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    Oh, hell. Now you gave me a cheesecake craving. Thank God there's an all night grocery store with a deli on my way home. I'll be stopping for some 1AM cheesecake. Not as good as homemade, but it'll do.
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    Using cottage cheese for cheesecake gets my vote, too. I think the texture and taste are far better than cream cheese and when whizzed up in the blender is nice and smooth. I always use egg yolks and do a baked cheesecake, rather than the fridge-set gelatine types.
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    Oh yes, definitely baked.
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    Being 50% Italians, we do it the Italian way.
    To us cream cheese by itself (as a whole cake filling) is way too creamy/greasy, so we use ricotta cheese, which is both softer in taste and somewhat stiffer, it does have an actual texture which cream cheese does not.
    Not too far from some versions of cottage cheese.
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    Generic store brand cottage cheese can be soupy or milky. We have a "premium" brand - Michigan Brand - that is dry, as in they drained off all the loose milk. I use that for cheesecakes. Run it through the food processor or a blender. If we cook the cheesecake with the soupy stuff, the result will be a cake that weeps. Ricotta would work there well too, for sure.


    So which half of you is the Italian part?
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    The cottage cheese I buy is pretty dry, too. Some of the cheap stuff is all water - maybe they found a method of retaining the whey into the finished product so you're buying water. Like cheap bacon.

    Good ricotta is difficult to get round where I live. I used to live in the Italian district of Adelaide, South Australia (before moving to the Thai quarter). We used to get ricotta made fresh in little plastic baskets. They sold out by mid-morning, it was so popular. We used to eat that with Vietnamese bread - actually French origin. Happy days.

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    I am cheap, and ricotta costs more than cottage cheese. I have been known to make lasagna with cottage cheese. Sometimes I toss some cottage cheese into spaghetti to make it a little lasgana-like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    So which half of you is the Italian part?
    I am sort of a "white fly" since I have not one drop of Italian blood, not even a far removed great-grand-Nonna which is very unusual here, but (different types of) Kelts on all sides: Irish, Galician and Castillian Spanish, and French.
    But I married an Olivetti girl, so .... my offspring is already tainted

    That said we live in a heavily Italicized Culture and have incorporated it as fully our own.
    Even our Tango music is heavily Italian based.
    To boot I am currently living in Buenos Aires Italian quarter ... correct that to Genovese to be more accurate.

    This is considered our symbol, the pizza eating football playing Italian immigrant:





    not shown in the picture but easy to detect on the red nose and cheeks, is the straw covered Chianti bottle

    Maybe not shown because it´s already empty and thrown away
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    Looks like this thread took a turn for the better
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    My biggest gripe about the Political Correction of Christmas is that I never hear the religious Christmas carols I grew up with in public places... it is mostly just the secular songs that reek of crappy 1940's popular music.

    I am definitely not a Evangelical Fundamentalist Bible-thumper... when I was in the 7th grade I came up with new lyrics to most of the religious Christmas carols to reflect my obsession with Frankenstein, Dracula and the Wolfman (yes I was really into the Universal Studios monsters!)

    And it was the Christmas carols I grew up with that helped me learn how to read music on guitar in 1970 since I was very familiar with the melodies so I could get the pitches and timing right.

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    P.S. One of my biggest gripes about the whole PC movement is that I NEVER hear David Bowie's "China Girl" on the radio anymore.
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    I had to testify in State court a couple of days ago about the interaction between a dog and a mailman. I used the generic word "mailman" to describe a female letter carrier. In my testimony I called her a "mailman" but I consistently used the generic term "mailman" along with the pronoun "she". There was no ambiguity and there was no insensitivity intended.

    One of the lawyers had a hissy fit about that. He tried to discredit my testimony by throwing out the red herring that I had to be some sort of caveman bigot because I was using the politically incorrect term "mailman" instead of the PC term of "letter carrier." As a witness my job was to testify to the facts that I observed, not to structure my testimony by changing my statement to use words that somebody's lawyer liked the sound of. I certainly wasn't going to undermine the credibility of my own testimony by letting some lawyer tell me what to say.

    I kept using the term mailman because that's the term that was in use when I grew up and I had already committed myself to that term during my testimony. There was no insensitivity or sexual prejudice toward the mail lady in any of my testimony, if anything there was insensitivity to the political correctness that the lawyer was trying to shove down my throat on the witness stand. I wasn't about to submit to having some lawyer dictate my use of words, so I kept using them... at least in part because I was demonstrating that he couldn't re-shape my testimony and that pissed him off. He ended up getting more and more excited and angry and the judge ended up slamming down his gavel and censuring him.

    Enzo is right. Political Correctness is about compelling people to say things your way. And it goes beyond that. It's an Orwellian effort to sanitize language in an ultimate effort to sanitize ideation, and to thereby compel people to behave in ways that are "suitable".

    Fuck that noise.

    Merry Christmas.

    If by chance anyone prefers a different holiday, please feel free to substitute your holiday of choice in my well-wishes to you.
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    That's funny. Even more so if you were testifying on behalf of the postie. Was that the case?
    edit: If he was trying to discredit you, then I guess not.
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    P.S. One of my biggest gripes about the whole PC movement is that I NEVER hear David Bowie's "China Girl" on the radio anymore. [/QUOTE]

    But when I do I get excited....aww shut my mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    That's funny. Even more so if you were testifying on behalf of the postie. Was that the case?
    edit: If he was trying to discredit you, then I guess not.
    I was trying to make a joke. Compressing Steve's quote, I messed it up. Tried an edit but it didn't take.

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    The outcome of the case is still pending, so I should probably not go into details for now.

    ric, I got the joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    ... I used the generic word "mailman" to describe a female letter carrier. In my testimony I called her a "mailman" but I consistently used the generic term "mailman" along with the pronoun "she".

    One of the lawyers had a hissy fit about that. He tried to discredit my testimony by throwing out the red herring that I had to be some sort of caveman bigot because I was using the politically incorrect term "mailman" instead of the PC term of "letter carrier."
    One small step for man. One giant leap for letter carrier kind.
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    "oh I'm sorry your honour, I should have used the correct term, Postman, like the Costner movie"
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    I am sorry your honor, should I also start calling that attorney a sniveling worm?

    My wife's career was with offenders, criminals, courts, judges, lawyers, and so on. I am constantly asking her if I would get away with something or other if I were on the stand and said something snarky. I am pretty sure I would be a hostile witness. I don't like being manipulated.

    "Don't call ME a liar sir, after all, YOU are an attorney."

    My wife always comes back with something cryptic like "We can't afford the bail."
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    I apologize in advance for putting this in a Christmas thread, but I must point out the irony.

    You're not supposed to use "mailman" to describe a female "letter carrier", but grab her by the pussy and you can get elected to office.
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    They used to tell us when we were growing up, "Anyone can grow up to be president in the USA."

    Apparently they were right, they'll elect most anything.
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    Dude, that reminds me -- What the hell is going on with the sexual harassment thing? It's like November-December has been pick on any guy with a dick month.
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    Don't get me wrong. It's not that I don't believe the accusers or sympathize. But, I fear the pendulum is swinging a bit too far the other way. For years, nothing was done and much was swept under the rug. IMO, now overreacting in an effort to correct the wrongs of the past, if there's even a whiff of impropriety, your out- no due process, no hearings, no anything. In this current culture, it would be pretty easy for someone to just make up some shit to get somebody tossed out of office.
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    to continue the tangent, my conspiracy theory is that Franken, Keillor, and others on the "left" are providing models for those hesitant to surrender their superiority to follow.




    However, on topic, I went into a Wendy's hamburger joint (regional midwestern US, maybe?) and the loudspeaker was carrying a CCM version of a traditional Christmas Hymn. Darn, can't remember the name of the tune, but the lyric featured the words "Baby Jesus" prominently. Maybe this music because I'm currently traveling through Tennessee? Anyway, Have a hope-full and merry Christmas, y'all!
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    Continuing the OT:



    I thought Franken & Davis were pretty funny guys when they wrote for SNL. Though I have to admit that Franken wasn't my favorite politician ever to come out of Minnesota, I have to give him credit for being as tenacious as he was in interrogating the Facebook lawyers about the Russia Fake News thing. Not being for the guy or against him, I think he got railroaded when his fellow Democratic senators like Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin called for him to resign.

    Me? If I were Franken then I would have told them all to piss off. Franken was elected by the people of Minnesota, and it's the people of Minnesota and only the people of Minnesota who can take him out of his Senate seat by instituting a special election to recall him. Nancy Pelosi, Dick Durbin and all of the other Democratic Senators are trying to sacrifice Franken so that his slime won't rub off on them. They want him out just so his mud won't get on their clothes. They're more interested in protecting themselves and their agenda than in supporting Franken, who is untouchable now. They are the kind of people who eat their young.

    So far we've seen a lot of politicians who don't want Franken's dirt on their clean clothes. We've heard all sorts of news on what the other Senators think. Funny, the news doesn't seem to be paying much credit to the voices from Minnesota. IMO those are the only voices that really matter. Why can't the news media give any attention to their opinions?
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    Christmas music is everywhere. As long as they don't play that goddam Paul McCartney thing, I'll handle it.

    If I hear "simply having a wonderful Christmas time" again, with its bouncy little music, I think I will put a couple shells into the speaker from my shotgun.
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    Uh-oh ... Enzo goes Postal. Or should I say Postelle to be politically correct?

    My least favorite Christmas song has to be the one from the other half of the Lennon-McCartney pair. Sure, I roll my eyes when I hear the bouncy "Wonderful Christmas Time" ditty, but I really can't stand to hear that pessimistic condescending tone of Lennon's "So This is Christmas (Happy Christmas/War is Over)".
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    I must confess. I'm not a fan of Christmas music at all, even though I do like Christmas. But, what I hate the most is when they parody Christmas songs on TV commercials and change the words to fit whatever crap they're selling. It drives me absolutely nuts. I can't get to the mute button fast enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    ... what I hate the most is when they parody Christmas songs on TV commercials and change the words to fit whatever crap they're selling. It drives me absolutely nuts. I can't get to the mute button fast enough.
    Oh, I hate that. I always think of that "Give a Garmin" commercial. They must have at least a dozen variants on the same song.

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    I don't care for Xmas music nor Xmas movies. I will listen to a NEW Xmas tune, but why do I have to listen to the same old tired holiday music for a month EVERY FREAKING YEAR? I will be happy to never hear Jingle Bell Rock again.

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    Oh, Come on Enzo -- we know that you love THE KING!

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    Dude is going to hate me for this, but Blue Christmas is one of the songs I parody the most. Driving around the wife has to listen to all my crap. If ever ther was a non-PC experience, it is me driving. Inspiration comes from anything, a road sign, a billboard, some store name...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Christmas music is everywhere. As long as they don't play that goddam Paul McCartney thing, I'll handle it.

    If I hear "simply having a wonderful Christmas time" again, with its bouncy little music, I think I will put a couple shells into the speaker from my shotgun.
    I have a running bet with a musician friend this year. I claim that Macca's Christmas song is beyond redemption. The music is bad AND the lyrics are stupid, so there's just nothing there to work with. He claims that he can perform a non-terrible cover of it... the rules are that he's allowed to re-arrange it, but it must be recognizably the same song, incorporating significant musical and lyrical elements of the original. I say it can't be done. We'll see, he's got 11 days until the deadline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Dude is going to hate me for this, but Blue Christmas is one of the songs I parody the most. Driving around the wife has to listen to all my crap. If ever ther was a non-PC experience, it is me driving. Inspiration comes from anything, a road sign, a billboard, some store name...
    And your passengers are all like this:

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    Nah, wife and I are of the pre-electronic distractions generation.

    the rules are that he's allowed to re-arrange it, but it must be recognizably the same song, incorporating significant musical and lyrical elements of the original.
    It has to include that point in the song where the delay repeats are going at a different rate than the song bounce and it turns into a confused mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    I kept using the term mailman because that's the term that was in use when I grew up and I had already committed myself to that term during my testimony.
    There are a lot of terms that I heard growing up that I refrain from using today outcome of respect for someone present who might be offended by them. But I guess you would call that being politically correct.

    Rather than being stubbornly passive-aggressive in a situation like that I think I would have tried to be more assertive... "Are you suggesting, sir, that I am a sexist Neanderthal? That is certainly not true but for your benefit (i.e., just to shut you up) I will refer to the client as a 'letter carrier'."

    In the case you mentioned you were just a neutral witness but if you were testifying for a friend your repeated use of the word "mailman" provoking outbursts from the opposing lawyer could have been detrimental for him or her. Or not... I think it would depend on the impression you gave to the judge and/or jury.

    BTW when I was a freshman at UC Berkeley in 1969 there were about 8 of us always eating at the same table in the dormitory cafeteria and I remember predating Archie Bunker by over a year making intentionally stupid politically incorrect statements but they were never racist or bigoted, just really stupid and politically incorrect, especially for Berkeley...

    Steve A.

    P.S. In the court case you mentioned my guess is that it involved a mail lady who responded to a dog thinking that it was going to attack her and that the dog's owner thought that she overreacted — and with you being a libertarian your testimony was definitely not favorable for an employee of the, ugh, damned government. I bet you a nickel that I am right...
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