help! soldering coil wire + lead wires

[Biarnel]

...I think I wasted 8 coils now, so maybe it's better if I ask you some questions.

In short: how do you solder lead wires to coil wire?
how do you stop the lead wire in place, so that you can't pull it out from the coil, disconneting the coil wire?

I usually stick the lead wire 5mm inside the bobbin and secure it in place with a drop of cyanoacrylate on the flatwork. Then I solder the coil wire to the exposed ends of the lead wire.
I think it's too weak... and a couple of pickups failed that way.

I don't want to put an order on stewmac only for the eyelets..

Suggestions welcome.

[corduroyew]

I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are doing. What kind of pickups are you making?

[Biarnel]

I'm making bass pickups, single coil, dual coil, j-style, p-style, humbuckers.. but it doesn't matter:I'll have the same problem with guitar pickups.
I just don't know how to make a solid connection between coil wire and lead wires.

[Stan H]

On a humbucker I strip about 1/8" of the pigtail and tin it. I then wrap 7 or 8 turns of coil wire around the tinned wire and solder. I tape it in place with paper tape. With single coils I use eyelets. So far no problems...

[black_labb]

i must say i havent done it yet, and i am just going to leave alot of extra wire incase i doesnt work too wellfirst few goes. i am thinking ill either wind a bit of the coil wire around the end of a lead and then make a loop out of it, and then solder that hole. (thats after sanding the insulation from it)

either that or make my own little eyelets by drilling small holes into a piece of copper sheet (or another metal that solders well) and use one hole for the coil wire, and the second hole for the leads. once their soldered and cooled i was going to superglue that to somewhere out of the way in the coil.

[Spence]

Loop the coil wire through the eyelets about four or five times. Some insulations are solderable. If not sand it off with a fine wet and dry paper. then just solder the eyelet. Then you can push your hookup cable into the eyelet whilst applying more heat.

[David Schwab]

I wind on flatwork made from perf board, so I poke the coil wire through one of the holes and tape it to the top of the bobbin while I'm winding.
Then I solder it to the lead wire and tape it up. I secure that with holt melt glue. I use small "flea clip" terminals on the bobbin, and solder the lead wires to those. Then I solder my 4 conductor wires to the flea clips.

I have broken a LOT of coil wires though...

[Biarnel]

Now, there is something I really need to know.

While I've became pretty good at soldering lead wires in bass pickups, and guitar pickups with eyelets, I really can't figure out where to put & wrap lead wires in guitar humbuckers.
I have stewmac's kits, so I will quote their free info:

Poke approximately 1" of the black wire through the “square in a circle hole” on the bottom of the bobbin — from the inside of the bobbin out through the bottom (the bottom of the bobbin has four round mold marks). Kink the black wire so that it lays against the bottom of the inside of the bobbin.

..what?!?
They say to keep 1" of lead wire inside the bobbin, then start winding: that way, subsequent turns of coil wire will go over the soldering between lead and coil wire, over the lead wire itself... causing an awful bulge, loss of tension, etc etc.
What should I do?
Could anybody post a nice pic or a drawing of this obscure process?

[clintronics]

Coating

there's a coating on the wire use super fine sand paper to remove it

[Biarnel]

No, clintronics, it's not the insulation. Use Linear View insted of Threaded View and read all the posts in this thread

[David Schwab]

They say to keep 1" of lead wire inside the bobbin, then start winding: that way, subsequent turns of coil wire will go over the soldering between lead and coil wire, over the lead wire itself... causing an awful bulge, loss of tension, etc etc.

I could never get that to work. I ended up soldering my lead wires, and just taping them to the coil. After I taped the coil up I ran them out under the tape.

I got that idea looking at some generic humbuckers I had.

[Biarnel]

Now it's my turn to have an hard time visualizing what you're saying... any pics?