something that grinds my gears

[David Schwab]

I have seen alot of specs where the turn counts were wrong or the wire gauge was wrong, wire insulation type wrong, wrong magnet type and maybe possibly the wrong specs attached to the wrong pickup- hard to say sometimes. I looked for one in particular that was up on the net for years- vintage fender pickup specs where most of the steel guitar pickups were way off. Couldnt find it though, maybe it was taken down. i would be cautious of the source even if its in a book if it matters. Seymours company will have plenty of good specs

There have been recent "vintage correct" Jazz bass pickups on the market wound with heavy formvar, and another with 43 gauge wire. I don't know where they got the idea that those are vintage correct, but the end user doesn't seem to notice or care. Seems lots of people think all old Fender pickups were heavy formvar, etc.

[jonson]

There have been recent "vintage correct" Jazz bass pickups on the market wound with heavy formvar, and another with 43 gauge wire. I don't know where they got the idea that those are vintage correct, but the end user doesn't seem to notice or care. Seems lots of people think all old Fender pickups were heavy formvar, etc.

And it seems like a lot of people including Rob get their specs from the guy at provide net guitars. He who states early tele pick-ups were formvar and apparantly got that info from Seymour. As Jason said don't believe anything you read unless it is prooved correct.. When you look at the pics of the old fender hand winder there is tape over the last 2 didgets on the counter so was that to get the nearest turns count and not to get the winders to try to be spot on accurate and waste time and, why with all his money did Leo at the start of G&L go back to hand winding. I should have asked him and didn't. Did machine winding for him only come in because demand didn't allow time to hand wind. I hope I havn't started a which is better thread here again.

[Beef Coon]

Would you mind sharing where you got the info about G&L hand winding - thanks.

[jonson]

Would you mind sharing where you got the info about G&L hand winding - thanks.

Here. G&L Guitars

[jonson]

This was another interesting look.. G&L Guitars

[jason lollar]

yeah telecasters with formvar!!!! I dont think seymour came up with that- another thing you dont typically think when you are reading a book that there could be a misprint or unintended error that got passed over during editing- been there seen that. You can have several people proof read something several times and still miss something

[jonson]

Unfortunately Jason he's got jazzmasters, jazz bass, precision bass and more with formvar and states he got the info from Seymour but as you say I doubt it. He has had years to edit but never has and it must have thrown a lot of guys in the wrong direction.

[big_teee]

Unfortunately Jason he's got jazzmasters, jazz bass, precision bass and more with formvar and states he got the info from Seymour but as you say I doubt it. He has had years to edit but never has and it must have thrown a lot of guys in the wrong direction.

Any winder that is worth his salt, will only use reference material for ballpark info.
Winders should always try different wires to get the tone you like.
Unless you're strictly doing vintage winds, I use SPN, HPN for everything but rewinds.
I rewound a J-Bass set with HFV per request, and the customer loved them.
YMMV,
T

[Telemachos]

Unfortunately Jason he's got jazzmasters, jazz bass, precision bass and more with formvar and states he got the info from Seymour but as you say I doubt it. He has had years to edit but never has and it must have thrown a lot of guys in the wrong direction.

The good thing about it is that you can tell the fakers apart from the originals. I've seen a lot of socall "original" black guards and stuff that really made you drool over'em without any questionable detail under your eagle eye. But the PU were wound w. HFwar.....

[Telemachos]

..........I rewound a J-Bass set with HFV per request, and the customer loved them.
YMMV,
T

Did the same thing and the guy was positively overwhelmed.

[jonson]

Unfortunate but that is where some of the confusion starts as the odd origional will crop up "rarely" with hf as a wire but still not the norm which is where the research comes in.

[Telemachos]

Almost all claimed orig. Broad-, No-, Champion Steel and Telecaster PU I've been presented by customers were wound w. HFW. I remain puzzled and tend to think that they must have been either rewound at some time or being simply fake. I dunno.

[rhgwynn]

This is the reference I use the most, any comments on it would certainly be appreciated:
Pickups specifications, Fender , Gibson, etc..

[Telemachos]

Thanks

[jonson]

This is the reference I use the most, any comments on it would certainly be appreciated:
Pickups specifications, Fender , Gibson, etc..

Good reference allthough I'd swop the carbon steel Charlie Christian mags for cobalt steel and would still drag the early Jazzmasters in as PE. Steven does say on early Fenders there are exceptipns and very right too.