Mis information

[madialex]

I have to post this because frankly I'm a little irked off about it.
I have been going back and reading some older posts like people who are new to winding etc.. And have come to a shocking conclusion. A lot of the questions that were answered especially about winding, things like tension and TPL were answered just plain wrong!
I do appreciate someone keeping their secrets I really do but putting wrong info out there for the sake of throwing someone off is just plain wrong and I have seen it and read it right here. If you cant be truthful when answering A new winders question just don't answer at all ok?

I wont mention who did this but they know who they are and should feel bad. I am also not condoning giving someone an easy out either but a scrap of truth is a lot better than a pound of lie. It really screws someone up who is trying to figure out this so called art of winding when they get fed wrong information, it only takes 2 to 3 times longer to figure out whats really going on.

BTW this is in no way to offend anyone or start a flame war, just an observation is all.

OK, putting my soap box away now. Rant is over. Carry on.

[Possum]

You know, I realized that too, later on down the line. Was it intentional or was it maybe TO MAKE YOU THINK. My attitude is to listen to what others say but NEVER take it as truth unless you test it out for yourself. I found alot who posted ideas had never tried them out and most of that stuff was just plain wacko. I have to laugh at some who quote Wikipedia as some kind of holy database of truth. All that stuff is written by ordinary people, some with knowledge, some with not enough knowledge, and I'm sure some who want to protect their little domains by polluting their chosen subject with disinformation. The last time I read the PAF page on Wiki there were obvious omissions and stuff that isn't true, I was going to join and correct it but stopped myself in time, LOL...

[JGundry]

A lot of the questions that were answered especially about winding, things like tension and TPL were answered just plain wrong!

I think basically nobody answers these questions. There is one thing I posted that might seem wrong if you had not tested it. That is that the lower the TPL count the more wire goes on a bobbin for the same number of total turns when compared to a higher TPL bobbin with the same number of total turns. Say that 3 times fast.

[madialex]

Nah, twas not you guys. None of the real regulars here per say. I wont say who but it is blatent mis information for sure and it's wrong. I mean is someone so scared they will post the absolute wrong thing just to throw someone off? I mean the new guy is going to figure things out and may or may not be competition but thats what it's all about. Making a product that is good and people want to buy, not trying to kill off every person who wants to give it a try.

Jon, what you posted is right. You can wind 2 bobbins to have the same amount of wire on each but 1 be way higher in the DCR

[David Schwab]

I have to laugh at some who quote Wikipedia as some kind of holy database of truth. All that stuff is written by ordinary people, some with knowledge, some with not enough knowledge, and I'm sure some who want to protect their little domains by polluting their chosen subject with disinformation. The last time I read the PAF page on Wiki there were obvious omissions and stuff that isn't true, I was going to join and correct it but stopped myself in time, LOL...

To make matters worse, you can't do any "original research" on Wikipedia, so every article must link to outside sources, which are typically web pages. And once again, anyone can put up a web page and say anything. And some articles have no references at all.

[Rick Turner]

Ummm, errr...

Same amount of wire? Or same number of turns, which is, I suspect, what you mean. Same amount of wire would be same length of wire which would be same DCR.

A major difference will be distributed capacitance in exactly how you wind. With fewer TPL, you have wire crossing over the previous layer more rather than laying in parallel. The highest capacitance would be in a coil where the TPL is done with turns exactly laying next to one another with a layer having as many turns as the diameter of the wire divides into the space between bobbin flanges. Very doable with an automatic winder. I've got charts that came with my CoWeCo winder showing exactly which change gear sets to use for the traverse to do this, and of course, with a CNC winder, you'd just plug in the numbers. Such a coil will give you the physically smallest coil, the lowest DCR, and the highest capacitance possible...if that's what you want.

Just bear in mind that original PAFs were machine wound, NOT hand wound, so the counts per turn was fairly consistent, though funkiness in the machines was a factor.

[Mike Sulzer]

To make matters worse, you can't do any "original research" on Wikipedia, so every article must link to outside sources, which are typically web pages. And once again, anyone can put up a web page and say anything. And some articles have no references at all.

There's lots of good stuff on Wikipedia. Most technical and scientific stuff is fine. Obviously you avoid controversial stuff like politics, religion, and pickup winding.

[David Schwab]

There's lots of good stuff on Wikipedia. Most technical and scientific stuff is fine. Obviously you avoid controversial stuff like politics, religion, and pickup winding.

I agree about the technical/scientific stuff. I use Wikipedia all the time. I've also found a lot of errors, mostly having to do with musicians and stuff like that.

[Mike Sulzer]

A major difference will be distributed capacitance in exactly how you wind.

But what is the percentage change in the total capacitance (of the whole circuit, pickup to amp) that you can get by winding in different ways? Keep in mind that most of the capacitance is from the cable, not the pickup, especially if it is a humbucker with two coils in series.

[Bill M]

I've said this before, there is a lot of misinformation floating around the web, especially within forums. I 100% agree with possum, listen to what is said, but never take it as truth unless you have tested it yourself.
I have read many threads, in many forums, that were just so full of bull crap that it made me sick. I try to stay away from threads like that because they usually end up in confrontation. People do google us and I don't want my name attached to threads like this. If I have to I will defend my own testing and research. I will not participate in threads and post info. unless I have first hand knowledge and research on the subject matter, unless I'm posting a question. If I have info. that I do not want to share I simply do not post, rather than providing misinformation.

[madialex]

Hi Bill, This is not about you either. Calm down there bro. Just a general statement that was bugging me and had to get it out and while I was at it I hope that the person who did it will really think twice before they do it anymore. They knew what they were doing and it was wrong, Plain and simple. I bet you anything the person who did it knows he does it a lot and will never post to the thread. So, no Bill it is not you.


Hi Rick, yes I meant turns. I didn't catch that this morning early when I posted it.

[Bill M]

Hi Bill, This is not about you either. Calm down there bro. Just a general statement that was bugging me and had to get it out and while I was at it I hope that the person who did it will really think twice before they do it anymore. They knew what they were doing and it was wrong, Plain and simple. I bet you anything the person who did it knows he does it a lot and will never post to the thread. So, no Bill it is not you.

I know its not about me, I'm calm . I would NEVER do that as I stated in my post, but when I see threads where people are purposely misleading others, especially noobs, it just pisses me off. Rant over.

[WolfeMacleod]

Hope it ain't me either!

[madialex]

No Wolfe, you have always been straight up. Hell I talked to you for almost an hour on the phone about pickups, so no, not you. I will never say who, I am just not like that. I may post some of what they put out there and word it differently so People cant go and find a thread or remember one with that wording etc.. Just to show what I mean..

[peskywinnets]

Was it Professor Plumb with the lead pipe in the conservatory? (cos that's how this thread is mapping out!)

And I know it ain't me cos I never give advice about pickups (cos I know jack sh*t about em!)