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  • #16
    Use what you prefer. I don't see anyone saying "Everything else is junk." This is just another option available for us. Options are good.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Jim Shine View Post
      Use what you prefer. I don't see anyone saying "Everything else is junk." This is just another option available for us. Options are good.
      By all means, Use what You like, I do.
      What is one Guys Junk is another Mans Treasure.
      B_T
      "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
      Terry

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      • #18
        Originally posted by the great waldo View Post
        Hi Terry

        It probably would´nt be worth their while to turn their business into a "real business" and I for one am happy enough so long as they deliver to me. I take your point on that you can´t see how many holes there are, I just wondered if the lower iron/steel content with the extra holes would change the inductance or tone in any perceptible way.

        Cheers
        Andrew
        I agree Andrew.
        The 8 hole would have more steel to magetize.
        Those look like a very nice keeper bar.
        It looks very well made.
        I have a ton of the stamped kind to use up before I get anymore.
        I hope you guys enjoy the New Parts.
        T
        "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
        Terry

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        • #19
          Originally posted by David Schwab View Post
          I hate long legged baseplates as well. Mojo has short legged baseplates. Lately I have been using their fibre baseplates.
          I was thinking of trying some of those (fiber)... how are they? Do you use the plastic HB covers with'em as well?

          Inquiring minds wouls like to know.
          Pepe aka Lt. Kojak
          Milano, Italy

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          • #20
            Originally posted by LtKojak View Post
            I was thinking of trying some of those (fiber)... how are they? Do you use the plastic HB covers with'em as well?

            Inquiring minds wouls like to know.
            The fiber baseplates seem cool. I'm just working up some prototypes at the moment.

            The plastic HB covers don't use baseplates. They have the mounting ears with threaded inserts and are intended to be filled with epoxy. The fiber baseplates are for exposed coils.
            It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


            http://coneyislandguitars.com
            www.soundcloud.com/davidravenmoon

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            • #21
              It would be nice if he would answer questions on Ebay, I asked him why he is saying his baseplates are "plated with nickel silver" and what thread size the poles and adjustment screws are thread for. No answer. He's gotten 6 bad feedbacks in the last 6 months and not answering emails is one reason. I tend not to buy from sellers like that. Threaded baseplates would be nice but not for 8 bucks, baseplates only need to be the correct NS alloy and close to vintage specs and you're ok, its doubtful you could hear the difference between a vintage plate and the ones AllParts sells. The lead hole isn't vintage spec in the photos, too big, I bet the pole holes are metric threaded, the corner radiuses are too round too, probably Chinese or Korean made I bet.
              http://www.SDpickups.com
              Stephens Design Pickups

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              • #22
                Vintage paf baseplates were not threaded, they were punched with close tolerance to the pole screws. The pole screws, most times, made threads when passing through these holes. Vintage paf keeper bar holes were much tighter to the pole screws than whats being offered by most suppliers today. Also, not all pafs used 8 hole keepers, as many used 10 hole keepers. Either 8 hole or 10 hole would be paf correct.
                Bill Megela

                Electric City Pickups

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                • #23
                  Threaded through the baseplate is ok for vintage stuff ,But i think it is just a pain in the ass when assembling a humbucker -& really does anyone think it effects the tone
                  "UP here in the Canada we shoot things we don't understand"

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by copperheadroads View Post
                    Threaded through the baseplate is ok for vintage stuff ,But i think it is just a pain in the ass when assembling a humbucker -& really does anyone think it effects the tone
                    There's no reason at all for the screws to thread into the baseplate. And why would that affect the tone? I drill the holes out larger.
                    It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


                    http://coneyislandguitars.com
                    www.soundcloud.com/davidravenmoon

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by David Schwab View Post
                      There's no reason at all for the screws to thread into the baseplate. And why would that affect the tone? I drill the holes out larger.
                      It is hard to tighten anything that goes through 2 threaded pieces.
                      So if you thread through the bobbin then through the baseplate, looks like an area to cause microphonics.
                      Thats why you always drill out the flatwork on a tele bridge pickup, and just thread the screws into the copper baseplate.
                      If you don't drill out the tele flatwork, your asking for trouble.
                      So don't know how this Saga will turn out!
                      T
                      "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
                      Terry

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                      • #26
                        Hey fellas. I'm far from a seasoned veteran of pickup building, but I just put together 6 humbuckers using these new baseplates and keepers (with Mojo butyrate bobbins, and Dennis's poll screws) and everything went together without issue. I just threaded the poll screws into and past the bobbin to the bottom of the keeper, put the bobbin/screws/keeper assembly over the baseplate and finished threading the screws through, starting with the center, then edges, then the rest so it was even pressure. I don't think it really took any longer than it takes me to put together one without threaded baseplates. I just put my screws in with a hand drill though, I haven't made a jig yet.

                        I did have to troubleshoot an intermittent screw coil on one, but I just left it on the baseplate while I did so. No big deal.

                        I can't report on any sonic differences yet as I've not tested the pickups in a guitar yet. I like to let them sit a few days first.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ReWind View Post
                          I can't report on any sonic differences yet as I've not tested the pickups in a guitar yet. I like to let them sit a few days first.
                          Sounds good.
                          Does the letting the sit for a while, give them that Aged sound sorta like a fine aged Wine?
                          Glad they fit together OK.
                          T
                          "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
                          Terry

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                          • #28
                            Haha! My pickups are more like moonshine than a fine wine, but I'm getting them to where I'm really happy lately.

                            So no, not an aged sound, but I find that they brighten up a bit after a few days. What a pain that was to figure out! I dismissed a number of my early pickups as being a sloppy wind or a bad match for the guitar when they sounded too dark, initially. To my surprise a few days later the ones I didn't destroy sounded much more clear than my initial tests.

                            Low and behold - I search here and find that that's actually not uncommon.

                            I'll try to make a comparison with the new Addiction FX parts soon. I do have some pickups that are identical, other than using StewMac baseplates and Mojo keepers, so it should be a fair comparison.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Possum View Post
                              I bet the pole holes are metric threaded
                              The ones I received are standard thread.

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                              • #30
                                interesting...didn't know they got into selling new parts..i'm impressed.
                                www.guitarforcepickups.com

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