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  • #16
    I am guessing there must be a choke wired between A+ and B+, or at least a resistor, otherwise there is no path for current from the rectifier to the B voltages.

    600v film caps are available from a bunch of sources.

    C1 doesn't have to be 600v.

    If C10 and C11 are leaky, then I'd replace all the film caps, there are only a handful anyway.

    When the trem doesn't work, the first thing I'd check is the feedback caps. I suspect C5,6,7 are history, so replace them.

    The trem works by oscillating. The signal at the plate of V1 feeds back throug C7, C6, and C5 to the grid of V1. Those three caps and their associated resistoprs form a sort of delay line of RC circuits. The output of the tube feeding back to its input makes an oscillator. if it doesn't oscillate, then the caps are bad, or the tube is bad, or the switch is bad. I vote caps, myself.

    As that oscillating signal goes up and down, the tube current of V1 shares cathode resistor R11 with V3. The current through R11 varies as teh oscillation in V1, so the voltage across R11 varies. SInce that voltage is also the cathode voltage of V3, this varies the bias of V3. Si it modulates the signal coming through V3. Tremolo.

    SOmewhere between the plate of V2 and the top of the volume control, there needs to be a cap, I'd say. otherwise the B+ from the plate will find its way into the volume control and appear on the grid of V3. I'd suspect between V2 and R8/C3. or possibly in that plain wire going up and over from Treble control to volume control.
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    • #17
      Exactly right, on all counts. Replaced the caps in the tremolo circuit, and now it works fine. replaced all the coupling caps with orange drops, and now it's been turned on for about 15 minutes, and no redplating. before it would be redplating within a minute or two.

      thanks for the help!

      Originally posted by Enzo View Post
      I am guessing there must be a choke wired between A+ and B+, or at least a resistor, otherwise there is no path for current from the rectifier to the B voltages.

      600v film caps are available from a bunch of sources.

      C1 doesn't have to be 600v.

      If C10 and C11 are leaky, then I'd replace all the film caps, there are only a handful anyway.

      When the trem doesn't work, the first thing I'd check is the feedback caps. I suspect C5,6,7 are history, so replace them.

      The trem works by oscillating. The signal at the plate of V1 feeds back throug C7, C6, and C5 to the grid of V1. Those three caps and their associated resistoprs form a sort of delay line of RC circuits. The output of the tube feeding back to its input makes an oscillator. if it doesn't oscillate, then the caps are bad, or the tube is bad, or the switch is bad. I vote caps, myself.

      As that oscillating signal goes up and down, the tube current of V1 shares cathode resistor R11 with V3. The current through R11 varies as teh oscillation in V1, so the voltage across R11 varies. SInce that voltage is also the cathode voltage of V3, this varies the bias of V3. Si it modulates the signal coming through V3. Tremolo.

      SOmewhere between the plate of V2 and the top of the volume control, there needs to be a cap, I'd say. otherwise the B+ from the plate will find its way into the volume control and appear on the grid of V3. I'd suspect between V2 and R8/C3. or possibly in that plain wire going up and over from Treble control to volume control.

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      • #18
        Hi, I have a Lifco amp just like yours. Thanks for some good information on it. The tremolo doesnt work on it either. I plan on fixing it. I just recently put in an new birch baffle for the speaker. Someone hacked a huge hole in the original.
        This amp sounds great. Its not that loud, maybe some new tubes would help. The natural distortion it produces is amazing.
        here's a link to a picture of it...you have to scroll down just over half way till you see the amp with the red framing around it.
        http://fenderbronco.tripod.com/id14.html

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        • #19
          Cool. I'm glad my work has helped someone else out. have you checked my schematic against your amp? did i ever correct the one posted here? all of Enzo's points were valid...

          after replacing the caps, i put a matched pair of EL84s in and this thing is deafening in my band's rehearsal space. i'd like to hear it in a larger room...

          mine doesn't look like that at all. i'll see if i have some pictures to put up...

          again, for the reference of anyone else who finds an old lifco 630 somewhere...

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          • #20
            lifco 630

            (((I am guessing there must be a choke wired between A+ and B+))) can it simply be the input of the output transformer that act as a choke ? Cause i got this amp and got the same wirering no resistor or choke . And if yes does this design affect the sound quality ?

            the tremelo do not work at all , , i have changed the caps with no result, still dont work ,, swaped tube , still nothing , all resistor are in spec. Is the trem's tube a 6av6 too , ???? .

            (on my 630 all caps are rated at 400V , the bias resistor is 150ohms . all resistor are 1 watt . big filter caps are 20uf and 20uf . )

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            • #21
              the resistor between a+ and B+ is 5k 10watts sandbox ,

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              • #22
                I have found the problem with the tremelo , the 27k on the trem swith was open , hmmm , very nice trem ,

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                • #23
                  there's no choke on my amp, and it doesn't look like there ever was. in my schematic i missed a resistor between A+ and B+.

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                  • #24
                    Pwr tubes have been run past the design center values for decades without issue. Look at the schem for a blackface Deluxe Reverb.......
                    For the tremolo, just replace any electrolytic or paper caps and chances are it'll run as intended. Capacitors are 90% responsible for trem circuit failure.
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