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    Bally 'Kiss' pinball machine

    Not really musical, but ever so tenuously related;

    (That's opened the door for plenty of Kiss jokes...)

    I have a long-term customer and all-round good guy who's bought a Bally 'Kiss' pinball machine. He brings me challenging jobs and has asked me if I want to look at it if it goes wrong. At the moment its working and has been overhauled - whatever that means. Having looked at the service notes for the machine it seems there could be a lot more work than just fixing a fault. Its a late 70s model and could have a load of issues that get picked up on a proper overhaul (such as power supply improvements, backup battery replacement). Who knows what's been done or not.

    Should I steer clear and is he best finding a specialist repairer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Bailey View Post
    is he best finding a specialist repairer?
    Get Enzo to visit, with his toolbox & spare parts kit. He knows all about pinball machines. I'll bet he & Wenzo would like some good hot crunchy finch & chimps, maybe some snake & pygmy pie too, all those English specialties.

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    Whatever level of skill I have in the amp business, I had an equally developed level of skill in the coin-operated amusements field. At least in the era of that Kiss game. I used to do seminars on repair and maintenance of these things. I even had a monthly column in a couple trade magazines. I trained technicians to work on these. I bet we can guide you through most anything it requires.

    Now if you find someone local who is experienced, then by all means use him, as it is so much more efficient to work on things in person.

    Overhauled: pinballs are mechanical as well as electronic. The rubber rings harden and break, screws come loose on stuff, the solenoid slugs mushroom out on the ends and drag the walls of their coils. And a zillion 6v bulbs to burn out or work loose. Open blade switch contacts abound. They must be adjusted for action and kept clean of contact. The ones the ball activates are gold flashed so use no abrasives. (I use a business card or piece of cardboard.)

    Electronically, those inline molex connectors like to burn up certain higher current pins. The score display modules like to crack solder on the row of male pins. The HV DC for the neon displays is regulated to 180v (if I recall) but if the zener fails or the regulator shorts, now they run on like 240v, which shortens their lives considerably. Other board molex pins get solder cracks too. Remember the whole machine spends its life shaking and vibrating.

    There is a 3.6v nicad on the CPU board for memory support, and those can fail and leak. That stuff will dissolve your copper traces, so we need to watch for that.

    A careful wax job on the playfield and you are ready rock and roll all night.

    They do require regular maintenance. They are constantly trying to bang themselves into oblivion.

    There is a TON of diagnostics packed into the little button inside the coin door.

    And that playfield glass? It is tempered, and if you nick the edge, it can explode into a million little glass granules. Slide it out carefully and stand it on its end somewhere. DO not set it directly on a cement floor nor slide it along when you move it. Put a rag or newspaper under it.

    If you want to get involved, we can help you.

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    Whilst I hope it doesn't go wrong, it's perhaps inevitable given the age and beating it has to take. I'm pretty good at electro-mechanical stuff and a new challenge is always welcome, though there's a lot to learn - especially as it's just one machine. Independent pinball guys are extremely rare around these parts, though there are some 'hired gun' people who go anywhere in the country to fix machines. I'm really grateful for the offer of help and no doubt I'll be posting here again with a request. I hope he's got a good machine to begin with. I get plenty of music gear that claims to have been 'restored' or 'serviced' and nothing (or very little) has been done.

    Heck - I just looked at how much people are asking for these machines. Insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    you are ready rock and roll all night.
    And part of ev-er-y day!

    While I'm on a tangent, when I saw the thread title, the first thing that came to mind was 'ballykissangel', which I know was the title of a Brit TV show but that's all I know. Mick, you are in the UK, did this game have anything to do with the name of that show or just some bizarre coincidence?

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    Kiss is one of the best known pinballs of all time. Is indeed themed on the rock band. The electronic music plays the I wanna rock and roll tune.

    I just found out that Stern came out with a reissue a couple years ago, I am familiar with the 1979 model.
    https://pinside.com/pinball/archive/kiss

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    The tunes on the original are bleepy and barely recognizable, especially 'Shout it out loud' when you lose. Typical of the era, though. I had an electronic watch in 1978 that you could laboriously program tunes into and it sounded the same. For me, the noise that these things make would drive me nuts. It's one piece of memorabilia that I wouldn't want.

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    I love pinballs, especially the pre-1976 ones that were all relays and solenoid stepping units.

    yes, they had a few beeps and boops of the scale handy and they made tunes with them. Very crude, but a big step at the time.

    I would set up a pinball here in my apartment in the home, but the noise would have villagers with pitchforks and torches at my door. Our new years eve party is over by 7PM.

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    I used to 'live' in barrooms.

    Me & my bud got real good at pinball.

    There was always that one machine that did not seem set up correctly.

    Is there a way to set them that the 'play' is bad?
    (the ball shoots right down the middle)

    I have also seen the rear legs set high.
    Is that for action speed?
    They were the ones that sucked quarters .

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    The people who own the games and provide them to bars are called operators. The bars rarely own the machines.

    Smart operators tune the machines to return about 30% free play. SOme operators make the games almost impossible, but that really discourages play.

    Lifting the rear legs speeds the ball drop. We set up the feet so the game doesn't roll left or right, and the speed is sufficient but not too fast. Sometimes we find bar patrons have stuck ashtrays under the front feet to slow down the ball. Usually this results in a ball barely able to drop. Inside the game are a number of tilt detectors. One is a ball in a track on the cab side. It is adjusted so that if the front is lifted, the ball rolls rearward and hits a tilt contact. This fights the ashtray people.
    PA Pinball - Sys1 Ball Roll Tilt Assembly

    The thing we all know as the tilt - the sensor that detects you rocking the machine - is a pendulum hanging in a ring. If the pendulum touches the ring, it completes a tilt circuit.



    Some you might not know:
    The playfield has many little posts that support the rubber rings. The posts look a bit like little fire hydrants. A number of them move, they have several holes in the playfield to screw to. A typical game has two flippers in the center, then a "slingshot" next to each. (An angled rubber that kicks the ball into play.) The top end of the slingshot is usually where a side exit is. That top support post can move to adjust the size of the side exit path. Might only be a quarter of an inch, but it makes a large difference. Some important targets - like a "special when lit" - have a post on either side. Sometimes those posts can be moved forward or back to change the difficulty of hitting that target. Or perhaps the target itself moves back or forward. In some games the ball entry up top feeds the ball into several parallel paths over score switches, and maybe have an ABC sequence. If we move the posts either side of B slsightly higher, it makes B lightly harder to get, thus making an ABC sequence harder to complete. Sometimes we can alternate targets being lit - and the percentage of time they are on can be adjusted.

    Those are a few of many adjustments on a pinball.

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    I never really got into the groove of playing pinball. The pubs I used to frequent that had pinball machines always had a group of high-score jockeys hanging around - kind of a pinball brotherhood that 'owned' the machine. Even if they weren't there when you begun playing, they'd turn up and tilt the machine or shove you. In those places you'd better not get the highest score. I don't know why, but the places that had pinball machines attracted people who wanted to kick your teeth in at the slightest provocation.

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    I never chose to frequent places where teeth kicking took place for any reason. My local watering hole had a pair of pins in a little alcove, and we did have a regular bunch of people playing them. We sometimes played for money or drinks. But mostly, if we had five or six of us, we played for low man off the machine, give the next guy a turn. I think I did spend more time holding the pool table than the pinball machine though.

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