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    Another forum problem that needs to be fixed... it seems like the BBS software has merged two completely different threads, one about double posts and one about robotic cars and trucks!

    One tip: before submitting a post here select the entire message and copy it to your device's clipboard. That way you don't have to worry about losing posts that you have composed on-line here.

    As far as I know tboy is still hosting the forum on his own computer so there will be times when the forum is down or a bit sluggish.

    As for the other problems brought up in this thread I think a lot of it has to do with latency issues between the client (us) and the server (the BBS.) In other words what we think are clicking on isn't necessarily what the software thinks we are clicking on. So that users with slower connections might have more problems. Or not - that is just my own guess.

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    EDIT After submitting this post the hourglass in my browser kept spinning around for quite awhile before I decided to click it again when I got a prompt response informing me that I was making a double post and that it was taking me to the original post.

    As far as I know all of the members here have a certain window in which they can edit or delete a post so that if you notice that the software allowed you to make a double post you should be able to delete it. Note: there is a radio button that you must click on in the dialog box to be able to delete your post.



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    But that delete function still leaves behind an empty post header.

    The current trouble is a change, it is not something the BB software has done all along. I have no idea WHAT changed, but some sort of glitch got into the system. WHy it affects only some of us I know not. Maybe it matters what sort of platform you log in from - smart phone versus desk top, for example.

    Steve, I find it less than satisfying to jump through hoops for a forum software. I shouldn;t have to open a text editor, type up my message, then cut and paste it into the forum. I shouldn;t have to use some work-around clicking stuff to simply put up a post. I appreciate tboy hosting us all, I get great satisfaction communicating with others here. I am not criticizing him in the slightest. But having said that, the problem exists on his end, so he is the only one who can fix it.
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    I'm not for this ongoing griping, no matter how much of an inconvenience the problem may be perceived to be. The reality is that it's an insignificant problem -- We've established that there are good methods to avoid the problem altogether. I think that these can get us by if we're patient and don't expect someone to come jumping into action when we snap our fingers. tboy has a life, and these are the holidays. let's plan on not having a solution before the new year and not griping any more about it.

    I think some of the methods suggested so far are unnecessarily complicated. If you're reading from the list of new posts and you don't want to lose the queue, then do this:

    enter a thread and respond with a post and you click to post it, then to this: when you've clicked on submit and you see the hourglass, just click immediately click on new posts. you'll go right back to that list and you never lose the queue. and voila! the post that you just submitted is already there. two clicks, no backing out, no jumping through hoops, no ridiculous cutting and pasting nonsense, no time wasted.

    what could be simpler? i don't even feel the need for tboy to fix anything. all you need to do is adapt.
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    Oh please. No one is nagging tboy, we are only mentioning that he is the one with the key to restoring proper operation to the forum. That he do it on his own time frame is fine with me, but it doesn't alter the facts. I for one am not expecting nor am I asking for ANYONE to leap into action. All I have asked is that we remember this issue has arisen in the past, and tboy is the one who solves it. Would it make you feel better if I change my wording to "I hope someone will fix the forum software so people stop complaining that my posts are doubling." Not naming names then? By pointing out the specific person who CAN make this correction, we allay the fears of some forum members who think the problem is in their own computer or device, when it is not. That isn't griping, that is simply discussing what exists.

    I stick with my position that doing this extra crap because the forum software has a fault is like the guy who has to tape his cord to the side of the amp so the input jack works. Must be OK, he adapted, no need to fix the jack.

    Clicking NEW POSTS brings me back to the top of the list. When I come back from errands and I have 35 new messages, there are often multiple posts from the same person and in the same thread - like this one. I then have to scroll down looking for the last place I was before I entered a thread. BY backing out of a thread, two clicks and I am right back where I was in my list. Also, posts put up since I logged onto the site do not show, in other words the list does not grow as I service it. Not until I get to the top and THEN hit new posts and the new ones - including my just made responses - now add to the top. Works for me. I am not losing sleep over double posting, just pointing out it isn't how the forum software should work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    We've established that there are good methods to avoid the problem altogether.
    No we have not. We have established that it seems to be affecting different users in different ways. What works for some does not work for others. Your solution works for your set of circumstances (browser, OS, etc.). Insisting others "adapt" to what works for you under the assumption it will also work for them is just wishful thinking.
    No one is griping, we are discussing the issue, and hopefully suggesting possible solutions that may work for some and not for others.
    I'm sure tboy is on the case (I've seen him lurking) and it will be sorted out soon. I don't think it will bother him if we are talking about the various manifestations of the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    No we have not.
    There's no shortage of people who still think php is a client side problem. It isn't.
    I see that Enzo isn't double posting any more.
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    It seemed to bug people, so I am jumping through the hoops to stop it. I shouldn;t have to, but I am. Just for you.


    I click post, it spins for a while then asks me if I want to leave. SO I click stay, then back out, it again asks me if I want to leave, and at that time I do select leave, then I back out to the new list in the same position I left it. it isn't difficult, it is just adding excess clicking.


    Imagine if your car all of a sudden decided you had to move in reverse two inches before it would let you engage a forward gear. Not difficult, we can adapt, but I wouldn;t consider it OK. Or perhaps if you want to switch channels on your amp, you had to stomp the switch three times. Not hard, we can adapt.
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    Or when you find that only ONE victim a year is no longer keeping you stable and you have to bump it to two. Sure, digging a hole that deep is hard, but you adapt.
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    LMAO. Getting ready for the New Year, Chuckie?

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    Enz, I thought I had mentioned this already, maybe you didn't see it. Try doing this, it should get you down to 2 clicks with no backing out or hoop jumping:

    1. click submit. don't wait for the next menu to load.
    2. immediately click on any of the other standard links on the page that are in the background. don't wait for a pop-up window.

    In my case (Firefox or Chrome both behave the same way) I just click on submit and then I immediately click on New Posts in the upper left corner without waiting for the forum to respond to anything. Two clicks, no waiting, no pop-ups, no backing out of anything, no pissing and moaning.
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    bob, have I not made it stop to your satisfaction? I do not need instruction here. I am trying to discuss the problem with the software, not figure out some way to get around it. My entire point as I have explained no several times it that the software should not be doing this. The problem is not that I cannot get around it. My preference is for the system to work as designed without me having to apply a band aid.

    I am not pissing and moaning, I am pointing out the current operational deficit.

    And as I also explained, clicking on NEW POSTS gets me to the top of the latest update of the list. I do not want that, I want it back to the place I left the list as it sat when I logged on. And I can ably and consistently do that with the few clicks I make. Your way may save me a click, but it gets me somewhere I do not want to be. Extra clicks are not a hardship, they do not wear me out, they are simply a symptom of a software defect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Imagine if your car all of a sudden decided you had to move in reverse two inches before it would let you engage a forward gear. Not difficult, we can adapt <snip>
    Sometimes I wonder how big a chunk of our lives we now spend tricking misbehaving software into doing what we want. I think most of us will easily come up with many examples.

    One recent one for me: my place of work has new paper-towel dispensers next to all the sinks. You wave your hands under them, and they dispense about four inches of paper towel. Possibly enough to dry two of your fingers, but nowhere near enough to dry an adult-size pair of hands. So you wave your hands a second time, and the dispenser smugly refuses to dispense any more paper.

    Maybe there's a time out? So I try waiting a few seconds, then waving my (still wet) hands again. Nope, the dispenser still won't dispense any more paper.

    Okay, I'll tear off the marginally useless four inches, and maybe dry off the wettest parts of my hands. Which I do. And discover that as soon as you tear off one four-inch-wide section of paper, if you wave your hands again, the dispenser is willing to dispense another four inches.

    Hmm. Vibration sensor? Paper tension sensor? I try waving my hands, get four inches, then (without tearing it off) give the paper a little tug with my wet fingers. Voila, a hand-wave immediately after that dispenses another 4 inches of paper. And it's repeatable.

    So now I have to use four hand-waves and four little tugs on the paper to dispense the approximately 12 inches of paper actually needed to more or less dry my hands. One more stupid microcontroller / piece of firmware outsmarted. And a few more minutes of my life wasted on overcoming technological stupidity every work day. Maybe two minutes a day, ten minutes a week, forty minutes a month, eight hours a year, 24 hours every three years. An entire day wasted every three years, because someone came up with a "green" paper towel dispenser that doesn't dispense enough paper towel to actually be useful, and isn't green because everyone ends up finding some way to trick the thing into dispensing a reasonable amount of paper.

    And the forum software problems? Sorry, I have nothing useful to contribute to that discussion.

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    No hijack intended: makes me think of the modern hand driers. Those vortex/tornado/blast of air things. They really do blow the water off your hands pretty well. better than the old warm breeze ones of the last 50 years. But ever try to dry your face with one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnobuddy View Post
    ...An entire day wasted every three years, because someone came up with a "green" paper towel dispenser that doesn't dispense enough paper towel to actually be useful, and isn't green because everyone ends up finding some way to trick the thing into dispensing a reasonable amount of paper...
    And that's the kind of situation that makes people so upset that they rip the whole thing right off the wall. Makes it even less "green."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    No hijack intended: makes me think of the modern hand driers. Those vortex/tornado/blast of air things. They really do blow the water off your hands pretty well. better than the old warm breeze ones of the last 50 years. But ever try to dry your face with one?
    A thread hijack at MEF? Certainly not a capital offense here where free association is respected as much as freedom of speech. Like bullshitting with your friends and the conversation veers from one topic to another...

    Which reminds me of a computer program I used to use called "Hijack" - I forgot what it actually did so I googled it and ran across a really cool internet speed test at the SourceForge site which uses HTML 5 instead of Flash or Java. Here's a screenshot of the test results...



    https://sourceforge.net/speedtest/?source=sfnet_header

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    P.S. As to your question you could dry your face with toilet paper... assuming that you could get more than one sheet at a time out of those modern roll holders!

    P.P.S. I believe that what I call "free association" is what psychiatrists refer to as "schizophrenia"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    Or when you find that only ONE victim a year is no longer keeping you stable and you have to bump it to two. Sure, digging a hole that deep is hard, but you adapt.
    Well, one a year is definitely not enough for me.

    Quite often I have to go to some wooded area, strangle my victim, for good measure put my sharp 14 inch knife in play and make a big fire.
    After Im done (the full deed might take from 1 to 2 hours) I either bury remains in a shallow pit or use a large bag to carry them away, often some out of the way dumpster.

    I end up smooth, relaxed and satisfied ... only problem is relief is always momentary, and sooner than later I feel the urge again.

    Oh well, flesh is weak.
















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    Ok... You got me. I only pose as a psycho for comedic purposes My favored wilderness kills would probably be a brace of high mountain stream trout in a pan. It's been far too long since and the hedged reference has me thinking about changing that
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