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  • Rivera 55-12 amp - recap and tone control weirdness

    Hello all, and happy father's day to you dads in here.

    I'm working on a friend's amp that had some problems. This is an early 90s Rivera 55-12 that had some blown out filter caps and other assorted leaky electrolytics. The amp had so many leaky caps we just shotgunned them all. 23 in total. The good folks at Rivera like to use roofing tar to glue their caps to the board and solder from the top and bottom so that was a fun afternoon. Normally with changing this many caps I'd do a little at a time and test as I go, but this amp required total board removal so I did them all at once. Blah.

    The amp works very well now, sounds great, low noise floor, nice and stable. It still needs new tubes, but the amp works fine. We brought the caps up slowly on a variac through a light bulb limiter. No problems. I'm seeing expected voltages where you'd expect to see them...and some where I didn't expect it.

    The issues:
    1) I'm getting DC voltage on the outside of a few caps. 200vdc to be exact on one of them. I wasn't expecting this. The caps are installed cleanly and oriented correctly. Why would there be that much voltage on the outside shell of a cap? And if there is a problem with it why is the amp working so nicely?

    2) With the tone controls all the way off there is no signal. I didn't test this before we dug in but it seems odd to me. Same situation on both channels. With the tone controls all the way off there is no sound. Crack any one of the tone controls open a little and the sound shows up. Maybe that is just a feature of this amp, I'm not sure. Doesn't seem right though. I also found two pot-to-PCB solder connections that were left unsoldered at the factory. I soldered them because they had traces on the board. Maybe I inadvertently made a connection that aint supposed to be there?

    Here's the only schematics I could find and they're pretty hard to read.
    Rivera_r_series.pdf



  • #2
    Originally posted by Greg_L View Post

    The issues:
    1) I'm getting DC voltage on the outside of a few caps. 200vdc to be exact on one of them. I wasn't expecting this. The caps are installed cleanly and oriented correctly. Why would there be that much voltage on the outside shell of a cap? And if there is a problem with it why is the amp working so nicely?
    Please specify which caps.

    As the amp uses stacked PS filter caps, the negative terminals (and shells) of the upper caps will sit on half voltage.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Helmholtz View Post

      Please specify which caps.

      As the amp uses stacked PS filter caps, the negative terminals (and shells) of the upper caps will sit on half voltage.
      Thanks. They're very hard to see/read in the schematic. They're the 330uf 250v caps right after the diode rectifier in the top PT secondary on the schematic. There are two of the same cap and one of them has the voltage on the outside.

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      • #4
        If you study the tone stack, (loosely described) if all pots are counter clockwise there is zero resistance to ground and it shorts the whole signal to ground, see red lines. This is how it was designed, cheap and easy to use. Click image for larger version

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jon Snell View Post
          If you study the tone stack, (loosely described) if all pots are counter clockwise there is zero resistance to ground and it shorts the whole signal to ground, see red lines. This is how it was designed, cheap and easy to use. Click image for larger version

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          Thank you. I did notice that on the schematic but I wasn't exactly sure I was reading it correctly.

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          • #6
            https://music-electronics-forum.com/filedata/fetch?id=839464
            Rivera series R30&55&100W'93
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            • #7
              Originally posted by vintagekiki View Post
              Ooooh yeah that one's nice and clear. Thanks!

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