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    Unexpected Hospital quality in China

    I always watch SerpentZAīs video blogs on China, was impressed by the Hospital quality he shows here, plus prompt attention and incredible cheapness.

    FWIW itīs what I would have expected out of a Japanese Hospital, go figure.



    As a side note, watch the last seconds showing aerial news of Shenzen, the city he lives in: sort of New York on steroids.

    Thatīs what happens when you ship all your Industry to another Country and then buy the finished goods instead.

    PD: of course this is a (Communist) State Hospital
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    REALLY depressing to see all those people on antibiotic drips, basically for nothing. The message just isn't getting through that this is the end of the modern era for antibiotics and it's widely predicted that resistance will lead us back to the 19th century and high mortality from common infections. The golden age is perhaps now over - Fleming identified antibiotic resistance quite early on after discovering penicillin.
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    I don't know how accurate this data is https://www.grain.org/es/bulletin_bo...o-to-livestock but the routine dosing of farm animals with antibiotics seems to be widespread and commonplace globally.

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    I never really understood what the idea of antibiotics was for growth promotion in livestock, but after some reading now get a better picture. Basically, in the 1940s it was discovered that antibiotics given even to healthy animals would make them gain weight, amongst other things. There are different modes of operation; an animal can gain weight without additional food, or gain weight with reduced food intake, or maintain weight with decreased food intake. Antibiotics were originally used for poultry because the breeds had almost reached their genetic limits on weight and this could be artificially increased with antibiotics.

    All pretty grim for us humans in the long-term.
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    Grim indeed.
    No significant antibiotics have been discovered in tha last decade, a couple are made only in IV injectable form instead of pills or syrups to avoid self medication (you have to be pretty hardcore to inject yourself from an IV bag) so as to diminish germ adaptation ... and now we see Chinese are happily applying them to anybody, for no good reason ... Human future is grim indeed as serpentza mentioned.
    Not by chance Flu pandemics (porcine, avian, etc.) start in Asia and quickly spread all over the World.

    By a happy Geographical reason, we in the tip of South America (Argentina, Chile and Uruguay) are the last to get them, so we get the proper vaccines early.

    Zombie Apocalypse is nonsense , but Antibiotics resistance and Virus mutations (making them resist latest vaccination) are very real so a sweep-everybody Pandemic is so possible as to call it certain.
    Not if but when.

    No need for conspiracies either, greed and carelessness are potent motives, feeding antibiotics to livestock is criminal, period.
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    I just looked it up and Shenzhen is pretty big with a metropolitan population of 22 million. (Before 1979 it was 30,000 so what you see in the video is fairly new.)
    It is on the mainland across the river from Hong Kong.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen

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    P.S. IV's at home have changed. In 2013 I had a pic line inserted in my right arm with luer lock fittings to hook me up to small self-dispensing bottles of vancomycin which I could put in my shirt pocket and go about my business. I had been taking a rotating selection of oral antibiotics for 16 months trying to get rid of a bad MRSA infection in my lungs which I got when I was in a medically induced coma for 8 days in 2011. The vancomycin drip cleared it right up...
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    I suspect that unless some suitable form of global good governance can be agreed and implemented in the next few years (fat chance), the forces of self interest, short term profit and the free market will inevitably drive the planet to an Ester Island type, human induced, mass extinction scenario.
    It's dreadfully unfortunate but as a species we just can't help ourselves, it seems that we're blindly accelerating towards disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf64 View Post
    It's dreadfully unfortunate but as a species we just can't help ourselves, it seems that we're blindly accelerating towards disaster.
    That's exactly the conclusion that I've come to, as well.

    As a species, we've been incredibly creative at staving off one worldwide disaster after another, going back at least to the late 1700's, when the exploding human population first lead to the threat of world-wide starvation, and subsequently to huge desperate wars over the need for enormous quantities of bird-poop for fertilizer (Chincha Islands War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chincha_Islands_War, War of the Pacific https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Pacific).

    Each time we solved a huge global shortage problem, we built our house of cards a little higher. We solved the Guano Wars with the Haber–Bosch process. We solved the shortage of sperm whales by beginning to use petroleum in our oil lamps. We solved the shortage of wood during the Industrial Revolution in England by burning coal instead.

    Now we've fished our oceans empty, used up most of the surface fresh water on the planet, decimated our forests, filled our air with poisons, overheated the planet, and are dealing with simultaneous huge threats like antibiotic resistant germs, out-of-control heat waves, enormously powerful hurricanes, and a resurgence in fundamentalist religion and accompanying warfare.

    The house of cards we've built is now so tall that it has to fall. The only questions are when, and how fast.

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    All we need now is some crazy guy controlling the World's largest Army and Worldīs largest Nuke stockpile.

    Of course, that can happen only in an Apocalyptic Science Fiction novel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    All we need now is some crazy guy controlling the World's largest Army and Worldīs largest Nuke stockpile.

    Of course, that can happen only in an Apocalyptic Science Fiction novel.
    At the end of George Orwell's "Animal Farm", he wrote "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

    Lately I find myself looking from Kim Jong-un to Trump, and from Trump to Kim Jong-un, and from Kim Jong-un to Trump again; but already it is impossible to say which madman is which.

    -Gnobuddy
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    My only hope, and there is some certain probability this is so, is that both are consummate liars, each bluffing and posing to local populace as Godīs gift to Humanity and telling them what they think they want to hear to feel safe and protected by the respective "great leader".
    The fact that both populations are terrified rather than reassured by such fiery talk does not even cross their minds.

    I concede to Koreans one fact which is chilling, real, and in all History books: USA through their Army commander , Douglas Mc. Arthur, DID say in the 50īs that "he would solve the Korean problem with 40 to 50 Nukes dropped on them" .

    Not a hollow threat, USA did have them, but, most important, HAD "solved the Japanese problem" only 5 years before, still real fresh news, and only a few hundred miles away from Korea itself.

    If that didnīt put a Country on a crash course to get their own, plus means of delivery, then I donīt know what else would.

    Of course, holding massive USA/South Korea military drills, including live firing, flying most advanced supersonic bombers just along the border and celebrating SKīs creation of a "decapitation unit" is best quality gasoline to quench the fire.

    Oh well.

    Absolute worst case, reasonably reachable Peruvian high Andes mountains have been declared the safest place in the World in case of a *massive* Nuclear War involving everybody, on account of distance, being in the right Hemisphere, and real high altitude ... and I already speak the language

    Doubt they have many Guitar amps in need of maintenance, but basic PA systems are present and used everywhere and worst case can repair pressing irons, fans and washing machines, I wonīt starve
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    Over Christmas the TV has been total crap, as usual. I've had more interest, entertainment and enlightenment watching SerpentZA's clips than anything else I've watched in a good while. Really informative, really entertaining. Plus I've learned a lot more. In fact, he's now become compulsive viewing. Not only from the 'do they really eat dogs?' morbid fascination, but just the everyday stuff like learning it's polite to tap your fingers when someone pours you a drink, or just getting around the city and using the Metro, or what to watch for when eating out in rural areas. If It wasn't for Juan's post I may never have seen his videos.
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    Yes, I've been watching them too, thanks Juan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf64 View Post
    I suspect that unless some suitable form of global good governance can be agreed and implemented in the next few years (fat chance), the forces of self interest, short term profit and the free market will inevitably drive the planet to an Ester Island type, human induced, mass extinction scenario.
    It's dreadfully unfortunate but as a species we just can't help ourselves, it seems that we're blindly accelerating towards disaster.
    Easter Island in the making, 7 continent sized ones:

    lotkavolterra13f03.jpg

    The spiral I think is not really a spiral but an incredibly complex thing with a lot of wiggles. Unfortunately, one possibility is that the trajectory hits the origin or close thereabouts. A long time ago, I was studying Lotka-Volterra and modeling, and the idea hit me that the biggest predator-prey model isn't humans against some particular animal, its humans on one axis and all of nature on the other. All animals, farmland, natural resources, water, air, plants, etc. The successively unpleasant thoughts passed by decades later, when i read that we have 50 or less years before there is nothing edible left in the oceans. For food, that leaves farmland, which is being decimated by housing construction, erosion, and outright destruction by horrible farming practices. Then we talk about the practices of soaking every animal grown for food in antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, growth hormones, steroids, etc. , and cramming them into C.A.F.O.s, designed to incubate antibiotic resistant bacteria. At least we humans have plenty of good potable water. We'll have to live on that.
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    Donīt worry, we can always bypass intermediaries and live straight off the source of it all: sunlight !!!

    Do we?

    Swiss woman starves to death on 'sunlight' diet - NY Daily News
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    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    Donīt worry, we can always bypass intermediaries and live straight off the source of it all: sunlight !!!

    Do we?

    Swiss woman starves to death on 'sunlight' diet - NY Daily News
    Good Lord:
    "The Zurich newspaper reported Wednesday that the unnamed Swiss woman in her fifties decided to follow the radical fast in 2010 after viewing an Austrian documentary about an Indian guru who claims to have lived this way for 70 years."

    That's all I can say about that.

    I imagine her grocery bill was positively affected.

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    [black humour]
    They also fit her in the smallest coffin available, thus saving extra money.
    And relatives found it easy to carry [/ black humour]

    Back to this poor woman, she must have watched this:


    Besides what is claimed, a few questions arise.
    In no particular order:

    * if he can live 1000/2000/10000 years (he claims so) ... why does he look already so old and frail at mere 80 something y.o. ?
    He should look like: , current physical aspect should match 800 y.o. or more.

    * "he pees a little now and then" .... where does he get the liquid from?

    * is his body stone cold? .... or reptile/fish cold? even with no physical activity at all, Humans burn at least 1200 calories a day just to keep body warm.
    Basic body fuel is Glucose; and when not available: Fat and after some time, Protein, including body muscle.

    * even if Sunlight kept him warm (he should cool off to room temperature at night or even in the shadow though) but, temperature aside, : do his hair/nails/beard grow?
    Whereīs the "solid stuff" coming from, specially Nitrogen for Protein?

    * where does blood for the tests come from?
    Or Doctors reinject it after testing?

    and so on and on and on.

    Oh well.

    PS: Iīm not fully skeptic ... I truly believe (maybe Iīm incurably romantic) the Mars Rover fully lives out of Sunlight and in the last years has not taken fuel, water, or even lubricants for its engine
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepukmel View Post
    "The Zurich newspaper reported Wednesday that the unnamed Swiss woman in her fifties decided to follow the radical fast in 2010 after viewing an Austrian documentary about an Indian guru who claims to have lived this way for 70 years."
    Indian guru, phooey! Anybody who has listened to the 2000 Year Old Man knows the real secret of such longevity:

    Reporter: "You claim you live on pure spring mountain water, and that's all, right?"

    2000 YOM: "That's right, nothing but pure spring mountain water."

    Reporter: "And you're absolutely certain that's all?"

    2000 YOM: "Well, uhm, errr.... yeah that's right . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . but I can't pass up a nice stuffed cabbage!"

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Had a FOAF (friend of a friend) back in the late 70's, he claimed he was "living on air." Well he never did shrink to a skeleton. I think he was sneaking a PBJ in the wee hours of the morning when nobody was looking. The only way to survive such a purported diet is to cheat. A nice stuffed cabbage, that'll do nicely!

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    I'd heard somewhere in the past about the "Breatharian" (Breath air ian?) diet where a person can get all the nutrition they need from what's absorbed in the pulmonary lining. Breathe fast, people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschertron View Post
    I'd heard somewhere in the past about the "Breatharian" (Breath air ian?) diet where a person can get all the nutrition they need from what's absorbed in the pulmonary lining. Breathe fast, people!
    You do know this is not possible? Those who claimed that ability were found to be frauds or died. What's the harm in Breatharianism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschertron View Post
    I'd heard somewhere in the past about the "Breatharian" (Breath air ian?) diet where a person can get all the nutrition they need from what's absorbed in the pulmonary lining. Breathe fast, people!
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    You do know this is not possible? Those who claimed that ability were found to be frauds or died. What's the harm in Breatharianism?
    Okay, in case I was too subtle with my irony; once more with feeling. Breathe fast, people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickb View Post
    I honestly have a hard time believing that our lizard brain wouldn't kick in after a day or two and force us to eat something.

    ... like a cricket. Or a nice stuffed cabbage.
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    Finally I figure out what you guys are on about, Gołąbki! (holopchi).
    All my life I had just figured there was some other stuffed cabbage, that wasn't what we call cabbage rolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    Finally I figure out what you guys are on about, Gołąbki! (holopchi).
    All my life I had just figured there was some other stuffed cabbage, that wasn't what we call cabbage rolls.
    Considering the 2000 Year Old Man was played by Mel Brooks, his menu choices would be mostly refer to Jewish - Polish / Eastern European specialties. Great comedy record, everyone should listen!

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