Weird double branded speakers

[g1]

Before anyone tries to claim the reward with this one, it doesn't count (not 'hotdog').

[Randall]

As far as how they sound, I didn't really crank them up. And also, I am unable to play much these days, I have multiple problems with my left hand. If they are both working, all good as far as I am concerned.

[Helmholtz]

To me it seems clear that these speakers are not original/ OEM. They don't have the Jensen frame code and everything looks too new. Jensen and Oxford ceramics from the era had black frames and backplates. Also the magnet looks too big. I vote for fake stickers. Maybe Weber used black backplates at some time.

[Chuck H]

That picture doesn't show the color well because of the lighting, but it doesn't look like the regular Jensen blue. Which was darker and tended to go a little green with age yellowing. And still lighter and lower in chroma than current Jensen speakers. Weber blue baskets look a little deeper too, but I'm thinking maybe it's the lighting. As far as I can tell Weber never painted the plates on their magnets. But Jensen did. Lots of black magnet plates on Jensens. I'll wager 6 beer PNW those labels are the reproductions from Reverb (dot) com. They look a little too stylized in color to be actual vintage. The only image I found of that label on an older speaker was more burgundy and had more sheen to the finish. I think those repro stickers are made to "look" vintage-y.

It's my opinion that those speakers are Weber builds on Weber baskets using Jensen magnets (probably from the speakers that USE TO be in there) and then someone stuck repro stickers on them.

In which case they probably sound just fine. But let us know anyway.

[Helmholtz]

How do they sound?

[g1]

Backplate and removable cover are 2 different things. The 'backplate' is essentially part of the polepiece, like Enzo said.
I would normally just call the whole assembly stuck onto the basket the magnet, but my point is about this particular polepiece being black as opposed to silver. This sticker is part of this magnet assy. as far as I'm concerned.

I don't want to keep going on about this, so I'll add a little incentive to keep it interesting.
I have a $50 (CDN, sorry ) reward if anyone can find me evidence of a standard production speaker that uses this 'hotdog' style basket in BLUE with a magnet that has a BLACK backplate/polepiece. It's just not done, the backplate is always silver.
My guess is this was some one-off custom order or limited production run because they did not have silver backplates available. Or some other weird situation. But no one would ever approve of this colour combination for standard production. My guess is Weber needed some (magnet assy's) in a pinch or got a crazy deal on them.

Prove me wrong.

[Randall]

I was responding to glebert in post #10 regarding swapping a cover (backplate), which I don't think is the case here. But if it is a Fender sticker applied to a Weber speaker, two things. First the Fender sticker has a small hole in the center which would expose the Weber sticker unless somebody went to great lengths to remove the Weber sticker (also the Fender sticker appears to be smaller in diameter than the Weber sticker, further exposing it). And second, where does one obtain a made in Chicago Jensen/Fender sticker when these Jensens were ceased to be made in the late 60's I think? Seems like an inordinate amount of effort to disguise a blue/green basket speaker.

[g1]

Yes, I was talking about the magnet backplate (black). Fender only uses that with black baskets.

[The Dude]

^^^^^^ Yes, that. You don't want to try removing anything but the sticker or you'll destroy the speaker (if one didn't want the sticker).

[Enzo]

Sticker is just paper, but the metal plate it is stuck on is the pole piece of the magnet assembly.

[The Dude]

I believe he's talking about just the tan sticker. It's only a paper sticker.

[Randall]

I don't think it is a cover or backplate, to my understanding it is the magnet. I know I am certainly not going to try to pry it up to see.

[glebert]

Isn't the bit with the Fender sticker just a cover? Could somebody have swapped the cover (backplate?) from the original speaker onto this Weber just to make the amp look more original?

[g1]

I would have thought the same, but they would have had to re-paint the basket blue, and I can't see why they would.

[Justin Thomas]

Weber will recone any speaker into one of their own, too. If you have an old burned out speaker they'll recone it to something of theirs that is close, just reusing the original basket, frame, whatever. I bet it was a blown Fender-branded whatever that Weber remade as one of theirs, probably the closest equivalent to the original...

Justin