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Thread: POLL Who's Got the Best Blues Tone in This Video?

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    POLL Who's Got the Best Blues Tone in This Video?

    Please watch the following video and cast your vote for who's got the best tone. Don't vote for who's got the best chops, vote for the best tone.

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    "I happen to have an original 1955 Stratocaster! The neck and body have been replaced with top quality Warmoth parts, I upgraded the hardware and put in custom, hand wound pickups. It's fabulous. There's nothing like that vintage tone or owning an original." - Chuck H

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    Here are my thoughts:

    Jimmy: I'm not a fan of a Strat's bridge pickup. In combination with those Tweed Bassmen Jimmy's tone is on the spanky clean side. Too thin with too much treble for my ears. I wonder if Jimmy has a lot of HF hearing loss.

    John: I'm not a Mayer fan or a Two Rock fan, but I really like the tone of a Strat neck pup, so John definitely gets points for taking his solo on the neck, and making it sound so sweet. His guitar and amp combo had a great singing voice, so I voted John.

    Gary: Again, a guy who solos on the bridge pickup. Interestingly his bridge pup doesn't seem quite as clangy as Jimmy's. Maybe he's got a custom Strat that runs the bridge pup through the tone pot, or maybe his Vibro King just smooths out the top end in a way that Jimmy's Tweed Bassman doesn't. If I could have voted twice, I would have voted for Gary.

    Doyle: Kind of disappointed with his SF Fender tone. To me it sounded like a generic SF Fender that never got driven into the sweet spot. I guess it reminds me too much of hearing myself play.

    Just my two cents.
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    I voted John, but it's a pretty close run between John and Gary. Gary does switch between bridge and neck/middle parallel some and I liked his balance of clipping @ frequency about the best. Like you I'm not a fan of the bridge pickup, I go for the neck every time when I want a more aggressive solo and stay with the parallel positions for more subdued tones. In fact my Warmoth strat doesn't have a SC in the bridge. I have a Seymour Duncan mini JB there for the rock stuff. Anyway...

    Also not a John Mayer or Two Rock fan, per se, and this is the best tone I've heard from him actually.

    It's an unfair judgement because the crappy, squarky bridge pickup tone is sort of traditional for a lot of guys. It's "that" sound. Whether it's a good sound or not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    Also not a John Mayer or Two Rock fan, per se, and this is the best tone I've heard from him actually.
    Ditto. I went into this thinking I would be voting for Gary, but I was surprised by how good John Mayer sounded.

    It's an unfair judgement because the crappy, squarky bridge pickup tone is sort of traditional for a lot of guys. It's "that" sound. Whether it's a good sound or not.
    I have always thought that the only Strat pup configuration that made sense was the traditional SSS. But lately I've been disliking the bridge pup so much that I've realized that I've got to do something about it. For me that's probably going to mean moving the wire on the bridge pup so that it goes through the tone control (and perhaps moving the middle pup to the neck pup's tone control). Or heaven forbid -- rewiring my Strat with the G&L PTB circuit that has a master treble and bass. I've even given thought to not even having a Strat bridge pup on a future build, because I just don't use it. But if I'm going to go to that extreme, I guess I have to give in and admit that the HSS type Strats now start making sense -- if I'm not going to use the single coil in the bridge position, then why not put a humbucker in there? At least I'm more likely to use it.

    I think John and Gary were light years ahead of Jimmy and Doyle. Thanks for voting.
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    In order: Gary, Doyle, Jimmy, John.

    Gary to me had the best mix of sting/smooth. It's a sound I don't hear every day, and it bites - in a good way, but it's still thick ENOUGH to not get lost... Doyle is a second, for similar reasons. He sounds a little more "out of control," which I definitely like - a "Fritz" factor. Jimmy I WOULD have liked more, but the reverb was too much. Whether that was his amps/pedals, or the house doing it, it was overdone. John to me was too slick and polished - too controlled, almost stifled.

    Of course, my all-time favorite is probably Clapton on "From The Cradle," "Groaning The Blues."
    And Doyle sounded amazeballs when I saw him with Roger Waters all those years ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    ...if I'm not going to use the single coil in the bridge position, then why not put a humbucker in there? At least I'm more likely to use it.
    I put the mini HB in my guitar because I was gigging with it and I needed the tonal versatility. And I can solidly back up the "more likely to use it" sentiment. You'll miss the SC middle/bridge option, but you'll get over it I'm not really into that "chicken pickin" tone either.

    Another option that I've made work is to add series pickup options to the standard strat wiring. Combine that with a phase switch for the middle pickup and you won't need a bridge humbucker. But you will need to memorize all you doodad switching positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    ...lately I've been disliking the bridge pup so much that I've realized that I've got to do something about it. For me that's probably going to mean moving the wire on the bridge pup so that it goes through the tone control (and perhaps moving the middle pup to the neck pup's tone control).
    Same here, I can't stand the bridge PU without a tone control. I wired mine as below with an Ultra-Switch so the bottom tone control only works on the bridge PU and the top tone control only works on the other four positions i.e. there's no tone control overlap. The bridge PU is slightly over-wound and I run its tone control on 5 and the other tone on 8-10.

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    Out of the very limited choices in the poll I'd go with John Mayer who first showed us his blues chops on his "No Such Thing" single in 2002 with bonus tracks of live versions of "Lenny" and "The Wind Cries Mary" recorded live at the X Lounge.

    Watch "John Mayer - Lenny" on YouTube



    https://youtu.be/WL_KYBKlqz8

    I could not find a video link to the Jimi Hendrix cover but here's a link on Spotify...

    https://open.spotify.com/track/30ysy9K5yHp7LvePMNFWtO

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    Poll list is lame, and very incomplete.
    My list, to name a few!

    SRV
    Jimi Hendrix
    Eric Clapton
    Duane Allman
    Buddy Guy
    Kenny Wayne Shepherd
    Johnny Winter
    Joe Bonamassa
    John Mayer
    Mike Bloomfield


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave H View Post
    Same here, I can't stand the bridge PU without a tone control. I wired mine as below with an Ultra-Switch so the bottom tone control only works on the bridge PU and the top tone control only works on the other four positions i.e. there's no tone control overlap. The bridge PU is slightly over-wound and I run its tone control on 5 and the other tone on 8-10.

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    Great minds etc, I've done the same thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Poll list is lame, and very incomplete.
    Who pissed in your Lucky Charms?

    My apologies to everyone for the list being so lame. And so incomplete.

    It wasn't intended to be the ultimate survey of who's got the best blues tone, it's just an informal poll comparing 4 guys who happened to be on the same stage at the same time, with all of them sounding pretty good. All too often when you get a large number of guitars on the same stage (think Crossroads) the result is a lot of noise where everyone is stepping on each other and nobody's got very good tone. I was watching Gary videos last night and I thought this was a decent video because everyone on stage offered a pretty good example of their signature tone, and getting everyone to have good tone at the same time can be a tough goal to reach.

    Would you be willing to start a similar thread, with another group of players, so we could compare other peoples' tone and vote on it? I think that creating interesting content like that, where everyone can voice their opinions, could be a lot of interactive fun. People here have lots of experience with tone, and although we talk a lot, we don't often have chances to listen. I think that we could have some interesting threads in doing that. It'd certainly be a lot more fun than hearing someone complain that that other peoples' efforts aren't up to their standards.

    I think it'd be interesting if we had more tone threads like this one. Who'll volunteer to do the next one?
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    Well I went with Bramhall, 'cause to my ears he's the guy who sounds least generic. I don't get the Mayer thing. He just sounds too much like a refined Jimi/Stevie Ray. Sure, he has his middle-of-the-road, boring "sweet" neck pickup tone, lacking excitement and remaining radio-friendly. Yawn.

    Having said that, I love using the neck pickup.

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    I must give props to Jimmie tho...I do enjoy those Alnico tens.
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    I was also thinking 'what about ...' then I figured you were just talking about that particular video. It's too bad you can't shuffle the order so the video & first post shows up above the poll.
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    Being that this was the first poll I've ever done, I was surprised that I wasn't even offered the ability to add the voting options until after I had committed to post the thread. Weird. I thought I'd have the opportunity to edit the list before creating the post, but it doesn't work that way. And like you said, the forum makes the votes appear before the video, which can make things confusing.

    Another thing that surprised me was that Gary was playing a Strat, which isn't his usual instrument. But this was a SRV tribute show, so everyone played Strats, and it's not surprising that Mayer tried to do the mimic thing. Yes it's been done before, but the show was a SRV tribute, so I'm reluctant to cry foul if anyone plays like a SRV wannabe. It was a tribute, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave H View Post
    Same here, I can't stand the bridge PU without a tone control. I wired mine as below with an Ultra-Switch so the bottom tone control only works on the bridge PU and the top tone control only works on the other four positions i.e. there's no tone control overlap. The bridge PU is slightly over-wound and I run its tone control on 5 and the other tone on 8-10.

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    Stew Mac sells an Emerson(?) blend pot which is wired as a variable resistor between the hot neck and bridge pu leads on the standard strat 5 way switch. With the control set to 10 there is no blend, settings between 0 and 9 allow you to blend in some to all of the neck pu with the bridge pu, or the bridge pu w the neck pu. Pretty slick but I haven't installed it yet. It was like $8 and supposedly has a special taper. Obviously you would have to wire your tone control as a master unless of course you are like Leo and think that you can never have enough brightness with your bridge pickup.

    The strat I'm currently using has a Deaf Eddie Chromacaster 4 pole 6 position rotary switch for the middle control which is really slick with linkages that include series and parallel combinations, and in and out of phase - all in the same switch position! He also makes a Fat-o-Caster rotary switch which omits the thin whiney OOP linkages. I never could remember what each position does when I installed it 15 years ago but now it makes perfect sense to me! I guess I better see a doctor about that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    Who pissed in your Lucky Charms?
    I think that you did, Bob, and that it could have been avoided had you explained that this was a poll of 4 guitarists sharing the stage on a particular YouTube video ( YouTubeo? I keep waiting for my trademarked name to catch on but it never does... * )

    From title of your thread I was expecting it to be an open poll with a lot more names and the option to write in other names (which might not even be possible here with polls — I don't know.) Including the start times for each guitarist so that we could skip ahead to next one would have been helpful.

    I screw up and start threads with titles that are easily misunderstood but I own up to it and apologize for the confusion it caused rather than lash out at people complaining that they were expecting something else...

    A title like "Which of the 4 guitarists on this video has the best blues tone?" would have been much clearer. I do appreciate you posting this video with the 4 guitarists sharing the stage which for a poll like this is much better than a compilation of clips from 4 different performances which would introduce too many extraneous factors.

    All too often when you get a large number of guitars on the same stage (think Crossroads) the result is a lot of noise where everyone is stepping on each other and nobody's got very good tone.
    You should check out "Night of the Guitar - 1989 - Full Concert" on YouTube...



    https://youtu.be/4l0LA6d3GYw

    Before a wall of Marshall screens, getting on and off stage, alternating turns for 3 hours, were Steve Howe (Yes, Asia), Leslie West (Mountain), Robby Krieger* (The Doors), Randy California (Spirit), Steve Hunter (Lou Reed, Alice Cooper, Peter Gabriel), Pete Haycock (Climax Blues Band), Andy Powell and Ted Turner* (Wishbone Ash), and Alvin Lee (Ten Years After). The 'nine axes' enjoyed a rhythm section that clearly met expectations: Clive Mayuyu (drums), Derek Holt (bass and voice), Livingstone Browne (bass and keyboards) and Chris Bucknall (keyboards).
    • The initiative all came from the record label I.R.S. No Speak, founded at the beginning of 1988 by Miles Copeland III, master of ceremonies of the night of the guitar and brother of Stewart Copeland (The Police drummer, who also took part as invited guest on the final number that closes the record).
    (en) Various Artists - Night Of The Guitar - Live! (1989)

    This was released on two VHS tapes which I rented and copied 25 years ago. When I went back to buy them they had already been sold and I never stopped looking for other copies so I was very glad to see the full show uploaded to YouTube.

    When I set up my rig for digitizing my irreplaceable VHS tapes these two were the first I did because they were so good.

    Most of the numbers feature only 2 of the nine guitarists but there were ~8 minute jams with all of them at the end of each tape which were a lot better than you might expect.

    Leslie West's "Theme for an Imaginery Western" with the coolest vibrato I have ever heard had me drooling for a Steinberger for years. I would nominate Leslie West for the best blues tone ever based on that video... it ain't 12 bar blues but it has more soul than a dozen SRV wannabes!

    https://youtu.be/sVG7eQ1TcNo


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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    My list, to name a few!

    SRV (featured)
    Jimi Hendrix
    Eric Clapton
    Duane Allman
    Buddy Guy
    Kenny Wayne Shepherd
    Johnny Winter
    Joe Bonamassa
    John Mayer
    Mike Bloomfield
    Yes, well, Stevie would sound good playing through anything. He was one of those remarkable players that could exploit every musical property from any gear. It sort of skirts the spirit of the topic that he could win (could have won ) any tone contest because of his fingers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minim View Post
    Well I went with Bramhall, 'cause to my ears he's the guy who sounds least generic. I don't get the Mayer thing. He just sounds too much like a refined Jimi/Stevie Ray. Sure, he has his middle-of-the-road, boring "sweet" neck pickup tone, lacking excitement and remaining radio-friendly. Yawn.

    Having said that, I love using the neck pickup.

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    I must give props to Jimmie tho...I do enjoy those Alnico tens.
    Blech! Nope. Really? Just because it's different doesn't automatically qualify anything as ABOVE the common. I've heard it said that one challenge to any artist is to create the NEW without creating the STRANGE. I think the same sensibilities that apply to tone, what's interpreted as good or bad, applies to food as well. It comes down at least partly to what you're exposed to and familiar with and then refining and elevating. I'm not saying that no one want's to eat a mustard cheesecake, we all get to choose what we like for ourselves. I'm just saying that if MY amp sounded like that (sans whatever pedals are in use there) I would repair it.
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    This is a FLAWED "poll" because Bob P posts it and first thing his anxiety pushes him into is posting what HE thinks.
    Talk about biasing any later answers.

    If it were a legit investigation or quest he should have bit his tongue until well after a dozen answers were posted.
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    Ok. Agree. But now we're past that thanks to you! I'm not so easily diverted from my own opinion anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    This is a FLAWED "poll" because Bob P posts it and first thing his anxiety pushes him into is posting what HE thinks.
    Talk about biasing any later answers.

    If it were a legit investigation or quest he should have bit his tongue until well after a dozen answers were posted.
    this isn't a double blinded scientific experiment, Juan. it makes no difference if I vote first or last -- we all know that everyone here is so set in their beliefs that nothing I say is going to change their mind about anything.

    at this point i think the poll is working pretty well -- 10 people have voted and only two of them failed to understand the first sentence in the first post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve A. View Post
    I think that you did, Bob, and that it could have been avoided had you explained that this was a poll of 4 guitarists sharing the stage on a particular YouTube video ( YouTubeo? I keep waiting for my trademarked name to catch on but it never does... * )

    From title of your thread I was expecting it to be an open poll with a lot more names and the option to write in other names (which might not even be possible here with polls — I don't know.) Including the start times for each guitarist so that we could skip ahead to next one would have been helpful.

    I screw up and start threads with titles that are easily misunderstood but I own up to it and apologize for the confusion it caused rather than lash out at people complaining that they were expecting something else...

    A title like "Which of the 4 guitarists on this video has the best blues tone?" would have been much clearer. I do appreciate you posting this video with the 4 guitarists sharing the stage which for a poll like this is much better than a compilation of clips from 4 different performances which would introduce too many extraneous factors.


    You should check out "Night of the Guitar - 1989 - Full Concert" on YouTube...



    https://youtu.be/4l0LA6d3GYw



    (en) Various Artists - Night Of The Guitar - Live! (1989)

    This was released on two VHS tapes which I rented and copied 25 years ago. When I went back to buy them they had already been sold and I never stopped looking for other copies so I was very glad to see the full show uploaded to YouTube.

    When I set up my rig for digitizing my irreplaceable VHS tapes these two were the first I did because they were so good.

    Most of the numbers feature only 2 of the nine guitarists but there were ~8 minute jams with all of them at the end of each tape which were a lot better than you might expect.

    Leslie West's "Theme for an Imaginery Western" with the coolest vibrato I have ever heard had me drooling for a Steinberger for years. I would nominate Leslie West for the best blues tone ever based on that video... it ain't 12 bar blues but it has more soul than a dozen SRV wannabes!

    https://youtu.be/sVG7eQ1TcNo


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    I'd forgotten about this, awesome video thanks for posting. As a young guitarist i was in awe of the tones of Peter Haycock and Steve Hunter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    I'm just saying that if MY amp sounded like that (sans whatever pedals are in use there) I would repair it.
    Musical tastes aside, you're actually a bit of a bit of a comedian

    In defence of Bob I don't see what the confusion was regarding the poll, it seemed pretty clear to me.

    However. If, after all these years, folks are still enjoying these Fenderish 12-bar lullabies, they could do with 'broadening their horizons' a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minim View Post
    If, after all these years, folks are still enjoying these Fenderish 12-bar lullabies, they could do with 'broadening their horizons' a little.
    It's a classic! We liked it then well enough that it stuck around. Should we also stop enjoying pancakes just because they've been around so long? How about Strats and LPs? Oh man, not THOSE old guitar designs (hrmph).

    Anyone who says they don't enjoy the old 12 bar is denying their instincts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    Anyone who says they don't enjoy the old 12 bar is denying their instincts
    Heck when I was a youngster, wasn't much of a blues fan. Boring! What did I know, just a white boy growing up in the suburbs. As a serious music student, was exposed to more challenging music styles and I enjoyed them. But over the course of time I came to appreciate the blues, a simple format with countless variations.
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    I guess I'm one of those in denial of my instincts.
    I'll confess right off I'm not a strat guy. To me it was 4 variations of 'typical strat', 3 which sounded fairly similar and one which stood out for more 'rip your head off ice-pick' factor. I liked the Bramhall most perhaps because the dynamics seemed more pronounced and made me pay more attention to his tone. Or maybe it was just the different style as Minim mentioned. And I do hope you were joking about the broken amp Chuck or maybe my hearing is broken.
    Anyway, just trying to analyze how my biases affected my preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    I guess I'm one of those in denial of my instincts.
    Some of us may have more instincts than others. i started off without any and I've had to work to develop what i have... and i hate to admit it, but some people are probably born with more than i've got.

    yes, it was all "stratty". The video was a SRV tribute, as was mentioned earlier. of course the strat factor changes the paradigm a lot. I think that Gary didn't get many votes on this video, perhaps because he was playing a foreign instrument. his normal guitar of choice is a hollowbody Epi with P90. I think his P90 tone without the stompboxes is pretty good, better than his strat tone in this video. because he was invited to a strat party, i think his tone suffered. he was out of his element.

    interesting point about Bramhall and dynamics. i thought his sound to be garden variety SF Fender played with a lot of headroom. I might have dismissed his tone because his amp reminded me too much of me playing my twin, playing a big SF fender that I can't crank into the sweet spot because of my small room size.

    i have to confess that I considered his clean sound as a detriment, and that I didn't consider dynamics as part of my analysis. Bramhall was definitely a LOT more dynamic than Mayer. in fact, your dynamics idea highlights one of the reasons that I dislike the Dumble sound as much as I do -- I find the Dumble tone to be overly compressed and a bit too far to the dark side.

    blues guitar tone is sometimes about dynamics, and it's sometimes about note compression, sonic bloom and that singing sustaining quality. i should have given it more thought. i thought Mayer was too quiet in some passages, but maybe it was just because he was overcompressed by that amp. but I thought that the tone was still good even if his dynamics were on the flat side, which perhaps caused some volume problems at times.


    i thought the concept of the poll was pretty clearly clearly identified in the first sentence of the first post, though I can see how someone might jump to the wrong conclusion if they only paid superficial attention to the thread title. i view this as a problem of failing to read for comprehension with resultant jumping to conclusions, so i'm not going to be overly apologetic and take on the responsibility of being artificially gregarious to cover up for someone else's misteaks, or their instinctive grumpiness.
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    Well, if I were to vote, I'd vote for Gary's tone. You don't have to worry about me being influenced by riffs. 12 bar blues bores the ever living shit out of me.
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    Gary was my #2, then Mayer, with Jimmy last.
    I'm still waiting for somebody with a blanket over their speakers to pick Jimmy #1 and say all the others sounded too dark.

    Bob, we see so few polls here that instinct is not to look at the first post after the poll. On my screen I see the poll first, and have to scroll down to see anything else. Instinct would be to vote first, then see what others had to say about it. There is no mention of a video in the poll. I only scrolled down after asking myself 'who would think these particular guys have the best blues tone?'.
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    Maybe "Video Tone Poll: Who's Got the Best Blues Tone?" would have been a better title, but the board doesn't let peasants like me mod their thread titles.

    Interestingly, everyone who has complained that I did a bad job with the title has moderation powers and is capable of fixing the problem, but they're hijacking the thread instead. Why donesn't one of you just fix the problem instead of complaining about it?
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    I don't see a problem with this one. Maybe it's not what some people expected, but it's a fun little distraction in the Lobby. If somebody wants something different, they are free to start another thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    ...And I do hope you were joking about the broken amp Chuck or maybe my hearing is broken.
    Well now there's two standouts for that tone (actually three if you include Doyle) . It's easy to disregard an opinion. Harder to do that with two. Maybe I'm the wing nut. Actually I do have a more conservative attitude about "tone" because I fancy myself a designer. So I'm more interested, generally, in creating idealized tones that are used by the majority of the guys that actually buy amplifiers. heavy lean to some of my own preferences of course. But still probably "boring" to some that only want something different and are tired of anything that is considered standardized. That's as close to concession as I'm willing to make
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    Vaughn's tone screamed 'country' to me. Maybe subconsciously others heard that too and he got the fewest votes (zero, by last count). Country players can 'swing' and they can 'shuffle', but it's not the same as playing the blues. I'm thinking the difference between Blue Christmas and The Sky is Crying.

    Mayer's pickup choice lent itself to the high frets, where the singing quality came out. Lower on the fretboard the tone was a bit subdued. That's why I didn't vote for him. I think Gary listened to his tone and made pickup selection to compliment what he was doing. Caveat: most of what I heard from all 4 was 'wankery' so I wasn't terribly impressed overall. Good thing the poll was about tone
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    Poor Jimmy. Nobody likes his tone. At least he drives some badass cars.

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    Ok... Since we're posting images, I always liked this one. John's guitar face is always more goofy than average. Adding the slug just looks right.
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