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  • Sunn 300T cutting out

    working on a 300T. amp came to me w/ 2 of the 100ma power tube fuses blown. it now has new power tubes and those tube fuses have been replaced. at first, after biasing/balancing, it works fine. but it started cutting out until it eventually stopped passing signal entirely.
    i reseated all of the ribbon wire harnesses and checked that all of the knobs and buttons were in the appropriate positions. i turned it back on and still no signal. i used a signal tracer to determine the input signal is definitely getting through XV1 and XV2, but not reaching XV3. signal also gets to tuner out jack consistently. i poked around on the board w/ a chopstick to see if i could find any loose connections or bad solders. no luck. removed XV3 to see if the signal would pass that far w/out that tube in place. still nothing.
    when i re-inserted XV3, the amp suddenly worked again.....for a few minutes. it seems that once i give it any volume it cuts out again. not all at once...it will cut out for a second then come back, then cut out for a second and come back, etc. if i nurse it along w/ the volume low i'm pretty sure i could keep this pattern up for a long time. but i've found that after the first cut out, if i turn the master up a hair, the signal will come back... this will work for the first 2-3 cuts before the amp goes silent.
    i'm inclined to think this is a bad transistor or solder joint. but, i REALLY don't want to take the board out to resolder everything. so i'm checking here first. thoughts?

  • #2
    Yeah, you got FX loop jacks? Patch a cord from send to return, any help? Got a power amp in jack? Oatch a cord from preamp out to power amp in, any help?
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    • #3
      hey enzo, forgot to mention...yes it has a effects loop. patching from send to return does not affect anything. i DO get a signal off of the send jack, however.

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      • #4
        OK, with the patch cord, the output still cuts out, right? SO since the send works, does that remain going when the output quits? Or does that send signal also cutout? Isolate the problem.
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        • #5
          correct. i ALWAYS get a signal off of the send jack. i cannot find a signal w/ my probe on V3 at all, and obviously it's not getting to the power amp either.
          i have a schematic, but it's a confusing read, because it's like 4 pedals and an amp all mashed together but spread out among 6 different pages. a friend of mine suggested it might be filter caps not holding a charge given the nature of it passing a signal for a few minutes but giving up after you try to get any volume out of it.
          i've had trouble accessing this forum lately. so all of this information i'm relaying now is several days old in my head. i'm ready to try some new approaches if you've got any more suggestions. thanks again, enzo!

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          • #6
            i don't think that your friend's suggestion is correct, since i've never had a tube amp on the bench do that due to filter caps not holding a charge. and if they didn't, the preamp would exhibit problems too. if it were me, since you already checked the send/recieve jacks, i'd first be looking around the phase inverter part of the circuit before moving on to the power amp.
            johnk

            JohnK Custom Basses

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            • #7
              ok, so...most recent probe of the 300T gave me the following information:
              -turned amp on w/ bass plugged into input. volumes and EQ knobs all set to about "5". i plucked a string on the bass and i slowly turned the master volume up w/ no signal coming out of the speaker until about "3", at which point signal came in strong all of the sudden but w/ obvious crackly noises. when i plucked the string again at this point the signal abruptly cut out.
              - using my probe into secondary listening amp, i find the signal @ V1, V2, V3 AND V4. master volume on sunn can be turned up to 10 at this point w/ no sound coming through. although, the signal my probe gets is obviously affected by me turning any dials on the sunn.
              - at this point, i move on to the power amp and put my probe on pin 5 of the power tubes where i also find the signal. and from there i probe directly onto the speaker jack where, of course, i find NO SIGNAL. (i have also double checked that my speaker is plugged in properly on both ends and is reading the correct impedance.)

              the only thing i see between power tubes and speaker jacks is the output transformer. is it likely that the OT is shot?
              thanks again, everybody!

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              • #8
                i'd at least ohm out the the output tranny to see what it reads before i'd consider that being the problem. personally, i don't think that it is.
                output trannys generally don't make crackling noises and cut out. the bad ones that i've tested usually have way too low of output and are distorted.
                johnk

                JohnK Custom Basses

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                • #9
                  Without me looking at the schematic...

                  The only thing between the power tubes and the speaker is the output transformer?

                  How about the wiring, and the jacks, and the connections on the circuit boards, and the impedance selector switch, and that pair of 0.22 ohm 10 watt resistors in the transformer lead to ground?
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                  • #10
                    OK, I cheated. I did go look at the schematic, and added the two resistors to my list.
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