HSS Pickup Polarity

[big_teee]

I have a possible order for a set of Strat Pickups HSS.
If the Neck is South up and the Middle is RWRP, what Polarity does the Bridge Humbucker need to be.
I want the the Middle and bridge to sound right when they are both seleceted?
If I know in advance maybe I can head off Disaster!
Thanks In advance.
Terry

[David Schwab]

The magnetic polarity of the humbucker doesn't matter because its signal is a sum of the two coils, each having a different polarity. So it only has to be electrically in phase with the other two pickups.

[kayakerca]

I have a possible order for a set of Strat Pickups HSS.
If the Neck is South up and the Middle is RWRP, what Polarity does the Bridge Humbucker need to be.
I want the the Middle and bridge to sound right when they are both seleceted?
If I know in advance maybe I can head off Disaster!
Thanks In advance.
Terry

I don't have a Fender HSS, but I do have a Peavey Raptor plus. Working my way back from the neck the magnetic polarity is S - N - NS. Not a lot of help I know without the wind direction I know.

Take Care,

Jim. . .

[big_teee]

I don't have a Fender HSS, but I do have a Peavey Raptor plus. Working my way back from the neck the magnetic polarity is S - N - NS. Not a lot of help I know without the wind direction I know.

Take Care,

Jim. . .

When in Pos. 2 HS Does it Noise Cancel and in phase?
B_T

[kayakerca]

When in Pos. 2 HS Does it Noise Cancel and in phase?
B_T

Based on holding the guitar right up tight to a florescent light, there is no noise cancelling in position 2 between the Middle single coil and the humbucker, only noise cancelling is in position 4 between the neck and the middle single coil pickups (very crude test procedure, I know).

Take Care,

Jim. . .

[David Schwab]

The way to get noise canceling when using the single and HB is to split the humbucker in that position, and have the coil with the opposite magnetic polarity on the HB active.

[big_teee]

The way to get noise canceling when using the single and HB is to split the humbucker in that position, and have the coil with the opposite magnetic polarity on the HB active.

So If I wind all 4 coils CCW, which I do.
Starting with H, I will feed the North slug coil Like Normal.
Then the Middle is Also CCW North Up, do I Ground the Start or Finish?
I can make the Neck Whatever is left?
Thanks,
Terry

[copperheadroads]

THATS right
have your neck pickup south
mid north & the slug coil north
there is no hum canceling in position 2
as for the the bridge & middle pickup .don't they need to be wound in the same direction ?

[big_teee]

THATS right
have your neck pickup south
mid north & the slug coil north
there is no hum canceling in position 2
as for the the bridge & middle pickup .don't they need to be wound in the same direction ?

I agree.
If I feed the North slug Hummer coil. which gets fed on the middle the start or finish.
I think I would ground the Finish and feed the start on the Middle.
I guess I can put them in the guitar. Was trying to keep from doing that.
I'm Not worrying about the hum canceling in pos. 2 but Do want them in phase.
Later,
Terry

[David Schwab]

THATS right
have your neck pickup south
mid north & the slug coil north
there is no hum canceling in position 2
as for the the bridge & middle pickup .don't they need to be wound in the same direction ?

You are making this harder than it needs to be... the bridge pickup has two coils, how are you going to wind them in the same direction as the middle?

Follow this diagram:

Wiring Diagram | seymourduncan.com

If you split the bridge pickup when in that position (I call that 4, but you call it 2, I count from left to right... 1 is the neck, 5 is the bridge PU) then it will hum cancel with the middle as long as you switch out the correct coil. So, if the middle is North, use the South coil on the humbucker.

[big_teee]

You are making this harder than it needs to be... the bridge pickup has two coils, how are you going to wind them in the same direction as the middle?

Follow this diagram:

Wiring Diagram | seymourduncan.com

If you split the bridge pickup when in that position (I call that 4, but you call it 2, I count from left to right... 1 is the neck, 5 is the bridge PU) then it will hum cancel with the middle as long as you switch out the correct coil. So, if the middle is North, use the South coil on the humbucker.

Good enough.
It would be no problem if I was putting them in the guitar but I'm not.
As fas as splitting the coils, Don't think that will Happen either.
Thanks everyone for your help.
Terry

[copperheadroads]

You are making this harder than it needs to be...

Why am i making this harder
now your talking about splitting the humbucker to buck with middle pickup .
I'm assuming that you are winding all of them in the same direction

[big_teee]

I guess the confusing thing to me is if it is a regular strat that comes equipped with HSS.
It will probably have a different switch than a regular SSS Strat.
So I guess the splitting out the coil of choice is possible if say a Strat Comes with the Super Switch.
I am disadvantaged, Not knowing what kind of Strat I'm building pickups for.
However Like David says if I wire with 4 Wire, then the Tech can try it til he gets the right coil.
B_T
Edit *
Here's a fender diagram.
http://support.fender.com/service_di...0_02C_SISD.pdf
David, look at Page 4, and tell me which pickup is 1, Neck or bridge.

[David Schwab]

Why am i making this harder
now your talking about splitting the humbucker to buck with middle pickup .
I'm assuming that you are winding all of them in the same direction

The direction you wind the coil in makes no difference. The way you wire it up, and the polarity of the magnet does.

A standard Gibson style humbucker has both coils wound in the same direction, but wired up start to start, or finish to finish, so the would be considered out-of-phase. But the magnetic polarity in each coil is opposite, so that puts it back in phase. If you wind them opposite directions, then you wire them up start to finish.

Likewise, for single coils, you can wind them opposite, or just wire them up in reverse. It is advantageous to wind them with the start to ground however if your magnets are not grounded, to reduce noise. But it's the same deal, they are electrically out-of-phase, and the magnets are opposite. So, as an example, if you take two single coils, and wind them in reverse, if the magnets are both the same, say south up, the two pickups will be out of phase and sound thin, but they will hum cancel. If you have one north up, and the other south up, they will now be in phase, and still hum cancel.

You can't hum cancel a humbucker and a single coil because the HB has no hum. So you have to make it a single coil when you combine the two.

So what you want in position 4 is the coil from the humbucker that has an opposite magnetic polarity than the middle pickup. They should then be in phase and will hum cancel to an extent.

[David Schwab]

I guess the confusing thing to me is if it is a regular strat that comes equipped with HSS.
It will probably have a different switch than a regular SSS Strat.
So I guess the splitting out the coil of choice is possible if say a Strat Comes with the Super Switch.
I am disadvantaged, Not knowing what kind of Strat I'm building pickups for.
However Like David says if I wire with 4 Wire, then the Tech can try it til he gets the right coil.
B_T
Edit *
Here's a fender diagram.
http://support.fender.com/service_di...0_02C_SISD.pdf
David, look at Page 4, and tell me which pickup is 1, Neck or bridge.

Look at the Duncan diagram I posted a link to. That does not have a super switch. The pickup selector has two sides (poles). You only use one side to switch the pickups. So you put the series connection from the bridge pickup to the other side. Depending on which way you way to split it (stud or screw) you connect the series link to either ground or hot.

Just follow the Duncan diagram. They are showing a single coil size humbucker, but it doesn't matter. See how it says "auto-split"? It splits the humbucker in position 4 (middle and bridge), so you now have two single coils. They will hum cancel is you use the right coil from the humbucker.