it, and all of the replacement parts for it are spec'd with SAE-spec fittings. Much to my surprise, the brake cylinders that were supposed to have SAE-spec bleeders according to the spec sheet had M10 bleeders on them. When I called the CS hotline to complain about a defect in materials/workmanship that made the part deviate from it's published specs, the guy on the other end of the phone said, "You bought those from RockAuto." Of course he knew that. When they received a shipment of off-spec parts from China they just blew them out to a discount reseller rather than rejecting them.

    Gibson is doing the same thing with Memphis hollowbodies right now. Go buy them from CME. Gibson is blowing out truckloads of brand-new seconds without calling them seconds. The brand new seconds are being sold as "floor model" instruments with no warranty. The reality is that none of them have ever seen the demo floor, they're just defective in one way or another.
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    Ah, the beauty of business regulating itself. Who do you propose step in Bob?
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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    Ah, the beauty of business regulating itself. Who do you propose step in Bob?
    Educated consumers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    Educated consumers.
    Snooort.
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    This is the tool I use. I am not sure where I got it.

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    That said, I found a place where you can buy one.

    http://www.proskit.com/crimpers/spec...relief-crimper
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    Yes, these work. They are not near what the actual hayco tool is, but if you're not in production, they do the job.
    I imagine in production the robots do it now anyway.
    I use the cheap one too, but the 'official' tool is much more heavy duty with a gear type action. And price to match.
    https://ca.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...XO%2Fr3w%3D%3D
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    One of the last places I worked had the Hayco tool. They work great. I just can't justify the cost vs how often I need one.
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    Vice grips or channel locks with a rubber strip (to prevent chewing) will do the trick too.
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    i use latex tubing on mine.
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    I also use latex tubing on mine.
    Better safe than sorry.
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    ..... oh, sorry ...... you were talking about *shop* tools?
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    I gave Bob a like for throwing a perfect strike and Juan one for knocking it out of the park.
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    I was waiting for someone to swing at that one.
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    Foo, I have my own custom brand, the Enz.

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    If you run out I'll give you some of mine.

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    I remember when those came out, and I thought, "Now how can a guy put anything else in his shopping cart?
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    when you're out to buy condoms, what else do you need in your shopping cart?
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    Whipped cream in a can & Cheez Wiz?

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    Another strike ... another homer!

    now that this thread has been totally hijacked, he's a heads-up to all of the forum regulars for a decent deal:

    Fender Straplocks, normally $10.36 which is quite a deal in and of iteself, are now on a 25% off special at GC. That's $7.77 per set. Use the code "SAVE25". Special ends on 11/22.

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    when you're out to buy condoms, what else do you need in your shopping cart?

    No no no, I meant how can you put a regular sized condom in your cart. It makes the wrong statement.
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    So latex tubing for tools is not a thing?
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    Oh, I get it Enzo. You were saying that when Magnums came out it became embarrassing for anyone to buy the "small" regular size. I was thinking more along the lines of if someone was making a special condom run then they wouldn't be interested in shopping for anything else. But Justin proved me wrong on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    So latex tubing for tools is not a thing?
    I do put latex tubing on thin nosed vise grips. It doesn't last very long, but it provides nice grip. If I need soemthing that's more durable I like to use automotive fuel line. I use that on pointy vise grips as a DIY line clamp when working on cars.
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