Glue to use on overlapped tolex?

daz · 09-12-2008, 05:07 PM

I have a sorta unusual situation where i need to overlap tolex over itself. So what you have is the cloth backing on top of the outer slick black tolex. It overlaps only about a 1/4". I won't use rubber cement because i've had far too many instances of it coming loose in certain weather. I switched to white glue for tolex, but while it works great to attach tolex to wood, i tested it for this situation by trying to glue 2 rest pieces of tolex together back to top as in overlapping and it doesn't hold. Don't want to use super glue because i'm sure i'll get it on the showing area. So does anyone know what i can use for this that will hold? preferably something i can buy a small amount of because i only need to glue about a foot long by 1/4" area. So i don't want to have to buy a 10 dollar bottle of something i'll never use again.

cbarrow7625 · 09-12-2008, 08:44 PM

How about trying some PVC cement (like for plumbing). It basically melts vinyl. Put that on & put some nice heavy weights on it to smoosh the backside of the tolex into the vinyl.

Never tried it. just a thought that occurred to me. It's cheap too.

Whatever you do, try to scuff up the tolex first & clean it with a solvent. Both will promote adhesion of anything you try.

Also, how about some shoe repair glue? (like Goop or something).

daz · 09-12-2008, 09:56 PM

That sounds like a great idea, however i already bought something which runs along the lines of your "repair" idea. It's something i found at a hardware store today at lunch called VLP which is for "vinyl/leather repair". It also mentions fabric, so being the backing is cloth it should work perfectly. I just hop it can be wiped off without damage if you clean it right away because for what i'm doing i'm almost sure to get some on the outside area.

clyde1 · 10-12-2008, 07:36 PM

Super glue works too, although I've only used it on corners. Flexweld (trade name) that I use for all covering is good too.

daz · 10-12-2008, 08:52 PM

Not for me it doesn't ! It'll stick just fine, but maybe i'm a klutz but i cannot use SG right next to anything that will be ruined by it because i will ruin it every time. That vinyl glue worked perfect and the bit that i did get on the outside area i was able to wipe off w/o damage.

olddawg · 10-12-2008, 09:25 PM

I use a hot glue gun and wipe off the excess.

daz · 10-13-2008, 08:26 PM

I've used that too, tho it still makes a bit of a mess. But again, this vinyl glue was the bomb. I do like hot glue for a lot of things tho and have used it in some situations with tolex.

mac1amps · 10-14-2008, 12:48 AM

The "industry standard" for tolex is contact cement (though some purists prefer hyde glue). Be aware that after you've applied it to BOTH surfaces, you have to wait for about 20-30 minutes, 'till it feels dry to touch, and THEN apply the surfaces to eachother.

olddawg · 10-14-2008, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daz

I've used that too, tho it still makes a bit of a mess. But again, this vinyl glue was the bomb. I do like hot glue for a lot of things tho and have used it in some situations with tolex.

Contact cement is the way to go for large areas. For beat up small rips, tears, separations, and repairs hot glue is a fast an effective fix. That and a black felt tip marker for black tolex. Hot glue you can always remove or reset with a hot air gun. (hair drier on steroids)

daz · 10-14-2008, 08:03 PM

I stopped using contact cement for several reasons including the fact the fumes are horrid. But i found that carpenter's glue and a staple gun to hold it tight while drying worked far easier and better results. But i posted this topic about a whole different issue. But as to large areas, IE the main job itself, i'll never go back to contact cement.

cbarrow7625 · 10-14-2008, 08:10 PM

Daz,

I think you are thinking of rubber cement. Contact cement is often water based & has no fumes. It's the kind of stuff you use to attach a laminate to the top of a table. You apply it to both halves, they dry and when stuck together they never come apart again. It is a great suggestion and would probably work really well.

Rubber cement has awful fumes. Good call there.

pila · 10-21-2008, 01:57 AM

The tolex glue from AES is rubber/water based, and works ok for me. I've used contact types too, and 3M77 for tweed with sucess. Masking required for the 3M stuff.

09-12-2008, 05:07 PM	#1
daz Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,066	Glue to use on overlapped tolex? I have a sorta unusual situation where i need to overlap tolex over itself. So what you have is the cloth backing on top of the outer slick black tolex. It overlaps only about a 1/4". I won't use rubber cement because i've had far too many instances of it coming loose in certain weather. I switched to white glue for tolex, but while it works great to attach tolex to wood, i tested it for this situation by trying to glue 2 rest pieces of tolex together back to top as in overlapping and it doesn't hold. Don't want to use super glue because i'm sure i'll get it on the showing area. So does anyone know what i can use for this that will hold? preferably something i can buy a small amount of because i only need to glue about a foot long by 1/4" area. So i don't want to have to buy a 10 dollar bottle of something i'll never use again.

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09-12-2008, 08:44 PM	#2
cbarrow7625 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philadelphia suburbs Posts: 366	How about trying some PVC cement (like for plumbing). It basically melts vinyl. Put that on & put some nice heavy weights on it to smoosh the backside of the tolex into the vinyl. Never tried it. just a thought that occurred to me. It's cheap too. Whatever you do, try to scuff up the tolex first & clean it with a solvent. Both will promote adhesion of anything you try. Also, how about some shoe repair glue? (like Goop or something).

09-12-2008, 09:56 PM	#3
daz Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,066	That sounds like a great idea, however i already bought something which runs along the lines of your "repair" idea. It's something i found at a hardware store today at lunch called VLP which is for "vinyl/leather repair". It also mentions fabric, so being the backing is cloth it should work perfectly. I just hop it can be wiped off without damage if you clean it right away because for what i'm doing i'm almost sure to get some on the outside area.

10-12-2008, 07:36 PM	#4
clyde1 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 82	Super glue works too, although I've only used it on corners. Flexweld (trade name) that I use for all covering is good too.

10-12-2008, 08:52 PM	#5
daz Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,066	Not for me it doesn't ! It'll stick just fine, but maybe i'm a klutz but i cannot use SG right next to anything that will be ruined by it because i will ruin it every time. That vinyl glue worked perfect and the bit that i did get on the outside area i was able to wipe off w/o damage.

10-12-2008, 09:25 PM	#6
olddawg Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 498	I use a hot glue gun and wipe off the excess.

10-13-2008, 08:26 PM	#7
daz Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,066	I've used that too, tho it still makes a bit of a mess. But again, this vinyl glue was the bomb. I do like hot glue for a lot of things tho and have used it in some situations with tolex.

10-14-2008, 12:48 AM	#8
mac1amps Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 137	The "industry standard" for tolex is contact cement (though some purists prefer hyde glue). Be aware that after you've applied it to BOTH surfaces, you have to wait for about 20-30 minutes, 'till it feels dry to touch, and THEN apply the surfaces to eachother.

10-14-2008, 08:03 PM	#10
daz Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,066	I stopped using contact cement for several reasons including the fact the fumes are horrid. But i found that carpenter's glue and a staple gun to hold it tight while drying worked far easier and better results. But i posted this topic about a whole different issue. But as to large areas, IE the main job itself, i'll never go back to contact cement.

10-14-2008, 08:10 PM	#11
cbarrow7625 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philadelphia suburbs Posts: 366	Daz, I think you are thinking of rubber cement. Contact cement is often water based & has no fumes. It's the kind of stuff you use to attach a laminate to the top of a table. You apply it to both halves, they dry and when stuck together they never come apart again. It is a great suggestion and would probably work really well. Rubber cement has awful fumes. Good call there.

10-21-2008, 01:57 AM	#12
pila Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 68	The tolex glue from AES is rubber/water based, and works ok for me. I've used contact types too, and 3M77 for tweed with sucess. Masking required for the 3M stuff.

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