paf specificiation (details)

[soundmasterg]

My gut tells me that Gibson just used garbage tops from Les Pauls to create spacers. Stuff that was too thin, or had a knot that couldnt be filled and properly turned gold. Either that or it was made from the cut-offs of maple when the top was cut out, but that would be WAY more laborious. Gibson was very practical. The spacer from my PAF was flamed, which lead me to believe it was a garbage top.

b.

So due to the flamed spacer, your PAF was worth 500% more right?

Greg

[Stan H]

So due to the flamed spacer, your PAF was worth 500% more right?

Greg

[David Schwab]

I recently bought a 3/4" hardwood dowel at Home Depot. The whole thing has a flame to it! Seemed like a real waste of figured wood.

[clown_luthier]

Thanx on helping guys,
i will order parts from Montreux for my start

what do you think about elektrisola wire for pafs? how thick in mm should i buy?

[belwar]

if you are just doing a few then order a spool of plain enamel 42 awg from mojomusical. that's the most authentic wire. I don't believe that electrisola is selling plain enamel currently. they sell colored poly solderable. either way you want 42 awg min-nom thickness single build insulation

[clown_luthier]

if you are just doing a few then order a spool of plain enamel 42 awg from mojomusical. that's the most authentic wire. I don't believe that electrisola is selling plain enamel currently. they sell colored poly solderable. either way you want 42 awg min-nom thickness single build insulation

Thanx, just to check, is this the wire i need?
http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/ite...014&id=2113767

[Chadheckler1]

42 AWG Single build PE...

Thanx, just to check, is this the wire i need?
http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/ite...014&id=2113767

Yes, that is the stuff...

[clown_luthier]

Yes, that is the stuff...

Thanx on helping
anyone have private pictures of mojo bobbins?
on site pics it looks little too yellow



i like Spenc's color of bobbins:


anyone know where to find this color double cream bobbins (49,2 mm spacing)?

[Chadheckler1]

Mojo bobbins...

Thanx on helping
anyone have private pictures of mojo bobbins?
on site pics it looks little too yellow

I don't like the Mojo Bobbins for three reasons...

1. The screw side holes are a little to large. I like the screws to thread themselves into the plastic relatively tight.
2. As you said the cream is very yellow looking...this could be a problem for some people that want the traditional gibson cream color.
3. They have a small but sharp piece of flash on the inside of the bobbin from when they are molded. If you don't remove and sand this you could damage the wire when winding (Allparts/stewmac are nice and smooth on the inside)

The color shouldn't really matter if the sound good! On the plus side you can buy the mojo bobbins as singles and you can get any spacing and any color orientation (Screw and slug side cream...)

[clown_luthier]

2. As you said the cream is very yellow looking...this could be a problem for some people that want the traditional gibson cream color.

Thanx on info
any sources for nice gibson cream color bobbins?

[Chadheckler1]

I think that the allparts/stewmac are close enough for me...they only come in one orientation from what I have seen...Black bobbin is the screw side.

The other pickups you have shown above look like they have more of a white look to them which is pretty cool...but I doesn't look the same as the ones from stewmac/allparts.

[clown_luthier]

Thanx

anyone know how many turns of wire are on pafs, i have beauty of the burst book and i see that it is 5000 on every bobbin but, do anyone of you know are this turns simetrical? or maybe one have less, like 4500 and other 5500?

[belwar]

Thanx

anyone know how many turns of wire are on pafs, i have beauty of the burst book and i see that it is 5000 on every bobbin but, do anyone of you know are this turns simetrical? or maybe one have less, like 4500 and other 5500?

Mr. Gundry is more of an expert in this, but the original gibson winders did not have auto shut offs. Seth Lover in a couple of interviews stated that they just filled the bobbin. The coils are rarely matched. It's not un-common to have PAF's measure from in the High 6kohms to mid 9kohms's. I think the average was about 7.5kohms ish.

Most people that own PAF's wont tell you the individual coil measurements because they had to pay a lot to get it.

In other word, there is no exact way to duplicate a PAF winding because there inst one quintessential PAF wind. Instead people find things they associate with PAF's and stick with it. Most people tend to wind around 5000 turns, and tend to make the screw coil hotter by a few hundred turns.

b.

[Possum]

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I do know one thing for certain, in '62 and onward the coils were equally wound, not sure when this happened, if it was also so in '61. The unequal coils thing is overrated, all the commercial sets I've examined most of them don't mismatch the coils at all, Burstbuckers, Holmes, Seth Lovers, matched coils, or very tiny mismatch....

[JGundry]

The hand made PAF slug winder I own does not have an auto stop counter. The Lessona 102 did have auto stop counters. There is a third "mystery" winding machine that also had auto stop counters that did 6 bobbins at one shot. I think the coil offset comes down to three main variables. Differences in wire tolerance with 42 AWG from spool to spool and even with a spool. Differences in turn per layer count between machines. And finally differences in ramp down speed for the machines that had auto stop counters. All of these add up to varying degrees of coil offset. As as example a lower turn per layer count will get more wire on the bobbin for the same number of turns. I think the switch to poly also meant more consistency in a wire diameter within 42AWG. Plus I think Gibson also bought more of the "mystery' machines around 62' because they were so much more efficient from a winding standpoint than the Leesona and the slug winder. But even at that you still get some coil offset that I think has a lot to do with how the turn per layer number was set on the "mystery" machine.