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  • #16
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    the look of screws DOES change the tone. Try a Guitar Jones (may he rest in.....peace, maybe...) bucker pole screw, then replace it with any of the ones I"ve had made. The GJ screws have tiny heads and barely a slot in them, the ones I use have big heads and big slots, just the physical proportions make the two sound radically different. A stainless steel P90 soap bar mount screw and a steel one change the tone in the pickup, and usually they will look different, the vintage type ones have round heads and the modern ones have flat tops.

    STock guitars from the big names Fender and Gibson almost always have vintage type pickups, vintage replicas they're not, I'm not talking boutique pickup makers here I'm talking the whole picture, the entire industry, the vintage types I am sure outnumber EMG or any of the engineer techy types. Look at bands like White Strips, they're rediscovering vintage guitars and pickups and doing cool things with them. Basically all of it is regurgitated music, every star God guitar player got there by learning from the masters that preceded him. I like jump blues players like Watson etc. its like SRV, he took something old and made it even better and made it his own. I don't think there is any truly original music, its all been done before. I like space music, but really that stuff came from movie tracks and was expanded on. I don't know why you are so disturbed by craftsmen studying the old arts of pickup making and keeping them alive, should we quit making violins and harpsichords because they are vintage instruments, all they are doing is playing stuff over and over that was written hundreds of years ago, does it have to be new and original to be good? I just think that the vintage types of pickups will always be around and will be the mainstay of the guitar market for a long time to come. I like doing vintage type pickups because there are very few actually doing them right, the way they were actually done. Builders don't seem to see whats in front of them when studying a vintage pickup, they miss all the details that create those tones, it took me years to learn how to really look at these old artifacts. PUtting a stewmac kit together does nothing to get you there. So thats my niche and I enjoy it and my customers come back for more. Even my unique designs are tributes to the past, thats why, like you, I study patents because those guys had reasons for what they did, and that stuff is fascinating to read....
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    • #17
      I think Belwar and David should exchange their boats of screws.

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      • #18
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        David, you're also forgetting the fact that I'll be 60 pretty soon so I AM vintage BE the vintage, SEE the vintage, MAKE vintage reproductions, grasshopper I've tried alot of the so called improved pickups, the noiseless stuff, EMG was my client for 12 years and tried all their stuff, the most impressive pickups I've tried have always been the old stuff, the musicality of those designs outshines the high tech ideas for me. I'm also not a big fan of modern type basses, one of the best ones I've heard for blues is the old Harmony semi-acoustic type the host uses at the jam, but then there's NOTHING that beats an upright bass, thats my idea of killer bass tones. 'Scuse me while I go lay another dinosaur egg, I guess......
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Possum View Post
          the look of screws DOES change the tone. Try a Guitar Jones (may he rest in.....peace, maybe...) bucker pole screw, then replace it with any of the ones I"ve had made. The GJ screws have tiny heads and barely a slot in them, the ones I use have big heads and big slots, just the physical proportions make the two sound radically different. A stainless steel P90 soap bar mount screw and a steel one change the tone in the pickup, and usually they will look different, the vintage type ones have round heads and the modern ones have flat tops.
          They are a different alloy.. you know this. I have replaced the Stew-Mac screws with your screws, and your screws sounded better. But both have pretty much the same head size. They are almost exactly the same dimensions.

          And I wasn't talking about pole piece screws. We were talking about the wood screws used to attach soapbar P-90's to the guitar body.
          It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


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          • #20
            Originally posted by Possum View Post
            David, you're also forgetting the fact that I'll be 60 pretty soon so I AM vintage BE the vintage
            Soon? I thought you were there already! I just turned 52 on Friday, so I'm vintage as well.

            I'm not saying there isn't a (recent) market for repros, I'm saying that all the boutique builders together don't sell more pickups than EMG.

            That's not saying which is better, just which sells more. Down with the mainstream I say!

            I'd rather have DeArmond gold foils in a guitar than EMGs or real PAFs.
            It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


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            • #21
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              Well actually the size of the heads on the GJ screws and the teeny notch have an effect too. 52???? Man you just got outa the cradle! I guess that makes me a relic Well you seem to have a bias against vintage repro work, I'll have to admit when I first started making pickups I swore I would NEVER make vintage repro stuff But then for fun instead of making P90's the way I learned from Jason's book I got the baseplates and keeper and made one, and I was SOLD. That thing sounded way better to me. Personally I think anyone who seriously wants to make pickups should study the old masters first and really try to do what they did back then. It will teach you soooooo much you won't get any other way. Learn to make single coils first or you won't understand buckers very well, which are hugely complex in comparison. I recently cloned another vintage type bucker set and damn if I didn't learn a whole bunch of new stuff from doing that.

              My beef, as you mentioned guys want to get the tone of their guitar heroes, is that they DON"T do enough research. Zeppelin tone through a Blues Junior with an Epiphone LP, just doesn't work. Master volume amps for Jimmy tone, NO. Most of them don't want to hear it though, they'd be hard pressed to get his tone from what he was actually using, or any of those guys back then, plus they could actually PLAY :-) Expensive low capacitance guitar cords? Stuff back then was junk, big tone cap connecing your guitar to your amp is what they were. Now are you gonna tell me you don't have at least one vintage type Fender bass guitar?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Possum View Post
                Now are you gonna tell me you don't have at least one vintage type Fender bass guitar?
                No.

                Well I have this, which was once a '74 P bass!



                It was an awful bass, so I made it into an 8-string back in 1980, and then I cut the body into this shape. In this picture it has a new neck I made for it.

                I also have two '74 Rickenbacker basses, and a couple of old guitars, like a '72 Mustang and a '59 Jazzmaster.

                I can get traditional Fender type tones from my "modern" basses just fine. It's not always the bass, but what you do with it.
                It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


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