Need to identify this speaker.

[Alan0354]

I have a Fender Rock Pro Speaker Cabinet Model: GE112 with Serial #M198792. Do you make that speaker?

Inside the speaker, there are no sticker label of any sort, the back of the magnet is just plane black. but there is a sticker on the magnet reading:

040598

121186 8Ohm
67-95240127 G1

On the cone, it has "1273-1" printed on it.

Is this made by you? What model is this? What is it closest to?

[Enzo]

67 is the code for Eminence speakers, they made it. They typically have a label on the side of the magnet.

The date code says 9524, which means the 24th week of 1995

8 ohms is obvious. G for Guitar

121186 is the Eminence number


040598 is Fender's part number for it.


The speaker would have been made to Fender's spec, but is probably similar to one of the commercial models. I wouldn't hurt to politely contact EMinence and ask if that speaker is SIMILAR to one of their current models. The Fender specs would be proprietary in most cases, so we don;t want to ask questions Eminence cannot answer to us.

1273-1 is the cone number, they might be able to tell you something about that.

[Alan0354]

Thanks for you answer. Where do you get these detail informations?

Yes, I wrote to both Eminence and Jensen already. I have this speaker and I test it already. It is better than the two Celestions, but it's not exactly what I am looking for. So it's very important to know what is the model number.

The ribbing of the cone does not look like the Legend 1258. It looks more like the Texas Heat.

Does it help to show a picture? Also, by looking the ribbing on the cone, can I predict the sound characteristics?

[Enzo]

Alan, I can't answer where I know that stuff from. I have been running a pro audio repair facility for three decades, and have been in electronics for 60 years. Date codes and manufacturer codes are just a fact of life I learned in the foggy past.

You mentioned it was a Fender speaker, so I recognized the 040598 as their part number.

Here is some data:
Speaker Codes, Amps, & More

Or for a longer list:
http://www.audiophool.com/Misc/EIAcodes1961.pdf

[Alan0354]

Thanks for all your help. You have been of big help.

[J M Fahey]

You didn't post the picture, but if the magnet diameter is around 100mm to 110mm , some 10mm thick (I mean the ceramic magnet, not the iron disks sandwiching it) and the Voice coil is 38mm dimeter and with side lighting it appears to be made of translucent orange plastic, it's the (by far) mst common and cheapest generic speaker made by Eminence and used by the millions in Fender (Parformer 700/1000 , (Special) Pro 112, Princeton 112) , many Crate, Peavey, and thousands more.

That said, it's incredible that such a cheap speaker sounds that good.

It was once sold to the public, in the Legend series (I told you that Legend are popular OEM speakers labelled so for sale to the general public) as the Blue Tick Hound.

They had to pull it, because specs don't "look" good and that hurt sales.
Although it sounds good

Remember a lot of people "listen through their eyes" and prefer wines by looking at the price label.

Oh well.

[Alan0354]

I just finished taking and resizing the pictures:







I put it in the cabinet and it sounds a whole lot better than the Celestion G12T-75. The Celestion is in the shed already!!!

It sounds different from the Utah, but it is actually fuller with a little more bass BUT not Booming like the Celestion. It is just so much better.

[Alan0354]

You didn't post the picture, but if the magnet diameter is around 100mm to 110mm , some 10mm thick (I mean the ceramic magnet, not the iron disks sandwiching it) and the Voice coil is 38mm dimeter and with side lighting it appears to be made of translucent orange plastic, it's the (by far) mst common and cheapest generic speaker made by Eminence and used by the millions in Fender (Parformer 700/1000 , (Special) Pro 112, Princeton 112) , many Crate, Peavey, and thousands more.

That said, it's incredible that such a cheap speaker sounds that good.

It was once sold to the public, in the Legend series (I told you that Legend are popular OEM speakers labelled so for sale to the general public) as the Blue Tick Hound.

They had to pull it, because specs don't "look" good and that hurt sales.
Although it sounds good

Remember a lot of people "listen through their eyes" and prefer wines by looking at the price label.

Oh well.

I compare to the ribbing of the cone, it does not look like the Legend series. It is very close to the Texas Heat!!!

That's the problem with a lot of people, they go by the name of the brand. And if it is stock, it has to be inferior. For the longest time when Fender selling their CS Fat 50 pickup set, people like it. Now that they put it in the Am Std. Strat as OEM, then people start hating it and change it out!!!

[J M Fahey]

Oh well.
I compare to the ribbing of the cone, it does not look like the Legend series. It is very close to the Texas Heat!!!

How would you know that?
You have never ever seen a Legend Blue Tick Hound before !!!
Why do you compare it to *other* Legend models?

And the ribbing of the cone is a minor matter, a particular manufacturer may choose more or less for a given amp, what matters is magnet structure and voice coil diameter.

Will you please measure and post the f*cking magnet diameter as I asked you?
Insted of babbling about irrelevant things no one asked you?

FWIW I just measured one, it has 118mm magnet diameter.
How much does yours measure?

That's the problem with a lot of people, they go by the name of the brand. And if it is stock, it has to be inferior. For the longest time when Fender selling their CS Fat 50 pickup set, people like it. Now that they put it in the Am Std. Strat as OEM, then people start hating it and change it out!!!

Did anybody ask you anything about "what's the problem with the people" or Fender guitar pickups?
Don't deviate the subject as usual and let's get back to guitar speakers.

PS: remember to also measure and post magnet thickness.

[Leo_Gnardo]

FWIW throughout the 80's and 90's I was aware of only two ceramic-magnet 12" speakers Eminence offered to the aftermarket/repair purchaser. (Similar with 10"). One "simulated" the general Celestion tone, the other a bit more mellow and it appealed to jazz players & some hard rock - heavy metal players. Occasionally speakers made OEM, that is for a specific manufacturer, would show up on the surplus market, sometimes dead cheap. Right around the turn of the millenium, Eminence went all "Baskin-Robbins" with their Redcoat & Patriot lines plus Legends besides. In one way, what a bonus of choices. In another what a bonus of confusion: how is one supposed to decide, even with specifications, response curves, and even audio samples available on their website. You have to play it to know it. Once my customers were satisfied with their "vanilla or chocolate" choice. Now they worry they couldn't have done better by getting one of the other speakers they didn't choose. All this complicated by the arrival of other makers' guitar speakers at about the same time: Jensen, Weber, Warehouse, Scumback, ToneTubby and I'm sure I left a few out. Even if you tried 'em all, you'd have to take notes on each and how they interact with your favorite amps to find favorites. Who has the time to do that. Add in the OEM's we've never had much access to as aftermarket buyers, it gets way beyond confusing.

Find something you like, if you can, and land on it. General advice for anybody.

FWIW in 12's some of my favorites are Eminence Texas Heat, ToneTubby ceramic green frame (? model #), Jensen C12Q. I've occasionally been surprised at how good a broken-in "cheap" Eminence Legend can sound.

[guitician]

Have you seen this from them.... The Tone Chamber, Eminence Guitar Speakers Audition Room

[Alan0354]

How would you know that?
You have never ever seen a Legend Blue Tick Hound before !!!
Why do you compare it to *other* Legend models?

And the ribbing of the cone is a minor matter, a particular manufacturer may choose more or less for a given amp, what matters is magnet structure and voice coil diameter.

Will you please measure and post the f*cking magnet diameter as I asked you?
Insted of babbling about irrelevant things no one asked you?

FWIW I just measured one, it has 118mm magnet diameter.
How much does yours measure?



Did anybody ask you anything about "what's the problem with the people" or Fender guitar pickups?
Don't deviate the subject as usual and let's get back to guitar speakers.

PS: remember to also measure and post magnet thickness.

It is 5.22" X .055" or about 133mm X 14mm. It is bigger than yours.

But I got the answer from Eminence already, this is the copy of the reply:


121186 was a custom designed OEM speaker that we manufactured to one of our customer's specifications. It is an 8 ohm speaker with a 1.75" voice coil and a 30 oz ceramic magnet. We do not rate OEM designs (that is left up to the customer to test and rate their cabinet or amp), but a conservative thermal power rating based on the voice coil diameter would be about 50 watts. Here are the T/S parameters:



05-RE OHMS 6.36 13-FS HZ 89.82

06-LE MH .76 14-MMS GMS 15.51

07-QM 11.12 15-CMS mm/N .2025

08-QE .830 16-RMS NS/M .7873

09-QT .770 17-VAS LTRS 88.75

10-XMAX MM .90 18-SD SCM 558.64

11-BL TM 8.20 19-EBP 108.6

12-EFF % 7.49 20-SPL dB 100.7

I’d say our most similar stock model is the Legend GB128.



I listened carefully on Eminence site, I agree it is close to GB128

[J M Fahey]

Yes, it's true.
It's the 30 oz magnet which they use a lot, and 44mm/1.75" voice coil *screams* of "British sound", also having 8 ribs in the cone.

FWIW you said it was not similar to any Legend

it does not look like the Legend series.

.... and Eminence themselves told you it's a variant of one !!! (GB128).
To be more precise, it's a "cheap" version of it given it has a lighter 30 oz. magnet vs. the Legend's 38 oz.

[Alan0354]

I think I am choosing between Legend 1258 and 1218. 1258 is all American. 1218 has some British tone......it is really in between 1258 and GB128. I personally like the 1258 better, but 1218 gives slightly more highs without the true British sound.