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    Sir Ringo!

    ABC News reports that Richard Starkey was knighted today.

    Sir Ringo!


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    And it took as long as it did because they listened to "It Ain't Easy", "Act Naturally", and "Octupus's Garden".

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    "It Ain't Easy",

    Uhmm.
    It Don't Come Easy?

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    What would you think if I sang out of tune?
    Would you stand up and walk out on me?
    Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song,
    and I'll try not to sing out of key.
    It doesn't get more autobiographical than that.

    I get a kick out of it when people bash Ringo for a lack of talent. He can pick up the phone and anybody who's anybody in Rock and Roll would gladly appear on-stage with him.

    More than once, he's been able to sing a Carl Perkins cover on one of the best selling records of all time. Who wouldn't have fun doing that?


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    If you've ever heard his live version of the tune, I remembered the lyrics better than he did.

    But yeah, I misremembered the title.

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    In the history of microprocessors and personal computing, there is a fork in the evolutionary road between 6809/6502 processor architecture and what that permitted/facilitated, and 8085/Z-80 architecture.

    I think there is a similar evolutionary fork in the rock drumming road between Charlie Watt's high-hat, and Ringo Starr's kick drum and tom. Charlie went for a jazzier looser feel, exemplified by how he used his high-hat (think "Get Off of My Cloud"), while Ringo went for a "deader" thud sound in his use of toms and kick-drum. Not that he eschewed cymbals, but with the possible exception of "Boys", cymbals played an incidental role in his drumming. Heck, "She Loves You" starts off with a roll on the toms.

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    Ringo was always a "beat" drummer and as good as he was at that, he wasn't particularly good at anything else. I have read somewhere that the Beatles tried to do some funky rhythms once upon a time and they quickly gave up on it because they sounded quite bad. That doesn't really surprise me, as Ringo's a 2 & 4 kind of guy, and the Funk On the One concept would be totally alien for someone like that.

    That said, I am impressed that he did as well as he did with the syncopations on Sgt. Pepper. They were a nice surprise from someone that hadn't done anything like that on record before.

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    I recall in interview once he described his style as whenever it seemed like he needed to fill in a hole, he added something.

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    None of the Beatles would be considered virtuoso players by today's standards, neither would probably any member of any similar band. What they had is extraordinary songwriting ability and universal appeal. From a perspective of broad record-buying public appeal, a good song beats (pun intended) virtuosity most of the time. That's why 'My Sharona' gets more plays than Eric Johnson's 'Cliffs of Dover'

    I call Ringo's style 'meat and potatoes' drumming. I don't mean that to be disparaging, it's just a term I use to describe a workmanlike and basic style. Not without character, but not flamboyant.

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    I read an interview with John Lennon that took place when the Beatles were at the top. The guy asked John if he thought Ringo was the best drummer in pop music. John said "He's not even the best drummer in the band." OUCH!

    Aside from THAT I always though Ringo had a very distinctive and recognizable style. And that's always what it's been about. To put it on a level we can relate to I'll point out that most of the popular guitar players have a very recognizable tone and style even if they aren't the best players. I always liked how Ringo would play his stumbling rolls a little behind the rhythm and I like how he used his cymbals a little differently than other players. He was different, recognizable and his style was valid. He managed to create something new without being strange. That's a challenge for any artist. He's a friggin' Beatle after all!!!

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    Part of Ringo's style was the fact that he is left handed and he played a right handed drum kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    I read an interview with John Lennon that took place when the Beatles were at the top. The guy asked John if he thought Ringo was the best drummer in pop music. John said "He's not even the best drummer in the band." OUCH!
    That quote has been misattributed for decades. It was a British comedian who goes by the name of Jasper Carrott who said it, not John Lennon.

    George Harrison and John Lennon both recorded with Ringo from time to time after the breakup of the Beatles, and they both had their pick of drummers, of course. Harrison, in fact, once said that he'd played with the best studio drummers in the world but that none of them could swing a shuffle like Ringo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jot View Post
    That quote has been misattributed for decades. It was a British comedian who goes by the name of Jasper Carrott who said it, not John Lennon.
    This is way more "alleged" than John saying it. To be fair and honest I can't say if I read an actual interview or a string of quotes or bites, etc. But if I were a comedian and someone asked me if I was behind a famous, funny John Lennon quote I'm pretty sure I know what I'd say There's no proof other than Jasper's word and that his associates on this. The line is straight up Johns sense of humor. He wouldn't even have meant it, but he would have said it. We should both remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and agree to disagree.

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    I recently saw a Beatles documentary on PBS (it was probably Ron Howard's "Eight Days a Week") in which Sir Paul recollected what it was like when Ringo first played with the band. He said that Ringo had brought a spark of magic that they had been waiting for. What's so odd is that I don't think it was the band who actually selected Ringo, I think it was Brian Epstein who chose him for the band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jot View Post
    ....... Harrison, in fact, once said that he'd played with the best studio drummers in the world but that none of them could swing a shuffle like Ringo.
    That is it exactly. Ringo grew up listening to big band swing. You can hear it even in his rock playing. Nothing is exactly square. Even his rock and roll has a slight bit of swing to it. A very slight nuance, but it makes a big difference to the feel of a song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    This is way more "alleged" than John saying it. To be fair and honest I can't say if I read an actual interview or a string of quotes or bites, etc. But if I were a comedian and someone asked me if I was behind a famous, funny John Lennon quote I'm pretty sure I know what I'd say There's no proof other than Jasper's word and that his associates on this. The line is straight up Johns sense of humor. He wouldn't even have meant it, but he would have said it. We should both remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and agree to disagree.

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    Lennon said all kinds of snarky things. He had a high opinion of his opinions.

    FWIW I don't find that YT "Fact Check" video to be of any value. To me, it's just a video created by a YT guy who is trying to make money talking about the Beatles.

    According to the fact checker, the original quote was reported to have been printed in an article in the London Times during the era when the Beatles were still a band.

    The "Fact Check" is deficient on several levels:

    First, it attributes the comment to a comedian who's manager claimed that his client authored a funny joke. We all know that comedians like to steal other peoples' material, but we don't even have the comedian verifying that he wrote the joke. All we have is an unsubstantiated comment stating that his manager claimed that he wrote the joke.

    Although it was claimed that Carrott used the joke on TV, there's no TV clip, and there's no other proof that the comedian actually used the joke -- there are only unsupported claims by the YT guy that the comedian's manager told him that he wrote the joke. If this fact-check were serious it would have provided evidence in the form of a TV clip.

    All we have to go on are the personal assurances of the YT guy, without objective confirmation. I have to discount the Carrott claims as unsubstantiated.

    Second, the original comment was reported to have been first published in the London Times. Lennon would have made that comment during the Beatle era. Unfortunately the researcher's "fact check" in the London Times only went back as far as 1985, while Lennon died in 1980. I don't understand how a fact check would be valid if it doesn't go far enough back in time to actually cover the lifespan of the person who allegedly made the comment.

    Third, the video contains a lot of unrelated information, like references to internet blogs by nobodies, footage of Jasper Carrott telling a joke about a "mental Labrador" and Ringo talking about flowers in the recording studio during a White Album session.

    I don't see any value in this "fact check." To me it's nothing but speculation by a youtube guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    I recently saw a Beatles documentary on PBS (it was probably Ron Howard's "Eight Days a Week") in which Sir Paul recollected what it was like when Ringo first played with the band. He said that Ringo had brought a spark of magic that they had been waiting for...
    as their teeniebopper fan base became no longer distracted by cutie Pete Best and began to focus on John and Paul!

    (fixed!)

    On Ringo's Knighthood, good for him, it suggests he is now sober enough to care about such stuff (as well as to find the Castle), I wonder if his wife attended?

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    First, thank you Bob for covering the key points I was sighting as flags in that *uoutube video. Those were the things I keyed in on as well. And it clearly demonstrates that there is alleged allegedness. Knowing enough of Jasper's material I'll just say that the quote predates the claim and that it fully represents Johns sense of humor more than Jasper's.

    Jot... If you could, please, point out where the PROOF is in that video I will happily digress.

    EDIT: I've already stated that I think a lot of Ringo as a drummer. This isn't the Ringo bad vs. Ringo good argument. I think it's the Ringo good people that are attempting to default this quote. I like Ringo. I don't really care.

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    I don't really have a horse in the race when it comes to the Lennon quote, and I don't really know or care who said it, it was funny. I'm content to leave it at that.

    But I do have a problem with "fact checks" in general, and especially so when they aren't what they claim to be. All too often it seems that people present half-baked "fact checks" to promote their political views, relying upon a favored "fact checker" who is as biased as they are in support of their views. Fact checking loses it's value when anyone can find a fact checker to support their opinion, especially when the fact check is based upon fallacious logic. Unfortunately people are inclined to take a fact checker's opinion at face value without paying critical attention to the underlying logic as long as it supports their view; this provides the basis for all of the "fake fact" nonsense that the world is being burdened with now. I tend to ignore most posts that involve "fact checks" and typically do not respond to them because I'd rather not grab onto a tarbaby with both hands.

    I do think the quote was funny, regardless of who said it. I've heard the other Beatles play drums, and my personal opinion is that Ringo was the best drummer in the Beatles, and that's what makes the joke funny -- the joke's premise was absurd. Part of the absurdity is that there were other Beatles who thought they were better at everything than everyone. I can think of one in particular. I bet that guy would even say he was a better bass player than Paul.

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